Transmitting The Fallen Nature

So, what you're saying is that we're all created innocent, like Adam, and prone to sin, like Adam. So God created humans to be deficient so that There is none righteous, no, not one; 11 There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God. That's what God created. It has nothing to do with being fallen, right?
Here is what God had to say about the gentile Job.

Job 1:1- There was a man in the land of Uz; his name was Job. The man was perfect and righteous and worshiped God and departed from evil.

so much for none righteous eh ?

and I can give you many others God said were righteous in His sight.

hope this helps !!!
 
At least he understood the CONSEQUENCES of choosing EVIL over God's commands. I don'e see ant "change" in his HUMAN NATURE, though. He decided to toss God under the bus with his "Perfect" and "Innocent" nature. There WAS a significant change in his ENVIRONMENT, since the "Ground" was cursed for his sake, and the Creation was made subject to "Vanity" (Rom 8:20).
It's like the change in nature when one goes from a innocence little child to one who now knows good and evil
 
Here is what God had to say about the gentile Job.

Job 1:1- There was a man in the land of Uz; his name was Job. The man was perfect and righteous and worshiped God and departed from evil.

so much for none righteous eh ?

and I can give you many others God said were righteous in His sight.

hope this helps !!!

Where does it say in Job that he was perfect and righteous on his own steam without the benefit of God?
 
Here is what God had to say about the gentile Job.

Job 1:1- There was a man in the land of Uz; his name was Job. The man was perfect and righteous and worshiped God and departed from evil.

so much for none righteous eh ?

and I can give you many others God said were righteous in His sight.

hope this helps !!!

So you reject the scripture that says there is no one righteous? Have you considered that God made some people righteous, but they were by default unrighteous, unable to understand, did not seek God, etc.? That would make both scriptures true. Otherwise you've got a scriptural contradiction.
 
So you reject the scripture that says there is no one righteous? Have you considered that God made some people righteous, but they were by default unrighteous, unable to understand, did not seek God, etc.? That would make both scriptures true. Otherwise you've got a scriptural contradiction.
context is the law and righteousness.

nice try.
 
Its more than nothing

All were born without that original innocence and now knew good and evil
SO you're preaching the 'ol "Original sin" foolishness??? That's what Roman Catholic Paedobaptism is supposed to "Wash away". A Baby doesn't even know where its nose is, let alone "Good and Evil".
So, what you're saying is that we're all created innocent, like Adam, and prone to sin, like Adam.
Yup - that covers it nicely. "Sin Nature" is a Theological fantasy. We've all just got a HUMAN NATURE like Adam, and Jesus.
 
So, what you're saying is that we're all created innocent, like Adam, and prone to sin, like Adam.
Yup - that about covers it nicely. For sure, I became a sinner as soon as I could - just like you did. And the 20 years later, I was convicted of my SIN by the Holy Spirit, and became Born Again. The rest is just "theology".
 
SO you're preaching the 'ol "Original sin" foolishness??? That's what Roman Catholic Paedobaptism is supposed to "Wash away". A Baby doesn't even know where its nose is, let alone "Good and Evil".

Yup - that covers it nicely. "Sin Nature" is a Theological fantasy. We've all just got a HUMAN NATURE like Adam, and Jesus.
Give it up

No mention of paedobaptism in my post

so save the guilt by association tactici
 
So you reject the scripture that says there is no one righteous? Have you considered that God made some people righteous, but they were by default unrighteous, unable to understand, did not seek God, etc.? That would make both scriptures true. Otherwise you've got a scriptural contradiction.
No one righteous according to law but

All these were declared Righteous, just, pleased God, worshiped God



Able - Hebrews 11:4; 1 John 3:12

Lot - 2 Peter 2:7

Noah - Genesis 6:9; 7:1

Job - Job 1:1; 34:5

Abraham - Galatians 3:6

Lydia - Acts 16:14

Cornelius - Acts 10:22

Zechariah - Luke 1:5-6

Elizabeth - Luke 1:5-6

Joseph Matthew 1:19; Luke 23:50

Simeon Luke 2:25

Enoch Hebrews 11:5
 
SO you're preaching the 'ol "Original sin" foolishness??? That's what Roman Catholic Paedobaptism is supposed to "Wash away". A Baby doesn't even know where its nose is, let alone "Good and Evil".

Yup - that covers it nicely. "Sin Nature" is a Theological fantasy. We've all just got a HUMAN NATURE like Adam, and Jesus.

Adam had a different nature until he ate the fruit. Then his nature changed. He was aware he was naked and felt ashamed. We don't live like Adam did until we sin. We inherit his condition after his nature was changed.

And by the way, I couldn't care less about Roman Catholic practices. That doesn't prove anything one way or another.
 
Adam had a different nature until he ate the fruit. Then his nature changed. He was aware he was naked and felt ashamed. We don't live like Adam did until we sin. We inherit his condition after his nature was changed.

And by the way, I couldn't care less about Roman Catholic practices. That doesn't prove anything one way or another.
Nowhere does the Bible say or imply Adam’s nature changed . That’s a man made false assumption.

Eisegesis 101.

hope this helps !!!
 
I didn't know God made defective creatures one at a time.
Every person who believes that we are born in sin or as sinful or unable to be HIS bride and enter HIS heaven without redemption believes that HE made us defective though they hide that from themselves and call it something else. to be able to deny it..

The only theology that I know of that teaches that everyone made HIS image was created pure and innocent, not enslaved to sin nor under cause of death and only became sinful by their own free will decision, is the theology of our pre-earth, pre-conception existence and fall.
 
SO you're preaching the 'ol "Original sin" foolishness??? That's what Roman Catholic Paedobaptism is supposed to "Wash away". A Baby doesn't even know where its nose is, let alone "Good and Evil".

Yup - that covers it nicely. "Sin Nature" is a Theological fantasy. We've all just got a HUMAN NATURE like Adam, and Jesus.
Jacob and Esau were trying to murder each other in the womb by 'crushing each other to pieces' (wrestle or jostle is a lie) because, as GOD told Rebecca, they both wanted to be the first born ! proof they were intelligent and aware !
and
since death is NOT the natural consequence of life as some preach, but is the wages for being sinful and the unborn do die proving their sinfulness,
then obviously your assertion does not agree with scripture.
 
Yup - that about covers it nicely. For sure, I became a sinner as soon as I could - just like you did. And the 20 years later, I was convicted of my SIN by the Holy Spirit, and became Born Again. The rest is just "theology".
DEATH proves sinfulness of the human race, not the supposed first sin of a human of some mysterious magical age...
 
I remember attending a Baptist church where they believed in an age of accountability. Your sins didn't count until you reached that age. Total nonsense.
From soteriology 101

Though not explicitly set forth in scripture (much like infant salvation which also is not explicitly taught) the principles for the AoA are quite plain in the text.

First, the bible is clear that “each of us will give an account of himself to God.” (Rom 14:12)

Can a two-year-old baby who tragically dies in a car accident give this accounting of himself to God? Can the mentally handicapped? Difficult circumstances like these lead us to ponder on such questions as to when one is held accountable for their sins before God.

Scriptures do not speak so much about a specific age[1] but simply to a time in everyone’s life when God’s truth is clearly made known. When a child comes to understand that they have sinned against God and deserve punishment due to their sins, then and only then can they give an account of their wrongdoings. This is why we reference them being as being “accountable” (able to give an account for sin) or “responsible” (able to respond to Christ’s appeal). Some even prefer the “age of responsibility” because it connotes the child’s ability-to-respond of his own volition to the word’s of Christ, after all, every one of us will be judged by those very words:

“He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day.” (John 12:48)

Let us look at some passages in scripture which convey these principles. According to John’s account, Christ indicates that one’s accountability depends, at least in part, upon one’s understanding of sin:

John 15:22: “If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin.”

or

John 9:41: Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no sin; but since you say, ‘We see,’ your sin remains.”

Paul likewise seems to indicate this same principle:

Romans 7:9-10: “I was once alive apart from the Law; but when the commandment came, sin became alive and I died; and this commandment, which was to result in life, proved to result in death for me…”

Another passage often used to support this principle is the story of King David’s loss of a child. David seems to presume that one day he would be reunited with him:

He said, “While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept; for I said, ‘Who knows, the LORD may be gracious to me, that the child may live.’ “But now he has died; why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me.” (2 Sam. 12:22-23)

It is also worth mentioning that Jesus spoke of allowing the children to come to him “for such is the kingdom of heaven” (Lk 18:16). And Jesus even uses a child as an example in one of his lessons declaring, “Anyone who becomes humble as this little child is the greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven.” Apparently, heaven is made up of such, which certainly gives much credence to David’s words and actions after the death of his own son.

Am I meaning to suggest that children do not have the inevitable curse of sin upon them? No, it is only to say that God, in His graciousness, does not hold them accountable while they remain in their ignorance. As recorded in John 9:41, they are not held to account for the sins they did in ignorance. Other passages seem to indicate that God does graciously pass over sins because of his loving patience toward fallen humanity:

“For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.” (Rom. 3:23-26)

And

“Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation, namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.” (2 Cor. 5:18-19)

The AoA principle can also be found in the Old Testament narrative. For instance, when God banned the unfaithful Israelites from entering the promised land he did so based upon age and ignorance:

“Moreover, your little ones who you said would become a prey, and your sons, who this day have no knowledge of good or evil, shall enter there, and I will give it to them and they shall possess it.” (Dt. 1:39)

Likewise, when the prophet Isaiah foretold of the Messiah’s coming he spoke of when a boy “will know enough to refuse evil and choose good,” suggesting there is a time in the child’s life he remains without enough knowledge to make accountable moral choices (Isa. 7:16).

So too, the prophet Ezekiel seems to strongly indicate that guilt was not imputed from one’s parents, which would seem to contradict the idea that all people are born guilty for the sins of those who have come before him:

“The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.” (Ezek. 18:20)
 
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