praise_yeshua
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They do. I pointed out a few. I didn't shy away from it. Don't shy away from it yourself. Please point out any you like.
Warnings by Reformers using ChatGPT
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They do. I pointed out a few. I didn't shy away from it. Don't shy away from it yourself. Please point out any you like.
Dizerner
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Let God be true, and every man a liar.
civic
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C'mon guys lets not call anyone a liar. There is no need for name calling. Please lets tone it down. Thank you !
Lets debate and leave out the personal comments/insults.
I seldom say anything like this but there have been several complaints.
Once again thanks and continue debating.
Lets debate and leave out the personal comments/insults.
I seldom say anything like this but there have been several complaints.
Once again thanks and continue debating.
praise_yeshua
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Glad you agree. The person that wrote that called out lies.
Tone it down guys or thread get closed.
praise_yeshua
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I can only imagine who those might be.....
This "belief" is contrary to what the apostles and Jesus both practiced. This is certainly a topic that should be debated relative to Christian practice. There are many who seek to limit such words because they have a problem with the issue themselves.
The term doesn't bother me at all. Feel free to use it yourself. Anyone can use it. It is an English word that denotes the severity of the act of not telling the Truth.
Contradictory to the request, here are some examples where Jesus and the apostles used the word that certain people don't like.
The Greek source is ψεύστης it is first found in the manuscripts of the Scriptures in Psalm 116:11 "I said in my alarm, all men are liars".
It is the source of Paul's reference in Romans 3:4
Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged
Which, BTW, shows the value of the Greek OT. All you Hebrew scholars review the same in the Hebrew of the MT and see what you get.
Jesus said....
Joh 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
Joh 8:55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
Jesus ties lying to the Father of lies.
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Satan is called the Father of lies for a reason. It is exactly what Satan made Eve/Adam into in what all you thinking about "original sin".
I could stop using the word right now and nothing would change relative to how any one of you would see me. The issue is not with the words I chose to use. The issue is none of you can debate me without resorting to such silly arguments as "don't use that word".
Prove it. Try. Most of you just don't like what I have to see. I'll face God with what I say. I will not answer to any of you about it. Period.
Make your choices.
praise_yeshua
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Don't punish others for what I'm getting charged with. I can handle it myself.
You can do whatever you want with you time. But here at BAM we hope we could all just get along.
Nobody is punishing anyone or charging anyone. If a thread keeps going down a negative path like this one, it will be locked.
praise_yeshua
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I've had my say. I'll exit the conversation. They can continue. If you will leave what I said up for a short time, then you won't offend my by deleting it. All I want is to freely have my say. I'll all about freedom. Sometimes you just have to let things be what they are.
Thanks
OK great, thanks. I'll make sure all your posts stay up.
Johann
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We are trying to get back on an even keel here as in one that is calm, steady, and balanced, without sudden changes in mood or behavior.
Richard
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And that's how it should be.
Johann
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Yes, it’s becoming rather tiresome-the subtle distortions and misrepresentations by certain members seem aimed more at provoking a reaction than fostering an edifying exchange. That’s the essential difference between dokimazō and ekpeirazō, brother.
I must say, though-I genuinely admire your patience.
J.
This forum has rules which should have been read and understood before one becomes a member. You are certainly entitled to free speech, but here's the thing--the Forum owners are entitled as well to have rules governing their forum. Regardless of what you think you should be able to do, the plain fact is you cannot break the rules here.
If you are looking for a place where you can let anything fly, there are free forums which you can build and own.
I agree with you AI can be useful.
Pancho Frijoles
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Very interesting thread, civic.In reflecting on the use of ChatGPT, the Free Reformed ministers asked themselves: “Does this mean that ChatGPT could write a sermon? What if a minister was to give the right parameters to ChatGPT and it spits out an objectively more biblical, reformed, redemptive-historical and Christ-centred sermon than the one the minister worked all week on… how to think through that….?”
The Free Reformed ministers conclude that the answer is No, and they give the reason why: “The nature of preaching in addressing and the illuminating work of the Spirit in understanding the Word of God, can’t be generated by AI. This is true for the preparation and the preaching of God’s Holy Word. ChatGPT can never prayerfully prepare a sermon like ministers do.”
See full article below
ChatGPT and the Christian - Defence of the Truth
Recently I received a letter from a reader in Canada alerting me to the potential danger of using ChatGPT, particularly for making sermons by ministers of the Word. Information about the possible use and misuse of this recent medium also applies more broadly to church people wanting to remain...defenceofthetruth.com
It is undeniable that AI can be a fantastic tool to convey ideas and even trigger emotions, but the transformative power that the Gospel makes in real human beings who preach the Word is what makes the difference.
ChatGPT cannot inspire others with an example of life. A sanctified preacher can.
Pancho Frijoles
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Well, there are some nuances on what I just posted.
There are some believers that show a behavior far far worse than AI.
I have held theological debates with an AI model, and the AI model
- does not insult
- does not condemn
- does not use sarcasm nor reacts to man's sarcasm
- does not judge my moral stance
- does not evade arguments
- recognizes her mistakes
I'm just bringing to the attention of everyone that an AI can hold a debate that is light years more stimulating, intellectually, and light years more peaceful, spiritually, than a debate with some fanatics.
Johann
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Which gospel?
Doctrine Historic Christianity Baha’i Faith
God One God in three Persons: Father, Son, Holy Spirit (Matt. 28:19; 2 Cor. 13:14) -- One God, but rejects the Trinity; God is wholly transcendent and unknowable
Jesus Christ Eternal Son of God, fully God and fully man; virgin birth, sinless life, crucifixion, bodily resurrection--- One of many Manifestations of God, not God in essence; denies deity and exclusive salvific role
Final Revelation Jesus is the final and complete revelation of God (Heb. 1:1–2; Jude 1:3) Jesus was a Manifestation, but Baha’u’llah is a more recent one, bringing further revelation
Salvation By grace through faith in Christ alone (Eph. 2:8–9; John 3:16; Acts 4:12) By personal effort and moral obedience; faith in Baha’u’llah as the latest Manifestation is required
Scripture The Bible is the complete and final written Word of God (2 Tim. 3:16–17; Rev. 22:18–19) Accepts the Bible but believes it is corrupted; adds Baha’i writings (e.g., Kitáb-i-Aqdas)
Sin and Atonement All have sinned; Jesus’ death is a substitutionary atonement for sin (Rom. 3:23–25; 1 Pet. 2:24) Denies original sin and rejects substitutionary atonement
Resurrection of Christ Bodily resurrection of Christ is essential to the gospel (1 Cor. 15:14–17) Rejects bodily resurrection, teaches symbolic or spiritual resurrection
Eschatology (Last Things) Second coming of Christ, bodily resurrection of all, final judgment (Acts 1:11; John 5:28–29; Rev. 20) Christ already came symbolically in Baha’u’llah; rejects final judgment and bodily resurrection
Church and Mission The Church is the Body of Christ, tasked with preaching the gospel to all nations (Matt. 28:19–20) Promotes unity of all religions, global harmony, and progressive revelation
The Baha’i Faith departs from foundational Christian doctrines including the deity of Christ, the Trinity, the sufficiency of Scripture, substitutionary atonement, and salvation by grace through faith. These are non-negotiables in Christian theology (cf. Gal. 1:6–9; 2 John 1:9–11).
As such, the Baha’i Faith cannot be considered a part of the Christian faith, either historically or doctrinally, despite ethical overlap or reverence for Jesus.
So I ask again @Pancho Frijoles--which gospel are you, a Baha'i, referring to?
I'm a guest here, so what I say matters little, but do you have permission to engage believers in Christ here, especially when your religion radically departed from THE faith, THE Way?
@civic--is this permissible?
J.
