Understanding God Plurality as one Person

[101G]

they are not the same beings.

vatican deception.

They ... they are not the same being? let the bible speak. John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:2 "The same was in the beginning with God." John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

now this, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

if this is not the same one person in both scriptures "WHO MADE ALL THINGS" then U have two creators, meaning U have two Gods. and by definition that's polytheism.

101G.

 

[101G]

Gods son and feminine spirit are the hands of God.

God son? and the Spirit are the Hands of God? well first off God is a Spirit, and if you say his Spirit is a separate person, who is the same Spirit then you have two Spirits.

but the hand of God is the ARM of God, meaning it's the same one Spirit.

101G.

 

[101G]

the son and spirit are different beings.

well let's see what the bible say. example #1. 1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:" so, the Lord JESUS is the "advocate" correct. well who and what is the "advocate"
G3875 παράκλητος parakletos (pa-ra'-klee-tos) n.
1. (properly) one called near (to give help).
2. an intercessor (one who entreats of behalf of another).
3. a comforter.
[(not given)]
KJV: advocate, comforter
Root(s): G3844, G2822

the Lord Jesus who is the Son, is also the Holy Spirit. notice definition #2 and #3. now, how is he, JESUS/GOD, the son and the Holy the same one person. listen and Learn. John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;" John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."

and he did come to them on the day of Pentecost. now how do 101G know that the Lord Jesus the Son is the Holy Spirit? answer, it's in the term "ANOTHER" in John 14:16. which is the Greek word, G243 G2087 ,allos heteros Both have a difference in meaning, which despite a tendency to be lost, is to be observed in numerous passages. Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort;" heteros expresses a qualitative difference and denotes "another of a different sort."
study that definition closely. a numerical difference is the same as Ordinal First, and Ordinal Last, or Alpha and Omega. or beginning and end, or root and Offspring. remember a numerical difference but the same "SORT" of the same one. this is the ECHAD in plain sight.

Oh this is too easy.

101G.

 

[e v e]

thanks for the reply, and let's see what the bible say. Hebrews 1:1 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets," Hebrews 1:2 "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;" Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;"
BINGO, "his" person. so the bible say God is a, a, a, a, PERSON. and also, God has a Soul, which means, again he's a PERSON.

101G.

a being is a person. non-point.

 

[e v e]

God son? and the Spirit are the Hands of God? well first off God is a Spirit, and if you say his Spirit is a separate person, who is the same Spirit then you have two Spirits.

but the hand of God is the ARM of God, meaning it's the same one Spirit.

101G.

first you'd need to understand what the terms mean.

 

[e v e]

well let's see what the bible say. example #1. 1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:" so, the Lord JESUS is the "advocate" correct. well who and what is the "advocate"
G3875 παράκλητος parakletos (pa-ra'-klee-tos) n.
1. (properly) one called near (to give help).
2. an intercessor (one who entreats of behalf of another).
3. a comforter.
[(not given)]
KJV: advocate, comforter
Root(s): G3844, G2822

the Lord Jesus who is the Son, is also the Holy Spirit. notice definition #2 and #3. now, how is he, JESUS/GOD, the son and the Holy the same one person. listen and Learn. John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;" John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."

and he did come to them on the day of Pentecost. now how do 101G know that the Lord Jesus the Son is the Holy Spirit? answer, it's in the term "ANOTHER" in John 14:16. which is the Greek word, G243 G2087 ,allos heteros Both have a difference in meaning, which despite a tendency to be lost, is to be observed in numerous passages. Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort;" heteros expresses a qualitative difference and denotes "another of a different sort."
study that definition closely. a numerical difference is the same as Ordinal First, and Ordinal Last, or Alpha and Omega. or beginning and end, or root and Offspring. remember a numerical difference but the same "SORT" of the same one. this is the ECHAD in plain sight.

Oh this is too easy.

101G.

Our comforter is His feminine spirit... our mother.

 

[e v e]

well let's see what the bible say. example #1. 1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:" so, the Lord JESUS is the "advocate" correct. well who and what is the "advocate"
G3875 παράκλητος parakletos (pa-ra'-klee-tos) n.
1. (properly) one called near (to give help).
2. an intercessor (one who entreats of behalf of another).
3. a comforter.
[(not given)]
KJV: advocate, comforter
Root(s): G3844, G2822

the Lord Jesus who is the Son, is also the Holy Spirit. notice definition #2 and #3. now, how is he, JESUS/GOD, the son and the Holy the same one person. listen and Learn. John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;" John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."

and he did come to them on the day of Pentecost. now how do 101G know that the Lord Jesus the Son is the Holy Spirit? answer, it's in the term "ANOTHER" in John 14:16. which is the Greek word, G243 G2087 ,allos heteros Both have a difference in meaning, which despite a tendency to be lost, is to be observed in numerous passages. Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort;" heteros expresses a qualitative difference and denotes "another of a different sort."
study that definition closely. a numerical difference is the same as Ordinal First, and Ordinal Last, or Alpha and Omega. or beginning and end, or root and Offspring. remember a numerical difference but the same "SORT" of the same one. this is the ECHAD in plain sight.

Oh this is too easy.

101G.

those definitions are opinions, how
that interlocutor chose to interpret terms
based on his own point of view.

God is not alone , without His Spirit and son...
He is not an ego with no Other to love.
His nature is Love,
not solipsism ...
And He gave us the same situation
male and female, to help each other
and not be alone ...
His image ...


the 'One' is a pagan greek concept.

that is their theology
...

 

[TomL]

@TomL
Now, that we KINOW that it was only the Holy Spirit, and the Lord JESUS at his Baptism. well 101G has a QUESTION for YOU. since the Lord Jesus, as some say who is the second person in the Godhead, (the Son), QUESTION, "if this was a second and separate person, in the Godhead, how much of the Spirit was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō'), or made empty while this second person was in that flesh". because, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:"

The Lord Jesus is Spirit, equal with God, so, HOW MUCH OF THE SPIRIT WAS G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') WHILE IN THAT FLESH? Your answer please.

Was it 1/3 of the Spirit that was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō'), or what?

101G.

You still have not answered the question

Who was it calling Jevovah Christ his son?

Can you answer?

 

[TomL]

the Ordinal First, the (SUBJECTIVE), of himself without flesh. bone, or blood. UNDERSTAND NOW?

101G

Nope

One cannot be one's own son

The question remains

Who is it calling Jehovah Christ his son?

Can you answer it?

BTW

Who is jehovah Christ praying to

Luke 22:41–42 (KJV 1900) — 41 And he was withdrawn from them about a stone’s cast, and kneeled down, and prayed, 42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

and calling father

 

[101G]

a being is a person. non-point.

GINOLJC to all.
first thanks for the reply. second, only God is the ONLY "BEING", we're his creation. second BECAUSE of God we're persons in HIM, he's the only being and outside of him there is no existence. be it "spirit", "soul", or "Body", it's all of and in him.

101G.

 

[101G]

first you'd need to understand what the terms mean.

ok, 101G will give it a shot... (smile). the hand or right hand of God or the arm of God is a metaphor for God's power, his ability to intervene/act in human history from the beginning to the end of it. it is the anthropomorphism, meaning the attribution of human form or behavior given to a deity, (here almighty God), to understand his actions and ability in human history.

if 101G falls short please edify 101G.

101G.

 

[101G]

those definitions are opinions, how
that interlocutor chose to interpret terms
based on his own point of view.

well these definitions are not 101G's opinions, the source of these definitions can be found in the Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments. 101G suggest you look up this dictionary definitions online..... if you can. and two this is not 101G's point of view, it's just the facts. 101G suggest you get a dictionary and look up word definitions for yourself .... ok.

God is not alone , without His Spirit and son...

another ERROR on your part. Isaiah 45:5 "I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:" that sounds clearly that he is "ALONE". also this scriptures says the same. Isaiah 45:6 "That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else." and one more, Isaiah 45:21 "Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me."

take note, he is "Saviour", and is not the Son the "Saviour?" yes, the same "ONE" person. so you're reproved there again.

And He gave us the same situation
male and female, to help each other
and not be alone ...
His image ...

see, HIS IMAGE, listen EVE, let 101G school you on something. we're nothing without God, JESUS, the Almighty. we own, nor exist without him. our bodies as we say..... they are not ours. if and when we die naturally, it returns to where it came from, the dust of the earth. and who made and own's the earth? God. our spirit, where do they come from? God, and when we die, our spirits return to God. and our souls? he said, "ALL SOULS" are his. so, let's recap, our spirits are not ours, nor our bodies, or souls. ..... hello, do we get the picture now?

the 'One' is a pagan greek concept.

as you said, "Your opinion?"

101G.

 

[101G]

You still have not answered the question

Who was it calling Jevovah Christ his son?

Can you answer?

did you read post #29? a voice, did the scriptures say it was the Father's voice? no. so why you "ASSUME" it was. again read post #29 for understanding the answer.

now the last time, Matthew 3:16 "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:" Matthew 3:17 "And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." NEVER, NEVER, ASSUME WHEN THE BIBLE DO NOT SAY SO. ..... ok.

and two, Jehovah is not God's PERSONAL NAME, that's a false man-made up name. ...... (smile).

101G.

 

[101G]

the Ordinal First, the (SUBJECTIVE), of himself without flesh. bone, or blood. UNDERSTAND NOW?

101G

You said, "Nope

One cannot be one's own son"
***********************************************************
Now, to understand this SUBJECTIVE and CONCRETE of God, scripture. while on EARTH, in a body of Flesh and blood. the Lord Jesus was speaking to a Pharisees, named Nicodemus. and at the same time, Spirit in heaven. John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." UNDERSTAND NOW?

You ERROR badly. you said, "One cannot be one's own son". STOP THINKING FLESHLY. the title "Son" here is not biological. listen and learn, the TERM "Son" also has metaphorically meaning. 101G will use the Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words to give you the TRUE meaning of "Son". listen, primarily signifies the relation of offspring to parent (See John 9:18-John 9:20; Gal 4:30. It is often used metaphorically of prominent moral characteristics (See below). It is used in the NT of (a) male offspring, Gal 4:30; (b) legitimate, as opposed to illegitimate offspring, Heb 12:8; (c) descendants, without reference to sex, Rom 9:27; (d) friends attending a wedding, Matt 9:15; (e) those who enjoy certain privileges, Acts 3:25; (f) those who act in a certain way, whether evil, Matt 23:31, or good, Gal 3:7; (g) those who manifest a certain character, whether evil, Acts 13:10; Eph 2:2, or good, Luke 6:35; Acts 4:36; Rom 8:14; (h) the destiny that corresponds with the character, whether evil, Matt 23:15; John 17:12; 2Thess 2:3, or good, Luke 20:36; (i) the dignity of the relationship with God whereinto men are brought by the Holy Spirit when they believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, Rom 8:19; Gal 3:26. ...

"The Apostle John does not use huios, 'son,' of the believer, he reserves that title for the Lord; but he does use teknon, 'child,' as in his Gospel, John 1:12; 1John 3:1-2; Rev 21:7 (hunios) is a quotation from 2Sam 7:14.

Who is jehovah Christ praying to

Luke 22:41–42 (KJV 1900) — 41 And he was withdrawn from them about a stone’s cast, and kneeled down, and prayed, 42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

and calling father

let's expose this term "jehovah". this will be a good training lesson for all. many jehovah witness use this name for their God. and they use it in their NWT bible. well let's expose this name for all to see. in their NWT, at Revelation 22:6 it says jehovah sent his angel to john. go to their web site and see that the name jehovah is used instead of what the KJV have. Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done."

they have replaced "the Lord God" .... of the holy prophets with the name "jehovah". THIS WAS A BIG MISTAKE. because in the KJV as well as their NWT bible, it says, this in the same chapter at verse 16. (KJV), Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

so, either the Lord JESUS is their "jehovah" or they LIED, else, the name "jehovah" is a LIE. their choice. just go to their web site and see for yourself. someone must have been asleep at the wheel when translating those verses of scripture.

101G.

 

[e v e]

GINOLJC to all.
first thanks for the reply. second, only God is the ONLY "BEING", we're his creation. second BECAUSE of God we're persons in HIM, he's the only being and outside of him there is no existence. be it "spirit", "soul", or "Body", it's all of and in him.

101G.

so you follow plato?

 

[e v e]

well these definitions are not 101G's opinions, the source of these definitions can be found in the Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments. 101G suggest you look up this dictionary definitions online..... if you can. and two this is not 101G's point of view, it's just the facts. 101G suggest you get a dictionary and look up word definitions for yourself .... ok.

another ERROR on your part. Isaiah 45:5 "I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:" that sounds clearly that he is "ALONE". also this scriptures says the same. Isaiah 45:6 "That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else." and one more, Isaiah 45:21 "Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me."

take note, he is "Saviour", and is not the Son the "Saviour?" yes, the same "ONE" person. so you're reproved there again.

see, HIS IMAGE, listen EVE, let 101G school you on something. we're nothing without God, JESUS, the Almighty. we own, nor exist without him. our bodies as we say..... they are not ours. if and when we die naturally, it returns to where it came from, the dust of the earth. and who made and own's the earth? God. our spirit, where do they come from? God, and when we die, our spirits return to God. and our souls? he said, "ALL SOULS" are his. so, let's recap, our spirits are not ours, nor our bodies, or souls. ..... hello, do we get the picture now?

as you said, "Your opinion?"

101G.

God did not create these bodies.

so.... true, they are not ours - not our original ones.

 

[101G]

so you follow plato?

no, the Lord Jesus.

101G.

 

[101G]

God did not create these bodies.

did not God MAKE ALL THINGS?

101G.

 

[TomL]

You said, "Nope

One cannot be one's own son"
***********************************************************
Now, to understand this SUBJECTIVE and CONCRETE of God, scripture. while on EARTH, in a body of Flesh and blood. the Lord Jesus was speaking to a Pharisees, named Nicodemus. and at the same time, Spirit in heaven. John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." UNDERSTAND NOW?

You ERROR badly. you said, "One cannot be one's own son". STOP THINKING FLESHLY. the title "Son" here is not biological. listen and learn, the TERM "Son" also has metaphorically meaning. 101G will use the Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words to give you the TRUE meaning of "Son". listen, primarily signifies the relation of offspring to parent (See John 9:18-John 9:20; Gal 4:30. It is often used metaphorically of prominent moral characteristics (See below). It is used in the NT of (a) male offspring, Gal 4:30; (b) legitimate, as opposed to illegitimate offspring, Heb 12:8; (c) descendants, without reference to sex, Rom 9:27; (d) friends attending a wedding, Matt 9:15; (e) those who enjoy certain privileges, Acts 3:25; (f) those who act in a certain way, whether evil, Matt 23:31, or good, Gal 3:7; (g) those who manifest a certain character, whether evil, Acts 13:10; Eph 2:2, or good, Luke 6:35; Acts 4:36; Rom 8:14; (h) the destiny that corresponds with the character, whether evil, Matt 23:15; John 17:12; 2Thess 2:3, or good, Luke 20:36; (i) the dignity of the relationship with God whereinto men are brought by the Holy Spirit when they believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, Rom 8:19; Gal 3:26. ...

"The Apostle John does not use huios, 'son,' of the believer, he reserves that title for the Lord; but he does use teknon, 'child,' as in his Gospel, John 1:12; 1John 3:1-2; Rev 21:7 (hunios) is a quotation from 2Sam 7:14.


let's expose this term "jehovah". this will be a good training lesson for all. many jehovah witness use this name for their God. and they use it in their NWT bible. well let's expose this name for all to see. in their NWT, at Revelation 22:6 it says jehovah sent his angel to john. go to their web site and see that the name jehovah is used instead of what the KJV have. Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done."

they have replaced "the Lord God" .... of the holy prophets with the name "jehovah". THIS WAS A BIG MISTAKE. because in the KJV as well as their NWT bible, it says, this in the same chapter at verse 16. (KJV), Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

so, either the Lord JESUS is their "jehovah" or they LIED, else, the name "jehovah" is a LIE. their choice. just go to their web site and see for yourself. someone must have been asleep at the wheel when translating those verses of scripture.

101G.

What you miss

If you refer to another of like character you need to identify who it is that Jehovah (Christ Jesus) is like unto

and explain how that does not identify two persons.

 

[TomL]

did you read post #29? a voice, did the scriptures say it was the Father's voice? no. so why you "ASSUME" it was. again read post #29 for understanding the answer.

now the last time, Matthew 3:16 "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:" Matthew 3:17 "And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." NEVER, NEVER, ASSUME WHEN THE BIBLE DO NOT SAY SO. ..... ok.

and two, Jehovah is not God's PERSONAL NAME, that's a false man-made up name. ...... (smile).

101G.

If you read what i stated

You will see I never mentioned the word Father

You still have not answered the question

Who was it calling Jevovah Christ his son?

Can you answer?