Diserner
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Not my post
Transmitting The Fallen Nature
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Diserner
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Sorry Bob It looks like dizerner's Somehow got my name on them
its called mortality
Everyone inherits it as a consequence of Adam's sin
Expulsion from the garden and the tree of life
Genesis 3:22–24 (KJV 1900) — 22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: 23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. 24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
e v e
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the current nature is not human.
It's sin and flesh nature.
Not from God. Nature here IS sin nature.
e v e
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babies as lil souls have no sin.
only the effect from adam.
it's their bodies that are sin nature, just as yours and all here living in the fleshbody are in sin nature.
..this body.
Diserner
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That's the best explanation I've heard so far. And I would imagine that's why we get a new bodies for eternity in heaven.
That the flesh is inherently sinful is a gnostic notion
Then what are we by nature, aliens?
e v e
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yes....
e v e
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we are now in a body caused by adam's action. A corruption... the flesh wars with God being of the nature of sin and death, and dies. It is death. As God warned.
My point is that it is not nature that sins, it is our person who sins. God did not create a sinful nature. He is not a pagan god that creates sinful things. It is us who sin and degrade ourselves. Granted, our bodies do decay and die but that is a consequence of Adam's sin and not because God is in the business of creating sinful nature.
e v e
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what is alien is the flesh body
So you believe Adam had a different flesh?
e v e
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yes.. It's not the one we are all in after the fall...
which is sin nature.
The rapture represents being restored to
God in our original intended state and not something new.
Do you have a verse which noted Adam experienced a change of flesh?
e v e
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he did not die. and i never said his flesh changed. i only commented on those of us here. adam is not and was never on the earth where we are.
So what was that?
Where was the garden then; where were they?
Genesis 1:9–2:8 (KJV 1900) — 9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. 11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And the evening and the morning were the third day. 14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. 20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. 23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. 24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. 1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. 4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. 8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
e v e
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the garden was not on this earth. It is in the other reality and we got separated from it after being separated from God.
We will be restored to eden and God, meaning to walk with Him again in eden paradise.
