Warnings by Reformers using ChatGPT

Johann said:
Why the focus on which “engine” I’m using? You’ve got access to Logos and Accordance-so what are "they" saying regarding our Calvinist brothers in Christ, @Dizerner?
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Bible programs do not "say" things, they allow access to Bible study materials.

I understand someone might not be tech savvy enough to distinguish between ChatGPT and something that does not say "ChatGPT" on it.
 
Richard said:
I am an old-fashioned kind of Christian. I believe in the Bible. I believe that it is clear, complete, sufficient, true, and without error.
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Yes, but it is it the good old God inspired KJV or those new demonic devil Bibles that remove verses from them?!!
 
Johann said:
It’s telling that I received no direct feedback on my previous post @Dizerner —which only reaffirms what I already suspected: you can have access to all the premium features of Logos and still not know how to use them effectively.

For those who haven’t explored it yet, ChatGPT is an exceptional tool for engaging with Greek and Hebrew, particularly when it comes to parsing grammar, morphology, and syntax. In fact, I would go so far as to say that, in these areas, it surpasses Logos in both speed and clarity.

If you’re serious about private study and want to better understand the original languages-especially since the majority of readers and even teachers have little grasp of the grammar and structure underpinning the Scriptures-I encourage you to try it for yourself. It will absolutely enhance your exegetical depth. And English!

That said, I wouldn’t recommend it for preparing sermons. Like any tool, it can be manipulated, and caution is warranted.

But for someone like me, working in a war-torn, under-resourced country, it has become a powerful complement to the traditional tools I already use.

Shame on the lighthearted jokers here, no depth, utter silliness.

Here in South Africa there is a HUNGER for God's word with persecution upon us!

Johann.
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Oh, tell me about it!!! Chat GPT is a fantastic resource! I use it for Bible study, as a Latin tutor, recipes, etc.

As for Latin, Chat is a great teacher. When I have problems with something, it explains it. It has helped me greatly.
It also explained concepts and how to do problems in my granddaughter's Physics class. It took her grade up quite a bit.

I was sick the last couple of weeks and had to stay home from church. Not wanting to let the time go by without Bible study, I did some research with Chat. I would read some, and have a question, pose it to chat, and we would discuss it. I will post an example. I was wondering what this phrase meant "they put a branch to their nose"
ChatGPT:
The phrase "they put a branch to their nose" comes from Ezekiel 8:17, which says:


"Have you seen this, son of man? Is it a trivial matter for the people of Judah to do the detestable things they are doing here? Must they also fill the land with violence and continually arouse my anger? Look at them putting the branch to their nose!" (Ezekiel 8:17, NIV)
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This phrase is somewhat obscure, and scholars have debated its exact meaning because it is not explained in detail within the text. However, here are the most common interpretations:

1.​

One common interpretation is that "putting a branch to their nose" refers to some form of pagan worship or ritual, possibly involving the worship of idols or nature. In some ancient pagan cultures, branches or plants were used in rituals, and this gesture could symbolize participation in idolatry. Since the context of Ezekiel 8 involves the people's idolatry and turning away from God, this could be another reference to their involvement in pagan practices.

2.
Another interpretation suggests that the gesture of putting a branch to the nose may have been a sign of contempt, mockery, or disrespect toward God. By performing this act in the context of idol worship, the people could be deliberately showing irreverence or indifference to God's commands and worship.

3.
In some ancient cultures, certain gestures involving the nose were seen as related to defilement or uncleanliness. Putting a branch to the nose might symbolize a defiling action, showing the people's spiritual impurity and rejection of God’s ways. It could suggest that their idolatry had become a stench before God.

4.​

Some scholars propose that the "branch" might be connected to offerings of incense in pagan rituals. In this view, "putting the branch to their nose" could refer to inhaling the smoke or fragrance of incense burned to idols. This would be another expression of idolatry, indicating that the people were worshiping false gods instead of the Lord.

Conclusion:​

While the phrase "putting a branch to their nose" is not fully explained in the Bible, it likely refers to some idolatrous or pagan practice that was deeply offensive to God. The overall context in Ezekiel 8 is about the people's widespread idol worship and spiritual corruption, and this action is seen as one of the many detestable things they were doing to provoke God's anger.

There is a whole lot here. I think Chat GPT is an excellent tool to learn from.
 
Dizerner said:
Bible programs do not "say" things, they allow access to Bible study materials.

I understand someone might not be tech savvy enough to distinguish between ChatGPT and something that does not say "ChatGPT" on it.
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That’s correct-Logos and Accordance provide access to a wide range of paid Bible study materials and secondary resources, and that is certainly commendable.

I simply ask for the same courtesy to utilize my own Bible and freely available study tools as I seek to dig deeply into the Scriptures.

J.
 
Quintus5 said:
Oh, tell me about it!!! Chat GPT is a fantastic resource! I use it for Bible study, as a Latin tutor, recipes, etc.

As for Latin, Chat is a great teacher. When I have problems with something, it explains it. It has helped me greatly.
It also explained concepts and how to do problems in my granddaughter's Physics class. It took her grade up quite a bit.

I was sick the last couple of weeks and had to stay home from church. Not wanting to let the time go by without Bible study, I did some research with Chat. I would read some, and have a question, pose it to chat, and we would discuss it. I will post an example. I was wondering what this phrase meant "they put a branch to their nose"
ChatGPT:
The phrase "they put a branch to their nose" comes from Ezekiel 8:17, which says:





This phrase is somewhat obscure, and scholars have debated its exact meaning because it is not explained in detail within the text. However, here are the most common interpretations:

1.​

One common interpretation is that "putting a branch to their nose" refers to some form of pagan worship or ritual, possibly involving the worship of idols or nature. In some ancient pagan cultures, branches or plants were used in rituals, and this gesture could symbolize participation in idolatry. Since the context of Ezekiel 8 involves the people's idolatry and turning away from God, this could be another reference to their involvement in pagan practices.

2.
Another interpretation suggests that the gesture of putting a branch to the nose may have been a sign of contempt, mockery, or disrespect toward God. By performing this act in the context of idol worship, the people could be deliberately showing irreverence or indifference to God's commands and worship.

3.
In some ancient cultures, certain gestures involving the nose were seen as related to defilement or uncleanliness. Putting a branch to the nose might symbolize a defiling action, showing the people's spiritual impurity and rejection of God’s ways. It could suggest that their idolatry had become a stench before God.

4.​

Some scholars propose that the "branch" might be connected to offerings of incense in pagan rituals. In this view, "putting the branch to their nose" could refer to inhaling the smoke or fragrance of incense burned to idols. This would be another expression of idolatry, indicating that the people were worshiping false gods instead of the Lord.

Conclusion:​

While the phrase "putting a branch to their nose" is not fully explained in the Bible, it likely refers to some idolatrous or pagan practice that was deeply offensive to God. The overall context in Ezekiel 8 is about the people's widespread idol worship and spiritual corruption, and this action is seen as one of the many detestable things they were doing to provoke God's anger.

There is a whole lot here. I think Chat GPT is an excellent tool to learn from.
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You’ve truly made my day-sending a warm and heartfelt thank you all the way from South Africa, @Quintus5!

“The generous soul will be made rich, and he who waters will also be watered himself.” - Proverbs 11:25

Shalom to you and family.

Johann.
 
Johann said:
It’s telling that I received no direct feedback on my previous post @Dizerner —which only reaffirms what I already suspected: you can have access to all the premium features of Logos and still not know how to use them effectively.

For those who haven’t explored it yet, ChatGPT is an exceptional tool for engaging with Greek and Hebrew, particularly when it comes to parsing grammar, morphology, and syntax. In fact, I would go so far as to say that, in these areas, it surpasses Logos in both speed and clarity.
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Both ChatGPT and Logos are often wrong. You're picking between losers. ChatGPT is programmed to blind you. ChatGPT is a search engine that refines its responses. Don't get "dazzled" by its kindness. Satan is kind when he needs to be. Evil men know people are easy targets when it comes to kindness. If you study the life of Jesus Christ, you will find that he was very seldom kind to false teachers/leaders. Some used this fact against Christ.

Johann said:
If you’re serious about private study and want to better understand the original languages-especially since the majority of readers and even teachers have little grasp of the grammar and structure underpinning the Scriptures-I encourage you to try it for yourself. It will absolutely enhance your exegetical depth. And English!
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Nonsense. There are countless grammatical mistakes made in the ancient texts of the Scriptures. In fact, we can recognize authors by their grammatical mistakes. You need more experience in this topic.


Johann said:
That said, I wouldn’t recommend it for preparing sermons. Like any tool, it can be manipulated, and caution is warranted.

But for someone like me, working in a war-torn, under-resourced country, it has become a powerful complement to the traditional tools I already use.

Shame on the lighthearted jokers here, no depth, utter silliness.

Here in South Africa there is a HUNGER for God's word with persecution upon us!

Johann.
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Stop promoting "South Africa". God has people in all nations. Treat all men equal. There is no advantage to being "South African".
 
praise_yeshua said:
Both ChatGPT and Logos are often wrong. You're picking between losers. ChatGPT is programmed to blind you. ChatGPT is a search engine that refines its responses. Don't get "dazzled" by its kindness. Satan is kind when he needs to be. Evil men know people are easy targets when it comes to kindness. If you study the life of Jesus Christ, you will find that he was very seldom kind to false teachers/leaders. Some used this fact against Christ.



Nonsense. There are countless grammatical mistakes made in the ancient texts of the Scriptures. In fact, we can recognize authors by their grammatical mistakes. You need more experience in this topic.




Stop promoting "South Africa". God has people in all nations. Treat all men equal. There is no advantage to being "South African".
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You are free to continue with mockery/trolling if you choose, but it makes no difference to me.

“Do not be deceived: God is not mocked. For whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.” — Galatians 6:7

I’ll stay focused on the truth and leave the rest to God.

J.
 
Quintus5 said:
Oh, tell me about it!!! Chat GPT is a fantastic resource! I use it for Bible study, as a Latin tutor, recipes, etc.

As for Latin, Chat is a great teacher. When I have problems with something, it explains it. It has helped me greatly.
It also explained concepts and how to do problems in my granddaughter's Physics class. It took her grade up quite a bit.

I was sick the last couple of weeks and had to stay home from church. Not wanting to let the time go by without Bible study, I did some research with Chat. I would read some, and have a question, pose it to chat, and we would discuss it. I will post an example. I was wondering what this phrase meant "they put a branch to their nose"
ChatGPT:
The phrase "they put a branch to their nose" comes from Ezekiel 8:17, which says:





This phrase is somewhat obscure, and scholars have debated its exact meaning because it is not explained in detail within the text. However, here are the most common interpretations:

1.​

One common interpretation is that "putting a branch to their nose" refers to some form of pagan worship or ritual, possibly involving the worship of idols or nature. In some ancient pagan cultures, branches or plants were used in rituals, and this gesture could symbolize participation in idolatry. Since the context of Ezekiel 8 involves the people's idolatry and turning away from God, this could be another reference to their involvement in pagan practices.

2.
Another interpretation suggests that the gesture of putting a branch to the nose may have been a sign of contempt, mockery, or disrespect toward God. By performing this act in the context of idol worship, the people could be deliberately showing irreverence or indifference to God's commands and worship.

3.
In some ancient cultures, certain gestures involving the nose were seen as related to defilement or uncleanliness. Putting a branch to the nose might symbolize a defiling action, showing the people's spiritual impurity and rejection of God’s ways. It could suggest that their idolatry had become a stench before God.

4.​

Some scholars propose that the "branch" might be connected to offerings of incense in pagan rituals. In this view, "putting the branch to their nose" could refer to inhaling the smoke or fragrance of incense burned to idols. This would be another expression of idolatry, indicating that the people were worshiping false gods instead of the Lord.

Conclusion:​

While the phrase "putting a branch to their nose" is not fully explained in the Bible, it likely refers to some idolatrous or pagan practice that was deeply offensive to God. The overall context in Ezekiel 8 is about the people's widespread idol worship and spiritual corruption, and this action is seen as one of the many detestable things they were doing to provoke God's anger.

There is a whole lot here. I think Chat GPT is an excellent tool to learn from.
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Grok is much better. Test it. I have.

Sam Altman is an evil man. He is a thief and crook of epic proportions.

ChatGPT stole that explanation as if it were its own.

BTW.... The Greek text simple says "like ones that turn up their noses". Nothing complicated at all. We all know someone like this...
 
Dizerner said:
I wonder what engine he is actually using.

ChatGPT gave me this:
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That is exactly what amazed me, the difference between your version and the @Johann version and the progress that has been made AND in such a short time. It is not just about the % of the correctness of Johann version BUT that a computer can reason and comes to an adequate CONCLUSION. I program since 1974 so I know a bit what a computer can and what not and this is scaring, a computer that can make adequate conclusions on complicated data.

Recently the Trump administration announced it will invest 500 billion dollars in AI, it will be used in economic, political and warfare solutions. The cat is out of the bag and can't be put in. Currently China is in the lead with political and warfare solutions, I think it's well known how China controls its population with real time face recognition.
 
ProDeo said:
That is exactly what amazed me, the difference between your version and the @Johann version and the progress that has been made AND in such a short time. It is not just about the % of the correctness of Johann version BUT that a computer can reason and comes to an adequate CONCLUSION. I program since 1974 so I know a bit what a computer can and what not and this is scaring, a computer that can make adequate conclusions on complicated data.

Recently the Trump administration announced it will invest 500 billion dollars in AI, it will be used in economic, political and warfare solutions. The cat is out of the bag and can't be put in. Currently China is in the lead with political and warfare solutions, I think it's well known how China controls its population with real time face recognition.
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It largely consists of memory/cache and can easily access that memory/cache much faster than any single human being but when it comes to complexity, it really is an infant in understanding.

If you challenge them (AIs) relative to trusting contradictory sources, they will do one of two things. Admit their conclusions aren't perfect or get "hung" in "deep dives".

ChatGPT is very weak in this. The way you combat resource drain is the stop looking for self contradictions. That is where ChatGPT has a problem. It is also programmed to avoid certain topics. In this, it is very similar to human beings but it is also flawed.

When AI really gets to where it changes things, you will not be able to afford it. Information is power and power is expensive.

My primary concern is that "AI" will become a single voice in this world. Everyone should fear this. The programmers will make sure that voice is heard and followed.
 
ProDeo said:
That is exactly what amazed me, the difference between your version and the @Johann version and the progress that has been made AND in such a short time. It is not just about the % of the correctness of Johann version BUT that a computer can reason and comes to an adequate CONCLUSION. I program since 1974 so I know a bit what a computer can and what not and this is scaring, a computer that can make adequate conclusions on complicated data.

Recently the Trump administration announced it will invest 500 billion dollars in AI, it will be used in economic, political and warfare solutions. The cat is out of the bag and can't be put in. Currently China is in the lead with political and warfare solutions, I think it's well known how China controls its population with real time face recognition.
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You're absolutely right @ProDeo and just to clarify, while ChatGPT (or any AI) is no substitute for personal Bible study-that’s truly the work of the Holy Spirit, who illuminates the Scriptures and helps us live them out-it can be a useful tool when it comes to digging into the grammar, morphology, and syntax of the Hebrew and Greek texts. Like @praise_yeshua pointed out, tools like Grok are also emerging, and with so many resources available, there’s really no excuse for biblical illiteracy in our day.

I’ve been using e-Sword for years now, loaded with a bunch of exegetical commentaries. It’s how I study, and I especially make use of Bob Utley’s materials-he really brings clarity and makes Bible study enjoyable rather than burdensome.

At the end of the day, we’ve got an incredible amount of biblical data at our fingertips. The question is- are we using it for God’s glory or for ourselves? These tools can either build us up or distract us-depends on how we use them.

Also, a side bonus-I've been brushing up on my Zulu and Xhosa using some of these same tools. Loving that growth too!

God bless brother.

J.
 

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