Easy to say, harder to prove.false dichotomy fallacy alert
What did Christ know and when did He or does He know it
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civic
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both are true.Easy to say, harder to prove.
civic
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Titus 2:11- For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to everyone.Easy to say, harder to prove.
I really hope this helps !!!
Who is 'everyone"?
civic
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And some icing on the cake above
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.
1 Timothy 2:3-4
This is good and pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, / who wants everyone to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.
1 Timothy 2:3-4
This is good and pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, / who wants everyone to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Hard to prove? I agreeboth are true.
civic
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not from the bible
You may begin at anytime.not from the bible
brightfame52
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1 Jn 4:14
And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
Religionist deny this apostolic testimony, for they make this saving purpose of the world to be a mere possibility, and not actual saving of the world. . The purpose of the incarnation is the salvation of sinners 1 Tim 1:15
15This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
If He saved only ten sinners, He accomplished the purpose of the Father, that's Saving the World.
But When John says that Christ is the Savior of the world, he is simply telling us that the grace of God is not limited to the nation of Israel alone, but that God has an elect people from the Gentiles He is going to save. God sent his Son to save men and women out of the fallen mass of humanity, Gentiles as well as Jews. Christ came to save guilty sinners John 3:14-18, The Lord Jesus Christ is the only Savior of the world Jn 4:42
And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.
Acts 4:12
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Under heaven is the scope of this saving purpose of Jesus Christ, He has accomplished world wide Salvation in saving all of Gods elect from every nation under heaven Rev 5:9-10
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
Religionist deny this apostolic testimony, for they make this saving purpose of the world to be a mere possibility, and not actual saving of the world. . The purpose of the incarnation is the salvation of sinners 1 Tim 1:15
15This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
If He saved only ten sinners, He accomplished the purpose of the Father, that's Saving the World.
But When John says that Christ is the Savior of the world, he is simply telling us that the grace of God is not limited to the nation of Israel alone, but that God has an elect people from the Gentiles He is going to save. God sent his Son to save men and women out of the fallen mass of humanity, Gentiles as well as Jews. Christ came to save guilty sinners John 3:14-18, The Lord Jesus Christ is the only Savior of the world Jn 4:42
And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.
Acts 4:12
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Under heaven is the scope of this saving purpose of Jesus Christ, He has accomplished world wide Salvation in saving all of Gods elect from every nation under heaven Rev 5:9-10
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
praise_yeshua
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You miss the obvious. Christ came to save sinners. There is only one kind of sinner. In the same manner to your exclusionary tactics with "world". There is only one kind of man. It is the same kind of man that Christ became in the Incarnation.
It is impossible for Christ to not have died for all men. He became a man to redeem all man.
As always, Calvinists look to exclude those, that are just like themselves, from knowing God.
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civic
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How many verses would it take for you to agree ? 1, 5, 10 or more ?
Depends if they are understood using proper hermeneutics. Simply proof texting is lazy.How many verses would it take for you to agree ? 1, 5, 10 or more ?
Dizerner
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False dichotomy.
It's both.
Opening a gift does not earn the gift.
In his Declaration of Sentiments, Arminius wrote:
civic
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Gods grace is involved in everyone who comes to believe the gospel and become saved. Man believes and God saves the person who believes in the Son for his salvation.
Great. Who has ever said otherwise?
civic
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Awesome now we have some common ground to work from my friend.
On a side note I've been making some amazing coffee and playing some decent golf.
We are a long ways from playing golf here unfortunately. Snow, snow and more snow.Awesome now we have some common ground to work from my friend.
On a side note I've been making some amazing coffee and playing some decent golf.
civic
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That sucks
. But you can still enjoy coffeeSimilar threads
