Trinitarian Training

Nice Thread. There is a lot we could all learn about the Trinity. You know that sometimes, as we get new information, things that once seemed mysterious to us are unraveled. We have seen real progress in knowledge in the history of science, medicine and other disciplines. But even if we increase our knowledge to the maximum point in human experience, we will always remain finite creatures who will not have the ability to comprehend all reality.

There are many truths that God reveals to us about Himself that are beyond our capacity to understand. Given the difference between the exalted character of God and our status as created beings, this difficulty should not surprise us. We may come to greater understanding of many of these mysterious truths at some future point in redemptive history. However, even then we may never fully understand some truths.

So, something is a mystery to us if we lack understanding of it; this is quite different from a contradiction. Yet, no one understands a contradiction either. It is this similarity that leads to the idea that the Trinity is a contradiction. We can rush to judgment and say, “If we don’t understand something, it must be irrational, it must be a contradiction.”

But that’s not necessarily the case. It is true that contradictions cannot be understood because they are inherently unintelligible, but not everything that seems to be a contradiction is a contradiction. Some apparent contradictions are mysteries.

Lets clear up some mysteries about the Trinity here and now.
Sounds good to me. Mysteries are often nothing more than blocks in understand because we refuse to simply accept what is often clearly stated. Often times our traditions get in the way. I call them "baggage". We carry them around and keep them close because we feel comfortable with them. Such is often wrong. I look forward to getting to know you!
 
The church has used the term Trinity to stop the mouths of the heretics, those who teach tritheism, the idea that there are three Gods and those who deny the tri-personality of God by insisting on some view of unitarianism. We might say that the word Trinity is a “shibboleth.”

Hebrew Trinitarian?

Maybe we can unravel the Tetragrammaton.....
 
You forget that there are things call personification in literature. 1John 1:1-3 explicitly calls the Word a thing, not a he, not a person, not God.
A thing did not “appear to us”, a person did! “I am the resurrection and the life” = “the word of life”!

Moreover, “the ‘thing’ was God” doesn’t work in John 1:1, and the two passages must agree. God is never a mere “thing”-never!

Doug
 
Sounds good to me. Mysteries are often nothing more than blocks in understand because we refuse to simply accept what is often clearly stated. Often times our traditions get in the way. I call them "baggage". We carry them around and keep them close because we feel comfortable with them. Such is often wrong. I look forward to getting to know you!
In my morning Mens group today I asked them what they thought about me doing a devotional next week teaching on the Trinity. They were all onboard with me for next Thursday mornings Mens discipleship discussion.

I’m going to relate the two becoming one in marriage and the body being many are one. Emphasis on unity of the Tri- Personal God. Letting them know the 3 in 1 is not math, a numerical equation but a composite , complex, compound unity and the roles / relationship within the Godhead like in marriage and the church.

What do you think ?
 
In my morning Mens group today I asked them what they thought about me doing a devotional next week teaching on the Trinity. They were all onboard with me for next Thursday mornings Mens discipleship discussion.

I’m going to relate the two becoming one in marriage and the body being many are one. Emphasis on unity of the Tri- Personal God. Letting them know the 3 in 1 is not math, a numerical equation but a composite , complex, compound unity and the roles / relationship within the Godhead like in marriage and the church.

What do you think ?

It is what we live brother! It is wonderful.
 
Sorry, I don't have a organization.

Unitarians all too often make the mistake of conflating their religion with Christianity because their teachings do not match what Jesus taught.
Your organization is called Trinitarianism. Why? Because you teach things Jesus never taught. Show one doctrine from your organization that Jesus talked about please.
 
I like it. Here is so food for thought.


We have just finished examining how our physical relationships as children reflects both our relationship to God as children (we are children of God), as well as one of the aspects of the Trinity (Jesus is the Son of God). Now we will move on to look at how marriage helps us understand our relationship to God as part of His Bride, the Church.

The marriage relationship is the only relationship covered in this book that has some grounding in choice. Marriage is also the one God-ordained institution that this book will cover. An institution is a relationship or entity that God has established but would likely not otherwise exist. In other words, marriage is God’s idea. The marriage relationship takes two people from two different biological families and unites them into a new family. The unity of marriage is ordained by God in Genesis and is bound with a covenant.

Part 2 will start with our shared experience (chapter 4), then move on to what the Bible has to say about how marriage works best (chapters 5 and 6), and will finish by reflecting on how marriage serves as a metaphor for our relationship to God (chapter 7).


Experience
When I teach this material in Christian circles, I ask, “What comes to mind when I say ‘marriage’ or ‘spouse’”? I often get a plethora of answers. Most of them can be consolidated into these five conceptions of marriage:

• Choice

• Covenant

• Lasting

• Growth Together

• Hard

Two of these items—“lasting” and “hard”—could be subcategories of one of the others (“lasting” could easily be addressed under “covenant,” and “hard” could be addressed beneath “growth together”). But, like the stage of “young men” in the previous section on children, I think these two topics bear special consideration within our cultural context; thus, we will briefly consider all of these before looking at the experiences of some biblical figures.

Choice
Marriage begins with the choice of who you are going to marry. But the start of the spousal relationship is merely the beginning. There are choices we make on a daily basis that affect this relationship. Marriage is also the one relationship covered in this book that we can choose to end once it has begun. You will always be a child (and possibly a sibling or a parent) to someone. The marriage relationship is the only one in which we can refer to an “ex.”

Jesus makes it very clear that this is not God’s plan (see Matthew 19:1–12), but it is possible. This is also the one relationship that is most contingent upon our choices, which are the only choices we can control. Sometimes the choices we make for and within a marriage are extremely positive and healthy, and sometimes the choices we make within a marriage are unhealthy and detrimental. Hopefully this section will help equip you to make good and right decisions for your marriage.

Covenant
“Covenant” is the church answer to “What comes to mind when I say, ‘marriage’ or ‘spouse’”? Marriage is a covenant, because it is designed to reflect the Church’s relationship to Christ. A covenant is different from a contract, because a covenant runs deeper than a contract for two reasons.

The first reason is because there are no laws governing covenants. A covenant stands above the law. Two countries cannot really enter into a contract with one another, because they are each sovereign in their own rights. They form their own laws. Two countries could, however, enter into a covenant with one another. Similarly, in marriage two human beings enter into a covenant with one another before their Creator—who is not beholden to any law established by those He created. In this instance, it is not that the relationship is unable to be regulated by law; but, rather, before whom that relationship is being established.

Second, because a covenant is not like a contract, there are no quid pro quo (this for that) stipulations, meaning “If you do the dishes, then I’ll mow the lawn.” Quite the opposite. The expectation of a covenant is that you do your portion regardless of whether the other entity does their’s. You are the only one responsible for whether or not your side fulfills the covenant. That is why all the language of marriage vows are forward looking and wide ranging. You covenant for richer or for poorer, in sickness or in health, for better or worse. You covenant for no matter what. For this reason, we need to focus on our own duties in marriage more than our spouse’s.

It is a dangerous and risky thing to enter into a covenant. What you will find is that many of our marriages often retreat into contractual relationships instead of covenants, but at its core marriage is a covenantal relationship. Ultimately, a covenant demands the characteristic of spiritual maturity we saw in part 1—faith and trust.

Lasting
Since marriage is covenantal, it is designed to last beyond (and in spite of) other relationships. It also supersedes the other relationships explored in this book. And it is why many marriage vows are future looking, anticipating events and scenarios that have yet to happen. You are tying yourself to this person for better or worse. Whether they make millions or end up on the street. If they develop a perpetual illness or are the picture of health. You stick with them. You are their person.
This is something we do not seem to consider before marriage, and it is all too apparent after marriage. What is not, perhaps, as obvious is how quickly our marriages can disintegrate. Many months and years of baby steps toward disunity or one night of foolishness can damage our marriages and the lives of the many to whom we tie ourselves through marriage (spouses, children, in-laws, etc.). Marriage is a “long game,” to use a golf analogy, and one that many fail at due to the attrition of years.

Growth Together
When we enter into marriage, we become one unit. That is the essence of the phrase “leave … and cleave” (Genesis 2:24 KJV) You abandon all other things and begin anew—a fresh start, a blank slate—with this person to whom you are attaching yourself.
But not all growth is pleasant. Indeed, most growth involves change. And change is hard and often avoided, which is why marriage covenants often retreat into marriage contracts—unwillingness to sacrifice for the other.

Hard
So yes, marriage is hard work. The marriage relationship is hard. Iron sharpening iron is a violent process (see Proverbs 27:17). It is full of heat and friction. But the yield of that heat and friction can be something beautiful.
If you are engaged or newly married, do not let this scare you. Rather, let it encourage you. Go back and read this list of five things. Can you imagine if these things are going right? Marriage can be a deeper and more fulfilling relationship than any you ever experience. Yes, it can be hard, but most things that are worthwhile usually are.

The last few pages felt heavy, because too often we have rose-colored glasses when it comes to marriage. But now I want to emphasize the positive. Imagine a relationship where you were chosen and with someone whom you chose; where you have a covenant that means you are loved in spite of internal and external circumstances; a relationship that is lasting, that is meant to stand the test of time; where you put in the hard work of growth together, and both individuals in the relationship come out as someone different and better. There is only one word for such a thing—beautiful.

Marriage is designed to span a lifetime. Thus, it is subject to seasons (which is why it must be governed through a covenant, so that the difficult seasons are punctuated by the joyful ones). Let’s take a look at four biblical examples of marriage that will help set the stage for the rest of this section.


Biblical Examples

The Bible is full of marriages. I have picked four in this section for a very specific reason, but I encourage you to overlay the principles covered in these chapters to other relationships in the Bible. Perhaps you have a particular character you like to study. Think about their marriage in light of the principles in this section to see what you can learn.

For the purposes of this book, though, I have chosen Adam and Eve, so we can examine the origin of the marital relationship; Jacob and Leah/Rachel, so we can examine God’s grace through dysfunction; Aquila and Priscilla, so that we might understand what a powerful force for ministry that a good marriage can be; and Hosea and Gomer, so we can feel the heartbeat of God’s unconditional love.


Adam and Eve – The First Marriage

The biography of Adam and Eve has significant ramifications for marriage, so I will spend considerable time diving into the creation narrative.

God created marriage in Genesis. It is the first interhuman relationship that He creates, and it has built within it the capacity to create all the other relationships explored in this book. Since marriage is the origin of these other relationships, we must look carefully at the two narratives in Genesis that expound upon the creation and joining together of Adam and Eve (Genesis 1:26–30; 2:7, 15–25). This narrative will show us the purpose of marriage, the tasks of marriage, and the unity of marriage. Since we will dive in relatively deep, I am going to include the verse numbers (I usually avoid this, because Scripture is easier to read without them). I would encourage you not to just skip over the passage if you think you know it, but read it carefully and slowly, looking for truths about marriage.

So let’s start with Genesis 1:26–30:
26Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

27So God created man in his own image
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.

28And God blessed them. And God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” 29And God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food. 30And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” And it was so. And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

God makes man in His image (v. 26), and creates male and female (v. 27). He gives them the directive to multiply and have dominion (v. 28). This story is further expanded in Genesis 2 (vv. 7, 15–25), where the author shows exactly how the man and woman from 1:26–27 came to be:

7Then the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature… 15The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and keep it. 16And the LORD commanded the man, saying, “You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, 17but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

18Then the LORD God said, “It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make a helper fit for him.” 19Now out of the ground the LORD God had formed every beast of the field and every bird of the heavens and brought them to the man to see what he would call them. And whatever the man called every living creature, that was its name. 20The man gave names to all livestock and to the birds of the heavens and to every beast of the field. But for Adam there was not found a helper fit for him. 21So the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and while he slept took one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh. 22And the rib that the LORD God had taken from the man he made into a woman and brought her to the man. 23The man said,

“This at last is bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh
she shall be called Woman,
because she was taken out of Man.”

24Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. 25And the man and his wife were both naked and were not ashamed.

In 2:19, the writer is very careful to delineate that everything came “out of the ground.” But nothing that came out of the ground was suitable as a helper for Adam (v. 20). Presumably, male and female of every other species was created “out of the ground.”
But woman is special.

She is unique.
She is not like every other female in the earthly creation. She is made out of another creature. She is of the same stuff as Adam. She is a piece of him, and yet uniquely apart from him. Thus, in order to be made whole, a man must “leave his father and mother”—who, by the way, he is also a part of—and “hold fast to his wife” (v. 24). Interestingly, this directive is provided before there are actually any “fathers” and “mothers” on the scene.
So, why does God create and ordain this institution of marriage?
The answer—I think—is found in verses 1:28 and 2:18.
 
Your organization is called Trinitarianism. Why? Because you teach things Jesus never taught. Show one doctrine from your organization that Jesus talked about please.
Your organization is called Unitarianism. Why? Because you teach things Jesus never taught. Show one doctrine from your organization that Jesus talked about please.

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You forget that there are things call personification in literature. 1John 1:1-3 explicitly calls the Word a thing, not a he, not a person, not God. Words aren't a person are they? You're supposed to intuitively know that when you speak your words aren't a person. John was only being poetic hence the Word is not The God. Isn't God always The God? The Word is not The God, therefore the Word is not literally God.


Why is Jesus called the Word?​



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The designation of Jesus as “the Word” holds profound significance in Christian theology, encompassing themes of creation, revelation, incarnation, and redemption. This title originates from the opening verses of the Gospel of John, where the apostle John presents a majestic prologue that establishes the identity and role of Christ. To explore why Christ is called the Word, we must delve into the theological depth of this concept, drawing upon references from the Bible.

The Gospel of John begins with a striking declaration that sets the stage for the rest of the narrative: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God” (John 1:1 NKJV). This opening statement immediately introduces Christ as “the Word” (Greek: Λόγος, Logos), who existed from eternity past, was in intimate relationship with God the Father, and shared the divine nature.

Logos in Greek means, “utterance,” “saying,” “speech,” and “account.” Logos is commonly used for both creative (Psalms 33:6; Genesis 1:3, 6, 9, etc.) and communicative (Jeremiah 1:4; Ezekiel 1:3; Amos 3:1) expressions of the divine thought and will. In the past, the Lord has revealed His divine plans and purposes through these avenues.

John goes on to affirm the preexistence and creative agency of Christ: “All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made” (John 1:3 NKJV). Here, the Word is portrayed as the divine agent through whom God brought the entire cosmos into existence. This echoes the language of Genesis 1, where God speaks creation into being by His Son.

.....................................Note: The Word was with God in Genesis. The Word made vocal what God wanted said.

In John 1:14 (NKJV), the apostle John makes a remarkable assertion: “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.” This verse encapsulates the doctrine of the Incarnation—the belief that the eternal Word of God took on human flesh in the person of Jesus Christ. Through the Incarnation, the Word became the ultimate revelation of God to humanity, embodying His grace, truth, and glory.

Christ became a human to reveal the Father’s infinite love. He came to partake of our experiences, to leave us an example (John 13:15), to help us in temptation (Matthew 6:13), to die for our sins (John 3:16), and to represent us without blame before the Father (Hebrews 2:14–17). The eternal Word, who had ever been with the Father, became Immanuel, “God with us” (Matthew 1:23). “Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends” (John 15:13).

The concept of the Word also conveys the idea of divine communication or self-expression. In John 1:18 (NKJV), John declares, “No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.” Christ serves as the divine revealer who makes known the character, will, and purposes of God to humanity. Through his teachings, actions, and ultimately his sacrificial death and resurrection, the Son reveals the Father’s love, righteousness, and redemptive plan.

The Word is not merely an abstract concept or message but a personal being—the second Person of the Trinity—who actively communicates with humanity. In John 10:30 (NKJV), Christ declares, “I and My Father are one,” affirming His essential unity and identity with the Father. Through Christ, God speaks to humanity in a personal, relational manner, inviting them into communion with Himself.

The designation of Christ as the Word finds resonance with various Old Testament passages that speak of God’s word as powerful, creative, and revelatory. For example, Psalm 33:6 (NKJV) states, “By the word of the Lord the heavens were made, and all the host of them by the breath of His mouth.” Christ embodies and fulfills these prophetic images of the divine Word in human form.

The incarnation of the Word in Christ represents the pinnacle of God’s self-disclosure to humanity. In Colossians 1:15-20 (NKJV), the apostle Paul describes Christ as the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation, and the one in whom all things hold together. This cosmic Christology underscores the universal significance of Christ’s.

In Christ, “dwells all the fullness of the Godhead [<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Colossians+2:9&amp;version=NKJV#fen-NKJV-29504a" target="_blank" rel="noopener">a</a>]bodily” (Colossians 2:9, NKJV). Nevertheless, “in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people” (Hebrews 2:17, NKJV). The Son was one with the Father from the days of eternity. But He chose to leave the throne of the universe and step down to earth in order that He might dwell among us, and make us acquainted with His divine character.

Finally, the Word invites a response of faith and obedience from humanity. In John 3:16-18 (NKJV), Christ declares, “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” Faith in Christ as the incarnate Word is the means by which individuals are reconciled to God, receive forgiveness of sins, and inherit eternal life.

In conclusion, the title of Jesus as “the Word” encompasses themes of creation, revelation, incarnation, and redemption. Through the Word, God communicates His divine will and purpose to humanity, ultimately culminating in the person of Christ—the Word made flesh. As believers contemplate the significance of Christ as the Word, they are invited into a deeper understanding of God’s self-disclosure and a transformative relationship with the Godhead.
 
Incarnation means God becomes flesh.

by your reasoning since unitarian is not mentioned in the bible its not true and is a false teaching, false doctrine made up by man.

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Not according to Scripture. Every time something "became" something else it didn't pre-exist as a person. Became doesn't mean incarnation.

Also, no statements about God becoming a man in the Bible.
 
A thing did not “appear to us”, a person did! “I am the resurrection and the life” = “the word of life”!

Moreover, “the ‘thing’ was God” doesn’t work in John 1:1, and the two passages must agree. God is never a mere “thing”-never!

Doug
Your interpretation doesn't work. For one, Jesus didn't believe Jesus is God according to his statements in his prayer in Acts 4:23-31 and John explained that the Word is a thing because the Word is actually eternal life.

1 John 1
1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our own eyes, which we have gazed upon and touched with our own hands—this is the Word of life. 2And this is the life that was revealed; we have seen it and testified to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life that was with the Father and was revealed to us.
 
Your organization is called Unitarianism. Why? Because you teach things Jesus never taught. Show one doctrine from your organization that Jesus talked about please.

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Check mate.

John 17:3
1When Jesus had spoken these things, He lifted up His eyes to heaven and said, “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son may glorify You. 2For You granted Him authority over all people,a so that He may give eternal life to all those You have given Him. 3Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.
 
Your organization is called Trinitarianism. Why? Because you teach things Jesus never taught. Show one doctrine from your organization that Jesus talked about please.
One more time. I have no organization. I'm a non denotational Christian. Also I do not teach, I share my opinions.

Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

Don't you believe that I am one with the Father and that the Father is one with me? What I say isn't said on my own. The Father who lives in me does these things.
John 14:9-10
 

Why is Jesus called the Word?​



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Table of Contents
The designation of Jesus as “the Word” holds profound significance in Christian theology, encompassing themes of creation, revelation, incarnation, and redemption. This title originates from the opening verses of the Gospel of John, where the apostle John presents a majestic prologue that establishes the identity and role of Christ. To explore why Christ is called the Word, we must delve into the theological depth of this concept, drawing upon references from the Bible.

The Gospel of John begins with a striking declaration that sets the stage for the rest of the narrative: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God” (John 1:1 NKJV). This opening statement immediately introduces Christ as “the Word” (Greek: Λόγος, Logos), who existed from eternity past, was in intimate relationship with God the Father, and shared the divine nature.

Logos in Greek means, “utterance,” “saying,” “speech,” and “account.” Logos is commonly used for both creative (Psalms 33:6; Genesis 1:3, 6, 9, etc.) and communicative (Jeremiah 1:4; Ezekiel 1:3; Amos 3:1) expressions of the divine thought and will. In the past, the Lord has revealed His divine plans and purposes through these avenues.

John goes on to affirm the preexistence and creative agency of Christ: “All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made” (John 1:3 NKJV). Here, the Word is portrayed as the divine agent through whom God brought the entire cosmos into existence. This echoes the language of Genesis 1, where God speaks creation into being by His Son.

.....................................Note: The Word was with God in Genesis. The Word made vocal what God wanted said.

In John 1:14 (NKJV), the apostle John makes a remarkable assertion: “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.” This verse encapsulates the doctrine of the Incarnation—the belief that the eternal Word of God took on human flesh in the person of Jesus Christ. Through the Incarnation, the Word became the ultimate revelation of God to humanity, embodying His grace, truth, and glory.

Christ became a human to reveal the Father’s infinite love. He came to partake of our experiences, to leave us an example (John 13:15), to help us in temptation (Matthew 6:13), to die for our sins (John 3:16), and to represent us without blame before the Father (Hebrews 2:14–17). The eternal Word, who had ever been with the Father, became Immanuel, “God with us” (Matthew 1:23). “Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends” (John 15:13).

The concept of the Word also conveys the idea of divine communication or self-expression. In John 1:18 (NKJV), John declares, “No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.” Christ serves as the divine revealer who makes known the character, will, and purposes of God to humanity. Through his teachings, actions, and ultimately his sacrificial death and resurrection, the Son reveals the Father’s love, righteousness, and redemptive plan.

The Word is not merely an abstract concept or message but a personal being—the second Person of the Trinity—who actively communicates with humanity. In John 10:30 (NKJV), Christ declares, “I and My Father are one,” affirming His essential unity and identity with the Father. Through Christ, God speaks to humanity in a personal, relational manner, inviting them into communion with Himself.

The designation of Christ as the Word finds resonance with various Old Testament passages that speak of God’s word as powerful, creative, and revelatory. For example, Psalm 33:6 (NKJV) states, “By the word of the Lord the heavens were made, and all the host of them by the breath of His mouth.” Christ embodies and fulfills these prophetic images of the divine Word in human form.

The incarnation of the Word in Christ represents the pinnacle of God’s self-disclosure to humanity. In Colossians 1:15-20 (NKJV), the apostle Paul describes Christ as the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation, and the one in whom all things hold together. This cosmic Christology underscores the universal significance of Christ’s.

In Christ, “dwells all the fullness of the Godhead [<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Colossians+2:9&amp;version=NKJV#fen-NKJV-29504a" target="_blank" rel="noopener">a</a>]bodily” (Colossians 2:9, NKJV). Nevertheless, “in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people” (Hebrews 2:17, NKJV). The Son was one with the Father from the days of eternity. But He chose to leave the throne of the universe and step down to earth in order that He might dwell among us, and make us acquainted with His divine character.

Finally, the Word invites a response of faith and obedience from humanity. In John 3:16-18 (NKJV), Christ declares, “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” Faith in Christ as the incarnate Word is the means by which individuals are reconciled to God, receive forgiveness of sins, and inherit eternal life.

In conclusion, the title of Jesus as “the Word” encompasses themes of creation, revelation, incarnation, and redemption. Through the Word, God communicates His divine will and purpose to humanity, ultimately culminating in the person of Christ—the Word made flesh. As believers contemplate the significance of Christ as the Word, they are invited into a deeper understanding of God’s self-disclosure and a transformative relationship with the Godhead.
Jesus and the Word of God are two seperate things:

Revelation 20
4Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
 
One more time. I have no organization. I'm a non denotational Christian. Also I do not teach, I share my opinions.

Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

Don't you believe that I am one with the Father and that the Father is one with me? What I say isn't said on my own. The Father who lives in me does these things.
John 14:9-10
Scriptures says that the oneness Jesus has with God is identical to what believers have with God and share with each other.

John 17
21that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.
22I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one— 23I in them and You in Me—that they may be perfectly united, so that the world may know that You sent Me and have loved them just as You have loved Me.

1 Corinthians 6
17But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with Him in spirit.
 
Jesus and the Word of God are two seperate things:

Revelation 20
4Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
Quite a faulty understanding of Rev 20:4.

No matter... now YOU are calling Jesus a thing.

For shame.

Have you removed John 1 from your bible? How can you allow such a thing ruin the rest of it?

Double For shame.

You have proof that John 1:14 from the NWT

So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of divine favor and truth.

Or at the very least type up your proof and place it at John 1 so anyone reading
will know John lied.
 
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