What is death? Is it the absence of life?

@Pancho Frijoles and every JW denies this as well. But not all Unitarians deny the resurrection
Well, since the Immams don't believe this-Islam and all the various offshoots and Orthodox Judaism-

1Co 15:1 Paul’s Gospel and the Resurrection of Christ
Now I make known to you, brothers, the gospel which I proclaimed to you, which you have also received, in which you also stand,
1Co 15:2 by which you are also being saved, if you hold fast to the message I proclaimed to you, unless you believed to no purpose.
1Co 15:3 For I passed on to you as of first importance [Literally “among the first things”] what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures,
1Co 15:4 and that he was buried, and that he was raised up on the third day according to the scriptures,
1Co 15:5 and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve,
1Co 15:6 then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at once, the majority of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep.
1Co 15:7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles,
1Co 15:8 and last of all, as it were to one born at the wrong time, he appeared also to me.
1Co 15:9 For I am the least of the apostles, not worthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
1Co 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me has not been in vain, but I labored even more than all of them, and not I, but the grace of God with me.
1Co 15:11 Therefore whether I or those, in this way we preached, and in this way you believed.
The Resurrection of the Dead
1Co 15:12 Concerning the Resurrection of the Dead
Now if Christ is preached as raised up from the dead, how do some among you say that (+) there is no resurrection of the dead?
1Co 15:13 But if (+) there is no resurrection of the dead, Christ has not been raised (+) either.
1Co 15:14 But if Christ has not been raised, then both our preaching (+) is in vain, and your faith (+) is in vain.
1Co 15:15 And also we are found (+) to be false witnesses of God, because we testified against God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if after all, then, the dead are not raised.
1Co 15:16 For if the dead are not raised, Christ has not been raised (+) either.
1Co 15:17 But if Christ has not been raised, your faith (+) is empty; you are still in your sins.
1Co 15:18 And as a further result, those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.
1Co 15:19 If we have put our hope [Literally “we are having put our hope”] in Christ in this life only, we are of all people most pitiable.
1Co 15:20 But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep.
1Co 15:21 For since through a man (+) came death, also through a man (+) came the resurrection of the dead.
1Co 15:22 For just as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But each in his own group: Christ the first fruits, then those (+) who are Christ’s at his coming,
1Co 15:24 then the end, when he hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when he has abolished all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For it is necessary for him to reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy to be abolished (+) is death.
1Co 15:27 For “he subjected all (+) things under his feet.” [A quotation from Ps 8:6] But when it says “all (+) things” are subjected, (+) it is clear that the one who subjected all (+) things to him (+) is not included.
1Co 15:28 But whenever all (+) things are subjected to him, then the Son himself also will be subjected to the one who subjected all (+) things to him, in order that God may be all in all.
1Co 15:29 Otherwise, why do they do (+) it, those who are being baptized on behalf of the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why indeed are they being baptized on behalf of them?
1Co 15:30 And why are we in danger every hour?
1Co 15:31 I die every day—yes indeed, by my boasting in you, brothers, which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord!
1Co 15:32 If according to a human perspective I fought wild beasts at Ephesus, what benefit (+) is it to me? If the dead are not raised, let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die. [An allusion to Isa 22:13; 56:12]
1Co 15:33 Do not be deceived! “Bad company corrupts good morals.” [A quotation from the Greek poet Menander’s comedy Thais, 218]
1Co 15:34 Sober up correctly and stop sinning [Literally “do not sin”] , for some have no knowledge of God—I say (+) this to your shame.
The Resurrection Body
1Co 15:35 Questions Concerning the Resurrection Body
But someone will say, “How are the dead raised? And with what sort of body do they come?”
1Co 15:36 Foolish person! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies.
1Co 15:37 And what you sow (+) is not the body which it will become, but you sow the bare seed, whether perhaps of wheat or of some of the rest.
1Co 15:38 But God gives to it a body just as he wishes, and to each one of the seeds its own body.
1Co 15:39 Not all flesh (+) is the same, but (+) there is one flesh of human beings, and another flesh of animals, and another flesh of birds, and another of fish,
1Co 15:40 and heavenly bodies and earthly bodies. But the glory of the heavenly (+) bodies(+) is of one kind, and the (+) glory of the earthly (+) bodies(+) is of another kind.
1Co 15:41 (+) There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars, for star differs from star in glory.
1Co 15:42 Thus also (+) is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruptibility.
1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power.
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If (+) there is a natural body, (+) there is also a spiritual (+) body.
1Co 15:45 Thus also it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living soul”; [A quotation from Gen 2:7] the last Adam (+) became a life-giving spirit.
1Co 15:46 But the spiritual (+) is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual.
1Co 15:47 The first man (+) is from the earth, made of earth; the second man (+) is from heaven.
1Co 15:48 As the one (+) who is made of earth, so also (+) are those (+) who are made of earth, and as the heavenly, so also (+) are those (+) who are heavenly.
1Co 15:49 And just as we have borne the image of the (+) one who is made of earth, we will also bear the image of the heavenly.

My question would be-how then can that person be saved, or claim to be saved?

J.
 
Well, since the Immams don't believe this-Islam and all the various offshoots and Orthodox Judaism-

1Co 15:1 Paul’s Gospel and the Resurrection of Christ
Now I make known to you, brothers, the gospel which I proclaimed to you, which you have also received, in which you also stand,
1Co 15:2 by which you are also being saved, if you hold fast to the message I proclaimed to you, unless you believed to no purpose.
1Co 15:3 For I passed on to you as of first importance [Literally “among the first things”] what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures,
1Co 15:4 and that he was buried, and that he was raised up on the third day according to the scriptures,
1Co 15:5 and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve,
1Co 15:6 then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at once, the majority of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep.
1Co 15:7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles,
1Co 15:8 and last of all, as it were to one born at the wrong time, he appeared also to me.
1Co 15:9 For I am the least of the apostles, not worthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
1Co 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me has not been in vain, but I labored even more than all of them, and not I, but the grace of God with me.
1Co 15:11 Therefore whether I or those, in this way we preached, and in this way you believed.
The Resurrection of the Dead
1Co 15:12 Concerning the Resurrection of the Dead
Now if Christ is preached as raised up from the dead, how do some among you say that (+) there is no resurrection of the dead?
1Co 15:13 But if (+) there is no resurrection of the dead, Christ has not been raised (+) either.
1Co 15:14 But if Christ has not been raised, then both our preaching (+) is in vain, and your faith (+) is in vain.
1Co 15:15 And also we are found (+) to be false witnesses of God, because we testified against God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if after all, then, the dead are not raised.
1Co 15:16 For if the dead are not raised, Christ has not been raised (+) either.
1Co 15:17 But if Christ has not been raised, your faith (+) is empty; you are still in your sins.
1Co 15:18 And as a further result, those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.
1Co 15:19 If we have put our hope [Literally “we are having put our hope”] in Christ in this life only, we are of all people most pitiable.
1Co 15:20 But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep.
1Co 15:21 For since through a man (+) came death, also through a man (+) came the resurrection of the dead.
1Co 15:22 For just as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But each in his own group: Christ the first fruits, then those (+) who are Christ’s at his coming,
1Co 15:24 then the end, when he hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when he has abolished all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For it is necessary for him to reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy to be abolished (+) is death.
1Co 15:27 For “he subjected all (+) things under his feet.” [A quotation from Ps 8:6] But when it says “all (+) things” are subjected, (+) it is clear that the one who subjected all (+) things to him (+) is not included.
1Co 15:28 But whenever all (+) things are subjected to him, then the Son himself also will be subjected to the one who subjected all (+) things to him, in order that God may be all in all.
1Co 15:29 Otherwise, why do they do (+) it, those who are being baptized on behalf of the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why indeed are they being baptized on behalf of them?
1Co 15:30 And why are we in danger every hour?
1Co 15:31 I die every day—yes indeed, by my boasting in you, brothers, which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord!
1Co 15:32 If according to a human perspective I fought wild beasts at Ephesus, what benefit (+) is it to me? If the dead are not raised, let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die. [An allusion to Isa 22:13; 56:12]
1Co 15:33 Do not be deceived! “Bad company corrupts good morals.” [A quotation from the Greek poet Menander’s comedy Thais, 218]
1Co 15:34 Sober up correctly and stop sinning [Literally “do not sin”] , for some have no knowledge of God—I say (+) this to your shame.
The Resurrection Body
1Co 15:35 Questions Concerning the Resurrection Body
But someone will say, “How are the dead raised? And with what sort of body do they come?”
1Co 15:36 Foolish person! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies.
1Co 15:37 And what you sow (+) is not the body which it will become, but you sow the bare seed, whether perhaps of wheat or of some of the rest.
1Co 15:38 But God gives to it a body just as he wishes, and to each one of the seeds its own body.
1Co 15:39 Not all flesh (+) is the same, but (+) there is one flesh of human beings, and another flesh of animals, and another flesh of birds, and another of fish,
1Co 15:40 and heavenly bodies and earthly bodies. But the glory of the heavenly (+) bodies(+) is of one kind, and the (+) glory of the earthly (+) bodies(+) is of another kind.
1Co 15:41 (+) There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars, for star differs from star in glory.
1Co 15:42 Thus also (+) is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruptibility.
1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power.
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If (+) there is a natural body, (+) there is also a spiritual (+) body.
1Co 15:45 Thus also it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living soul”; [A quotation from Gen 2:7] the last Adam (+) became a life-giving spirit.
1Co 15:46 But the spiritual (+) is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual.
1Co 15:47 The first man (+) is from the earth, made of earth; the second man (+) is from heaven.
1Co 15:48 As the one (+) who is made of earth, so also (+) are those (+) who are made of earth, and as the heavenly, so also (+) are those (+) who are heavenly.
1Co 15:49 And just as we have borne the image of the (+) one who is made of earth, we will also bear the image of the heavenly.

My question would be-how then can that person be saved, or claim to be saved?

J.
Not according to our Bible and the teaching of Jesus and the Apostles. Some have a different authority and how they establish truth claims than we do brother
 
But Jesus rose from the dead with the same body that was buried in the tomb. They touched His side, His hands and His feet that still had the marks from His crucifixion. Thomas would not believe until he saw Him, touched Him then confessed Christ was his Lord, his God and the disciples then worshipped Him.

The resurrection is the centerpiece of the New Testament and the core teaching of the gospel. The disciples all preached Jesus whom was crucified God hath raised from the dead.

hope this helps !!!
His pre-crucifixion form was fully human and, thus, He opened the door to enter a room. He walked from town to town, covering many miles at a human pace. After the crucifixion, Christ’s body was different in some respects. Christ could walk through walls, appear and disappear suddenly.
 
His pre-crucifixion form was fully human and, thus, He opened the door to enter a room. He walked from town to town, covering many miles at a human pace. After the crucifixion, Christ’s body was different in some respects. Christ could walk through walls, appear and disappear suddenly.
Just to be precise the Bible does not say He walked through walls, that’s an assumption being made from the text.But yes He suddenly appears and disappears. :) But so did Philip after baptizing the Enoch in Acts :) he disappears then appears in another city
 
Does the wikipedia state that?
No. It does not.

It says it s a monotheistic religion. Yours is a monotheistic religion as well. Judaism, Christianism, Islam, Zoroastrianism, Sikhism are all monotheistic religions, and not “cults trying to deceive people”.
If you are interested, there is a thread dedicated to know what this religion is all about.
The topic in this thread is death.
Christianity was born out of Judaism. Both faiths are not cults or a false religion. False religions like yours are man based and created to give people a false hope of a better after life. True religions or faiths are God centered and based on his infallible Word the Bible for redemption of humanity through the saving grace and blood of Yeshua Hamashiach or Jesus Christ.
Your religion fails in that regard, so it is a false religion and/or cult. Besides your religion is humanistic in nature and does not deal with the remission of sins through the shed blood of Yeshua.
Shabbat Shalom
 
Just to be precise the Bible does not say He walked through walls, that’s an assumption being made from the text.But yes He suddenly appears and disappears. :) But so did Philip after baptizing the Enoch in Acts :) he disappears then appears in another city
The concept of Jesus walking through walls is a topic of discussion and interpretation among scholars. This idea is often associated with the resurrected Jesus appearing to his disciples in a locked room, as described in the Gospel of John (John 20:19-20 . However, the text does not explicitly state that Jesus passed through the walls or doors; it only mentions his sudden appearance in the room.

It's often interpreted as a miraculous event, symbolizing Jesus' resurrected and glorified body's ability to transcend physical barriers. This idea is a subject of theological discussion and interpretation within Christian faith.
 
Does the wikipedia state that?
No. It does not.

It says it s a monotheistic religion. Yours is a monotheistic religion as well. Judaism, Christianism, Islam, Zoroastrianism, Sikhism are all monotheistic religions, and not “cults trying to deceive people”.
If you are interested, there is a thread dedicated to know what this religion is all about.
The topic in this thread is death.
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Bicentenary Celeberation reveals some shocking info
The Bahais worldwide celebrated the 200th anniversary of Baha’u’llah’s birth on the 21st and 22nd of October 2017. A notable feature of the last bicentenary was the number of tributes to Baha’u’llah and messages of congratulation issued by dignitaries and prominent members of society, such responses are customarily by any head of states in response to invitations they had received .
The Bahais as usual having lost any acceptance in the society are elated by such responses, as if the whole purpose of bicentenary celebrations was to receive the responses. The UHJ was quick to commission both a film and a dedicated website for the occasion!

A very notable outcome of this bicentenary celebration was the News media that revealed the relationship of Abbas Effendi with the then British empire. Many news channels broadcasted that Abdul Baha was saved by the British army, another media reported that he was saved by British secret service. The unprejudiced and sincere Bahais were shocked to hear from non Bahai News channel and they started questioning what a ‘Faith’ has to do with the secret service of Imperialistic Nation.This was the first time that non Iranian news channel and news broadcaster have thrown light on Bahai-Britain relationships. These Bahais were fearful to put their question to the Bahai Administration as they feared sanction.


MORE UNEXPLAINED FACTS

1- British forces ensured the safety of Abdul Baha

On 23 September 1918, in what is believed to be one of the last cavalry charges in modern military history, Indian soldiers carried out an attack that allowed British forces to capture Haifa from the Ottoman Empire.As they did so, they also ensured the safety of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá who was the son of Bahá’u’lláh, the founder of the Baha’i faith.

At the time, Major Wellesley Tudor Pole, one of the officers serving with General Allenby and an early British Baha’i, feared for the safety of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá and his family and made a case to General Allenby that they should be protected.”

2-After the Victory British forces Sought interview with Abdul Baha

“It was under these circumstances that the dramatic Battle of Haifa unfolded, during which two regiments of Indian cavalry soldiers played a critical role in capturing the city from the well-entrenched Turkish and German soldiers.”

“After the victory, large numbers of soldiers and government officials of all ranks sought interviews with ‘Abdu’l-Bahá”

3-Bahaullah and Abdul Baha purchase lands in villages which was depopulated by Israelis ana later Shoghi effendi sold to Jewish National fund.

On May 14, 1948, the Arab village of al-Nuqayb, where ‘Abdu’l-Bahá had owned land and grown grain, was depopulated in the fighting which broke out after the U.N. General Assembly’s adoption on November 29, 1947 of the Partition Plan for Palestine.

Al-Nuqayb (transliterated as Nughayb in the Bahá’í orthography) is mentioned in Lady Blomfield’s The Chosen Highway, in the sectioned titled Bahá’í Villages.

Abdul Baha bought from time to time some land in various villages. Asfiya and Daliya, near Haifa–these two properties He bestowed upon Diya’u’llah and Badi’u’llah, the two younger half-brothers, at the request of Bahá’u’lláh.

Land was also acquired in the villages of Samrih, Nughayb, and ‘Adasiyyih, situated near the Jordan.

In his book All That Remains: The Palestinian Villages Occupied and Depopulated by Israel in 1948, the historian Walid Khalidi details the history of many of these Palestinian villages and how they were depopulated. For example, he notes that in the 1880s most of the village land of al-Nuqayb was purchased by Bahá’u’lláh, with the villagers continuing to farm as tenant farmers. In the 1920s, this land was sold by Shoghi Effendi to the Jewish National Fund.

4- Abdul Baha supplied The corn produced by in these farms to British army.

Bahá’í Villages in The Chosen Highway chronicles in some detail how ‘Abdu’l-Bahá used the grain he had grown in these villages to supply the British Army during World War I.

We learned that when the British marched into Haifa there was some difficulty about the commissariat. The officer in command went to consult the Master.

“I have corn,” was the reply.

“But for the army?” said the astonished soldier.

“I have corn for the British Army,” said ‘Abdu’l-Bahá.

5- Abdul Baha was Knighted by British Government for his valuable services

He truly walked the Mystic way with practical feet. [footnote: Lady Blomfield often recounted how the corn pits proved a safe hiding-place for the corn, during the occupation of the Turkish army. -Ed.]

According to Harry Charles Luke, an official in the British Colonial Office who served as assistant Governor of Jerusalem,

Sir ‘Abbas Effendi ‘Abdu’l Baha had travelled extensively in Europe and America to expound his doctrines, and on the 4th December, 1919, was created by King George V a K.B.E. for valuable services rendered to the British Government in the early days of the Occupation.

On April 27, 1920, ‘Abdu’l-Bahá was ceremonially knighted, an event which was prominently reported in the Bahá’í periodical Star of the West.

6- King George sent a Medal to Abdul Baha with the title “SIR”

THE following beautiful description of this event was written by Dr. Zia M. Bagdadi who was at that time in Haifa: “Among the kings and governments of the world who have become convinced that Abdul Bahá was the well-wisher and the lover of mankind are King George and his government. The King sent a medal to Abdul Bahá with the title, “Sir”, thus making him a member of his household. On the 27th of April, 1920, the Governor and high officials of Haifa, Palestine presented in a beautiful garden a most wonderful celebration for the knighting of Abdul Baha. Bahai pilgrims from Persia, America and all parts of the world were present. Mohammedan, Christian, Jewish leaders, clergymen, notables and local officials from Haifa, Acca and other towns attended. A tent was pitched in the center of the garden. English troops stood on both sides, from the gate of the garden to the center where Abdul Bahá was seated. The military music added wonderful melody to the rustling leaves of the beautiful trees. The breezes of the spring on that sunny afternoon imparted a remarkable vigor to the physical body just as the presence of Abdul Baha strengthened the souls. The Governor stood behind Abdul Bahá and, after a short speech, interpreted by Mr. Wadie Bistani, presented the medal. Then Abdul Baha, rising from his seat, gave a brief talk and a prayer for the British government.

7-Abdul Baha hosted a member of Rothschilds who were leading financier of Zionist movement in occupation of Palestine.

On February 23, 1914, at the eve of World War I, ‘Abdu’l-Bahá had hosted Baron Edmond James de Rothschild, a member of the Rothschild banking family who was a leading advocate and financier of the Zionist movement, during one of his early trips to Palestine.

8-Abdul Baha praised the Zionist movement and welcomed Zionist occupation of Palestine

On September 8, 1919, subsequent to the British occupation of Palestine, at a time when tens of thousands of Jewish settlers were arriving under the auspices of the Palestine Jewish Colonization Association, an article in the “Star of the West” quoted ‘Abdu’l-Bahá praising the Zionist movement, proclaiming that “There is too much talk today of what the Zionists are going to do here. There is no need of it. Let them come and do more and say less” and that “A Jewish government might come later.”

9-Shoghi Effendi also had close relation with Zionist leaders

At the time of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá ‘s death, Shoghi Effendi was matriculated at Balliol College. In a letter to Marzieh Gail, Shoghi Effendi outlined his educational ambitions at Balliol College, specifically to study with eminent professors and Orientalists, noting alumni who were all Imperialists.

After ‘Abdu’l-Bahá ‘s death, Shoghi Effendi would continue to have close relations with the leading political administrators and prominent Zionist leaders. For example, on January 24, 1922, Shoghi Effendi received a letter from Herbert Samuel, the British High Commissioner for Palestine. The receipt of the letter is mentioned in Amatu’l-Bahá Rúhíyyih Khánum’s The Priceless Pearl. As High Commissioner, Herbert Samuel was the first Jew to govern the historic land of Israel in 2,000 years, and his appointment was regarded by the Muslim-Christian Associations as the “first step in formation of Zionist national home in the midst of Arab people.” Herbert Samuel welcomed the arrival of Jewish settlers under the auspices of the Palestine Jewish Colonization Association and recognised Hebrew as one of the three official languages of the Mandate territory.

While Shoghi Effendi was thus occupied and was gathering his powers and beginning to write letters such as these to the Bahá’ís in different countries, he received the following letter from the High Commissioner for Palestine, Sir Herbert Samuel, dated 24 January 1922:

Dear Mr. Rabbani,

I have to acknowledge receipt of your letter of Jan. 16., and to thank you for the kind expression it contains. It would be unfortunate if the ever to be lamented death of Sir ‘Abdu’l-Bahá were to interfere with the completion of your Oxford career, and I hope that may not be the case. I am much interested to learn of the measures that have been taken to provide for the stable organization of the Bahá’í Movement. Should you be at any time in Jerusalem in would be a pleasure to me to see you here.

The Baha’i Administration is going to have a second centenary celebration next year and that is of Bab, we should be prepared to receive more unexplained Bahai relations with different Nations which will shake the belief of many more Baha’is all over the world.

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Thomas Robinson on November 3, 2019 at 3:00 pm
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For someone who has left the Baha’í Faith you certainly seem incredibly obsessed with it and unable to move on rather like an ex-wife or husband who after a divorce are still preoccupied with their former spouse and continue to hate and vilify them even decades later. Nonetheless, I would like to thank you very much for unwittingly doing God’s work in spreading the word Baha’í all over the internet! Many of those who come across your website will also then visit more objective sources out of curiosity and discover the truth for themselves and embrace the Faith. This would not otherwise have been possible without your website! I could give you many examples based on knowledge I and other Bahai’s have gleaned of how websites, books, articles, and other written and spoken media have helped engender the growth of the Faith in various countries and throughout the world. Keep posting and I wish you all the very best!

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You have no idea of the number of people who visited my web site and then learnt of the true nature of the Bahai Faith. And these are only people who wrote in to me. I am sure there are several others like them.

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Does the wikipedia state that?
No. It does not.

It says it s a monotheistic religion. Yours is a monotheistic religion as well. Judaism, Christianism, Islam, Zoroastrianism, Sikhism are all monotheistic religions, and not “cults trying to deceive people”.
If you are interested, there is a thread dedicated to know what this religion is all about.
The topic in this thread is death.
I found this person's experience with your false religion on the Internet.

Why I Left The Bahai Faith
I was a Baha’i for about thirty years prior to the year 2000. We were led to believe that “entry by troops” and the “lesser peace” would happen by the year 2000, meaning that there would be a political peace in the world, and many, many thousands of people would be lining up to join the Baha’i religion…. and in fact, we were encouraged to donate to the building of the Baha’i World Center buildings in Haifa, Israel, because the buildings would be needed to handle the “entry by troops” that was about to happen.

Well, the year 2000 rolled around without any sign of mass conversions, and I finally realized that the people of the world weren’t likely to ever convert to Baha’i ‘en masse’ because it is a repressive, guilt-tripping religion with many laws most people are not interested in signing up to follow. I weaned myself off the Baha’i belief system. It took over ten years to recover from the brainwashing I’d been through.

The Baha’i religion is very paranoid and fearful about their reputation because they want people to join the religion. Unfortunately for them, the internet was invented and knowledge of their imperfection has spread. They even have a “protection” arm of the religion with people appointed to go to communities to warn them about outsiders (mainly former Baha’is) who are dangerous to the religion. Baha’is were encouraged to avoid reading anything they wrote and instructed to entirely shun them. This is only one of many aspects of “information control” – a well-known sign of cult mind control, per many websites and books that expose cult methodology.

The list of principles of the Baha’i religion is a carefully crafted marketing plan to make the religion appeal to people in western countries such as the USA and Europe. Not everything they say is realistic, good, or in line even with the statements of their founders. For example, they have the principle of the equality of men and women but have different inheritance laws for each and don’t allow women on the House of Justice (governing body) … and they say they have a principle of the unity of religions but that doesn’t mean that they respect people of all religions so much as it means that people of all religions can join Baha’i, give up their own religion, and then be united as a Baha’i community.

Baha’is want to say they are “the most wide-spread religion” so they force members in the USA (not sure about other countries) to have a “community” in each and every locality even if it is only two people… for example, say there are 11 people living in a city and 9 people living just outside the city limits. The 9 people living outside the city limits have to form their own “community” and must hold their “19 Day Feast” meetings separately from the 11 people living within the city limits. This is utterly ridiculous, but this way the national Baha’i center can count that as 2 communities or localities where Baha’is reside, rather than just one.

I could go on all day… writing about stupid things about the Baha’i religion. I’m so glad I made that mental break from the religion 18 years ago!
 
Before His resurrection Jesus could heal from a distance.

Jesus Heals a Centurion's Servant​

7 After he had finished all his sayings in the hearing of the people, he entered Capernaum. 2 Now a centurion had a servant[a] who was sick and at the point of death, who was highly valued by him. 3 When the centurion[b] heard about Jesus, he sent to him elders of the Jews, asking him to come and heal his servant. 4 And when they came to Jesus, they pleaded with him earnestly, saying, “He is worthy to have you do this for him, 5 for he loves our nation, and he is the one who built us our synagogue.” 6 And Jesus went with them. When he was not far from the house, the centurion sent friends, saying to him, “Lord, do not trouble yourself, for I am not worthy to have you come under my roof. 7 Therefore I did not presume to come to you. But say the word, and let my servant be healed. 8 For I too am a man set under authority, with soldiers under me: and I say to one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and to another, ‘Come,’ and he comes; and to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.” 9 When Jesus heard these things, he marveled at him, and turning to the crowd that followed him, said, “I tell you, not even in Israel have I found such faith.” 10 And when those who had been sent returned to the house, they found the servant well.

Luke 7:1-10​

 
I could go on all day… writing about stupid things about the Baha’i religion. I’m so glad I made that mental break from the religion 18 years ago!
Hi David

This thread is not about the Baha'i faith.
I explained that I am not Christian, but Baha'i, in order to give our readers with transparency the framework from which I share my personal opinion on the topic in question in this thread.
The topic in question in this thread is not the Baha'i Faith, but death.
Our @Administrator has open a thread where information about this religion can be shared.
I invite you to keep focused on what we are discussing.
 
Before His resurrection Jesus could heal from a distance.

Jesus Heals a Centurion's Servant​

7 After he had finished all his sayings in the hearing of the people, he entered Capernaum. 2 Now a centurion had a servant[a] who was sick and at the point of death, who was highly valued by him. 3 When the centurion[b] heard about Jesus, he sent to him elders of the Jews, asking him to come and heal his servant. 4 And when they came to Jesus, they pleaded with him earnestly, saying, “He is worthy to have you do this for him, 5 for he loves our nation, and he is the one who built us our synagogue.” 6 And Jesus went with them. When he was not far from the house, the centurion sent friends, saying to him, “Lord, do not trouble yourself, for I am not worthy to have you come under my roof. 7 Therefore I did not presume to come to you. But say the word, and let my servant be healed. 8 For I too am a man set under authority, with soldiers under me: and I say to one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and to another, ‘Come,’ and he comes; and to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.” 9 When Jesus heard these things, he marveled at him, and turning to the crowd that followed him, said, “I tell you, not even in Israel have I found such faith.” 10 And when those who had been sent returned to the house, they found the servant well.

Luke 7:1-10​

Welcome aboard Duane.

Jesus could also walk on water and as we know so could Peter till he took his eyes off Jesus.
 
Hi David

This thread is not about the Baha'i faith.
I explained that I am not Christian, but Baha'i, in order to give our readers with transparency the source of my personal opinion or understanding of the topic in question in this thread
The topic in question in this thread is not the Baha'i Faith, but death.
Our @Administrator has open a thread where information about this religion can be shared.
I invite you to keep focused on what we are discussing.
Unfortunately, I do not need to give a false religion like Baha'i my precious time in conversation to give the false perception that Baha'i is a revelant and true religion, which it is NOT. It's basically a man made progressive humanistic cult that denies salvation through Yeshua and Adonai's Word the Bible.
Shabbat Shalom
 
Unfortunately, I do not need to give a false religion like Baha'i my precious time in conversation to give the false perception that Baha'i is a revelant and true religion, which it is NOT. It's basically a man made progressive humanistic cult that denies salvation through Yeshua and Adonai's Word the Bible.
Shabbat Shalom
It should be Shalom Achi.

J.
 
Hi David

This thread is not about the Baha'i faith.
I explained that I am not Christian, but Baha'i, in order to give our readers with transparency the framework from which I share my personal opinion on the topic in question in this thread.
The topic in question in this thread is not the Baha'i Faith, but death.
Our @Administrator has open a thread where information about this religion can be shared.
I invite you to keep focused on what we are discussing.
Right on. What is death?
 
Right on. What is death?
There are a lot of ways to answer that question.

The author of Ecclesiastes makes this declaration: “To everything there is a season, a time for every purpose under heaven: a time to be born, and a time to die”.
Ecclesiastes 3:1–2

Likewise the author of Hebrews says, “It is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment”.
Hebrews 9:27
 
I share the opinion expressed here by @Bob Carabbio

There is the biological death, which is not as important.
And then the spiritual death, which is what the gospel is all about.

Those spiritual dead live unaware of the causes of their suffering, and the solution at hand for that suffering. They live in the obscurity of the belly of a whale in the middle of the ocean, to use the analogy of Jonah.
The gospel is about the good news that God remembers us, love us, and can take us out of that death and make us live a new kind of life.
 
I share the opinion expressed here by @Bob Carabbio

There is the biological death, which is not as important.
And then the spiritual death, which is what the gospel is all about.

Those spiritual dead live unaware of the causes of their suffering, and the solution at hand for that suffering. They live in the obscurity of the belly of a whale in the middle of the ocean, to use the analogy of Jonah.
The gospel is about the good news that God remembers us, love us, and can take us out of that death and make us live a new kind of life.
1Co 15:1 Paul’s Gospel and the Resurrection of Christ
¶ Now I make known to you, brothers, the gospel which I proclaimed to you, which you have also received, in which you also stand,
1Co 15:2 by which you are also being saved, if you hold fast to the message I proclaimed to you, unless you believed to no purpose.
1Co 15:3 For I passed on to you as of first importance [Literally “among the first things ”] what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures,
1Co 15:4 and that he was buried, and that he was raised up on the third day according to the scriptures,
1Co 15:5 and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve,
1Co 15:6 then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at once, the majority of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep.
1Co 15:7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles,
1Co 15:8 and last of all, as it were to one born at the wrong time, he appeared also to me.
1Co 15:9 For I am the least of the apostles, not worthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
1Co 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me has not been in vain, but I labored even more than all of them, and not I, but the grace of God with me.
1Co 15:11 Therefore whether I or those, in this way we preached, and in this way you believed.

The Resurrection of the Dead
1Co 15:12 Concerning the Resurrection of the Dead
¶ Now if Christ is preached as raised up from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
1Co 15:13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, Christ has not been raised either .
1Co 15:14 But if Christ has not been raised, then [Some manuscripts have “then both”] our preaching is in vain, and your faith is in vain.
1Co 15:15 And also we are found to be false witnesses of God, because we testified against God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if after all, then, the dead are not raised.
1Co 15:16 For if the dead are not raised, Christ has not been raised either .
1Co 15:17 But if Christ has not been raised, your faith is empty; you are still in your sins.
1Co 15:18 And as a further result, those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.
1Co 15:19 If we have put our hope [Literally “we are having put our hope”] in Christ in this life only, we are of all people most pitiable.

1Co 15:20 ¶ But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep.
1Co 15:21 For since through a man came death, also through a man came the resurrection of the dead.
1Co 15:22 For just as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But each in his own group: Christ the first fruits, then those who are Christ’s at his coming,
1Co 15:24 then the end, when he hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when he has abolished all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For it is necessary for him to reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy to be abolished is death.
1Co 15:27 For “he subjected all things under his feet.” [A quotation from Ps 8:6] But when it says “all things ” are subjected, it is clear that the one who subjected all things to him is not included.
1Co 15:28 But whenever all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will be subjected [Some manuscripts have “also will be subjected”] to the one who subjected all things to him, in order that God may be all in all.

1Co 15:29 ¶ Otherwise, why do they do it , those who are being baptized on behalf of the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why indeed are they being baptized on behalf of them?
1Co 15:30 And why are we in danger every hour?
1Co 15:31 I die every day—yes indeed, by my boasting in you, [Some manuscripts have “in you, brothers,”] which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord!
1Co 15:32 If according to a human perspective I fought wild beasts at Ephesus, what benefit is it to me? If the dead are not raised, let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die. [An allusion to Isa 22:13; 56:12]
1Co 15:33 Do not be deceived! “Bad company corrupts good morals.” [A quotation from the Greek poet Menander’s comedy Thais , 218]
1Co 15:34 Sober up correctly and stop sinning [Literally “do not sin”], for some have no knowledge of God—I say this to your shame.

The Resurrection Body
1Co 15:35 Questions Concerning the Resurrection Body
¶ But someone will say, “How are the dead raised? And with what sort of body do they come?”
1Co 15:36 Foolish person! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies.
1Co 15:37 And what you sow is not the body which it will become, but you sow the bare seed, whether perhaps of wheat or of some of the rest.
1Co 15:38 But God gives to it a body just as he wishes, and to each one of the seeds its own body.
1Co 15:39 Not all flesh is the same, but there is one flesh of human beings, and another flesh of animals, and another flesh of birds, and another of fish,
1Co 15:40 and heavenly bodies and earthly bodies. But the glory of the heavenly bodies is of one kind, and the glory of the earthly bodies is of another kind.
1Co 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars, for star differs from star in glory.

1Co 15:42 ¶ Thus also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruptibility.
1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power.
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body .
1Co 15:45 Thus also it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living soul”; [A quotation from Gen 2:7] the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
1Co 15:46 But the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual.
1Co 15:47 The first man is from the earth, made of earth; the second man is from heaven.
1Co 15:48 As the one who is made of earth, so also are those who are made of earth, and as the heavenly, so also are those who are heavenly.
1Co 15:49 And just as we have borne the image of the one who is made of earth, we will also bear the image of the heavenly.

Mystery and Victory
1Co 15:50 ¶ But I say this, brothers, that flesh and blood is not able to inherit the kingdom of God, nor can corruption inherit incorruptibility.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: we will not all fall asleep, but we will all be changed,
1Co 15:52 in a moment, in the blink of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
1Co 15:53 For it is necessary for this perishable body to put on incorruptibility, and this mortal body to put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 But whenever this perishable body puts on incorruptibility and this mortal body puts on immortality, then the saying that is written will take place:
“Death is swallowed up in victory.
1Co 15:55 Where, O death, is your victory?
Where, O death, is your sting?

1Co 15:56 ¶ Now the sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.
1Co 15:57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ!
1Co 15:58 So then, my dear brothers, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, because you [*Here “because ” is supplied as a component of the participle (“know”) which is understood as causal] know that your labor is not in vain in the Lord.


J.
 
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