Transmitting The Fallen Nature

[synergy]

Rude means you keep ignoring what the other is saying, and keep repeating the reason why he told you he wanted to take it to another avenue to be free to discuss it.

Civic just opened up for us such a thread....

To show that I'm not rude, I did put my comments into Civic's thread.

As for your "or the topic is dead" threat, what do you say about that rudeness?

 

[GeneZ]

To show that I'm not rude, I did put my comments into Civic's thread.

As for your "or the topic is dead" threat, what do you say about that rudeness?

It got you over there where it should be?

Then being rude is sometimes good.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Yes we are all flawed which is why we don't make judgements based on appearances.

If and when I need correcting, that is the Lord's job. Our job is to contend for the faith. We each must work out our own salvation with trembling and we ought to care for one another (and I thank you for your concern for me) but there is a fine line between care and control and when we start deciding what the other person must be and put them into boxes of our own making, then we have crossed the line into control.

I can assure you I do my own thinking and have never blindly followed the crowd. Indeed, I am fiercely independent. (much to the Lord's chagrin at times I'm sure ) Nor am I inclined to listen to only one pastor but have learned from many. I learnt very early on in my Christian life not to lean on my own understanding but to listen to others very carefully. I am a practical person and I think through situations with the word of God to it's logical outcome and to the best of my ability knowing that only by God's grace and the ministry of His Spirit can I come to the truth.

I am what I am by the grace of God.

I was once just like you when it came to the Atonement. I changed because I embraced what the Scriptures teach and expanded my knowledge of the Scriptures without any sense of being loyal to anyone but Christ. I find that few do this because you make enemies among "brethren" when you do. I question your attitude reality to your comments. Either way, you're right. You are not my servant. In my view, there are no Leaders left in the Church. Just a bunch of men competing for the same things. They have self marketing campaigns not ministries.

You are wrong when you say that you are what you are by the Grace of God. That puts you in the same category as the apostles. All the eyes and ears of the Church have long left this earth.

 

[praise_yeshua]

It got you over there where it should be?

Then being rude is sometimes good.

Trying to win an argument?

 

[GeneZ]

You are wrong when you say that you are what you are by the Grace of God. That puts you in the same category as the apostles. All the eyes and ears of the Church have long left this earth.

You are saying that what you are being today?
Is not by the grace of God? Because, you are not apostle???

Paul did not write the following to apostles only....
He wrote it to the entire Church in Corinth.

And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory,
are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory,
which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit." 2 Corinthians 3:18​

What they were more and more becoming was by the grace of God.

 

[GeneZ]

Have you seen me claim that Copeland is damned? Why would I claim such?
Do you not see how you've judged another condemned in the name of Christ? You're not the judge of anyone. I'm not either.

 

[praise_yeshua]

You are saying that what you are being today?
Is not by the grace of God? Because, you are not apostle???

Paul did not write the following to apostles only....
He wrote it to the entire Church in Corinth.

And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, ​

are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, ​

which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit." 2 Corinthians 3:18​

What they were more and more becoming was by the grace of God.

Funny... I thought it was by His Justice?

You have no privileges of rank above what is common to every born again Christian.

We are all encumbered with limitations. We are our own worst enemies. You can't blame God's Grace for your inadequacies. Neither can I.

 

[GeneZ]

Funny... I thought it was by His Justice?

You have no privileges of rank above what is common to every born again Christian.

We are all encumbered with limitations. We are our own worst enemies. You can't blame God's Grace for your inadequacies. Neither can I.

I'm sorry Praise....

We keep speaking to each other from two different worlds.

I want to take a break from you.

So... you will not be hearing from me directly for a while.

I'm probably doing you a big favor by doing that.

Have a Nice Day....

 

[praise_yeshua]

I'm sorry Praise....

We keep speaking to each other from two different worlds.

I want to take a break from you.

So... you will not be hearing from me directly for a while.

I'm probably doing you a big favor by doing that.

Have a Nice Day....

I can only go by what you say. I'm just repeating to your what you have said.

 

[sawdust]

Nor am I and i've thought about this before. I attribute it somewhat to when I was saved I didn't really come from any religious paradigm background. When I was a small child my parent took me to the United Church but stopped going at an early age I wasn't born again, saved never heard of such a thing. I got saved watching a Christian TV program one evening in May 1976,

I felt like no one owned me or could lay claim to me that I was a fruit of their labor and usually one gravitates towards believing what those who brought them into the Kingdom ...their beliefs should be yours. When some might say you're off Bible teaching my thought was look I have many voices saying they have the right Bible teaching.

When people would imply how educated they were in the field of Bible knowledge I'd ask to what Bible knowledge. All are claiming that. I wouldn't say i was bitter I really wasn't but I did have this in me. ...where were all you Bible knowledge experts when I needed to be saved? Why hadn't some of you people in my town preached the gospel to me.?

Why did I have to get it (and thank God he used it) but get it from a TV program even produced in another country. Why then should I consider you to be shepherds or God ordained instructors over my life? None said this to me but if any would have said you're being rebellious over not submitting to my insistence that you need to be here.....I would have maybe felt so inclined to do so if they had cared about me when i needed it.

When some say you're out of the orthodoxy of what real Christianity is I've always held I'll decide what the true orthodoxy of my beliefs should be and not you. If one states the true Christianity of the early church isn't the way you say so submit to my beliefs and thought I'll decide what that true beliefs were held by the early church. I read the scriptures myself to make sure things are so. Nobody absolutely nobody is going to do my thinking for me.

I could be wrong but I think if one has been raised all their lives under a certain umbrella of a religious teaching paradigm one can be more prone to consider their back ground must be right.

Sorry for rambling but I have thought about his through the years and have seen friends of mine that were raised a certain way.....it does seem hard for them to reassess what they believe.

I hear you.

I wasn't raised in a Christian home either. Why any of our walks are the way they are in leading us to Christ can seem strange, frustrating and even infuriating at times but I am convinced the Lord knows it all in advance and sets the pieces before us so that when the jigsaw comes together, we see a beautiful picture of grace and mercy. I have come to learn as I trusted Christ that getting things wrong was never the problem. It's refusing to be corrected, that is the problem.

The Lord be with you.

 

[sawdust]

You are wrong when you say that you are what you are by the Grace of God. That puts you in the same category as the apostles. All the eyes and ears of the Church have long left this earth.

It put's me in the same category as any who are saved.

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,

In my view, there are no Leaders left in the Church

"Oh ye of little faith". I am more than confident God keeps His "remnant" in every generation. Afterall, it is His body.

 

[GeneZ]

But you were arguing with yourself on that one because none of us ever said Christ is two persons. That was your assumption we had to be saying that even though we said you were wrong in your assumption.

There seems to be a problem with some here who appear to be looking for problems they know they can refute, but can not find anyone to refute them with. So we become the next best thing.

 

[sawdust]

There seems to be a problem with some here who appear to be looking for problems they know they can refute, but can not find anyone to refute them with. So we become the next best thing.

I can make it difficult when you find yourself arguing, not only what you are saying but also, what you are not saying.

 

[Johann]

The so-called fallen nature is believed to be propagated by fathers. Oh? Then
whence did Eve obtain it?

.
● Gen 3:6-7 . .When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it
was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she
took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate.
Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized that they were
naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loin coverings.

The so-called fallen nature is believed to be propagated by fathers. Oh? Then
whence did Eve obtain it?

She was already fully sentient and fully constructed from material taken from
Adam's body prior to the forbidden fruit incident. Since himself tasted the fruit after
his wife was already in existence; then it was impossible for Adam to pass the fallen
nature to her by means of reproduction.

In the past, I was sure that the chemistry of the forbidden fruit had something to
do with the first couple's altered moral perception; but now I seriously doubt it
because Eve was the first to eat the fruit, and when she did, nothing happened. She
remained just as comfortable in the buff as before. It wasn't till Adam tasted the
fruit that she began to feel indecent; so I'm pretty sure that the underlying cause is
far more serious than the chemistry of that fruit.

FAQ: If Eve's altered moral perception wasn't due to the fruit, nor due to Adam's
body, then what?

REPLY: Mr. Serpent is the logical source, a.k.a. the Devil (Rev 20:2) He has the
power of death (Heb 2:14) and the ability to tamper with the human body and the
human mind in ways not easily detected; e.g. Luke 13:16, Mark 5:1-5, and Eph 2:2.

The Serpent was apparently all set and ready to wield his power the moment that
Adam crossed the line and ate that fruit. It amazes me how quickly it takes effect.
Not long after Adam tasted the fruit, he and his wife both immediately set to work
cobbling together some rudimentary aprons to cover up their pelvic areas.

FAQ: Why wasn't the woman effected by the Serpent's power when she tasted the
forbidden fruit?

REPLY: It was apparently God's decision that if sin and death were to come into the
world, they would come via a lone male's actions just as life and righteousness
would later be offered to the world via a lone male's actions. (Rom 5:12-21)

FAQ: When does the Serpent go to work on people. . . in the womb or out of the
womb?

REPLY: Adam and his wife demonstrate that it can be done on adults, but I'm
guessing that for most of us it's in the womb. (Ps 51:5 & 58:3)

** I really have to hand it to the Serpent; he's very good at shifting blame away
from himself. For quite a few years now it's been traditional to believe parents
propagate the fallen nature; when it's been the Serpent all along. Jesus' statement:
"You are of your father the Devil" wasn't idle slander; rather, it was 100% fact.
(John 8:44)

How the Serpent has managed to deceive so many people for so long a time I don't
know, but what's really ironic about it is that there are people behind pulpits, and
chairing whole Sunday school departments, helping him do it as unsuspecting accomplices;
which goes to show that if an idea is repeated often enough, widely enough, and
loud enough by people held in high enough esteem; pretty soon it's accepted by the
masses as fact without thought or question. (the Asch Conformity Phenomenon)

A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong;
Gives it a superficial appearance of being right.
(Thomas Paine)
_

What did Thomas Paine believe in?

Paine became notorious because of his pamphlets and attacks on his former allies, who he felt had betrayed him. In The Age of Reason and other writings, he advocated Deism, promoted reason and free thought, and argued against religion in general and Christian doctrine in particular.

Sad, hey?

 

[Olde Tymer]

Airplane A leaves LAX at 250 mph. Airplane B leaves LAX twenty minutes later at 400 mph.

How long will it take plane B to catch up to plane A, and how far from the airport will the
intercept occur?

Start by finding the difference in the two airplanes' respective speeds

400 - 250 = 150 mph

Then calculate the distance that airplane A traveled during the 20 minutes
prior to airplane B's departure.

250 ÷ 60 = 4.167 miles per minute.

20 minutes x 4.167 = 83.34 miles.

Although airplane A will be farther away from LAX than 83.34 miles by the
time B catches up with it, the distance between the two airplanes will in the
meantime be shrinking due to B flying faster than A by a difference of 150
mph.

Next calculate how long it will take airplane B to cover 83.34 miles @ 150
mph

150 ÷ 60 = 2.5 miles per minute

83.34 ÷ 2.5 = 33.34 minutes

Then figure out how far airplane A can travel in 33.34 minutes at 250 mph

250 ÷ 60 = 4.167 miles per minute

33.34 x 4.167 = 138.93

Combine 138.93 with 83.34 to obtain the distance from LAX when the two
airplanes intercept.

138.93 + 83.34 = 222.27 miles
_

 

[GeneZ]

.
● Gen 3:6-7 . .When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it
was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she
took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate.
Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized that they were
naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loin coverings.

The so-called fallen nature is believed to be propagated by fathers. Oh? Then
whence did Eve obtain it?

She was already fully sentient and fully constructed from material taken from
Adam's body prior to the forbidden fruit incident. Since himself tasted the fruit after
his wife was already in existence; then it was impossible for Adam to pass the fallen
nature to her by means of reproduction.

In the past, I was sure that the chemistry of the forbidden fruit had something to
do with the first couple's altered moral perception; but now I seriously doubt it
because Eve was the first to eat the fruit, and when she did, nothing happened. She
remained just as comfortable in the buff as before. It wasn't till Adam tasted the
fruit that she began to feel indecent; so I'm pretty sure that the underlying cause is
far more serious than the chemistry of that fruit.

FAQ: If Eve's altered moral perception wasn't due to the fruit, nor due to Adam's
body, then what?

REPLY: Mr. Serpent is the logical source, a.k.a. the Devil (Rev 20:2) He has the
power of death (Heb 2:14) and the ability to tamper with the human body and the
human mind in ways not easily detected; e.g. Luke 13:16, Mark 5:1-5, and Eph 2:2.

The Serpent was apparently all set and ready to wield his power the moment that
Adam crossed the line and ate that fruit. It amazes me how quickly it takes effect.
Not long after Adam tasted the fruit, he and his wife both immediately set to work
cobbling together some rudimentary aprons to cover up their pelvic areas.

FAQ: Why wasn't the woman effected by the Serpent's power when she tasted the
forbidden fruit?

REPLY: It was apparently God's decision that if sin and death were to come into the
world, they would come via a lone male's actions just as life and righteousness
would later be offered to the world via a lone male's actions. (Rom 5:12-21)

FAQ: When does the Serpent go to work on people. . . in the womb or out of the
womb?

REPLY: Adam and his wife demonstrate that it can be done on adults, but I'm
guessing that for most of us it's in the womb. (Ps 51:5 & 58:3)

** I really have to hand it to the Serpent; he's very good at shifting blame away
from himself. For quite a few years now it's been traditional to believe parents
propagate the fallen nature; when it's been the Serpent all along. Jesus' statement:
"You are of your father the Devil" wasn't idle slander; rather, it was 100% fact.
(John 8:44)

How the Serpent has managed to deceive so many people for so long a time I don't
know, but what's really ironic about it is that there are people behind pulpits, and
chairing whole Sunday school departments, helping him do it as unsuspecting accomplices;
which goes to show that if an idea is repeated often enough, widely enough, and
loud enough by people held in high enough esteem; pretty soon it's accepted by the
masses as fact without thought or question. (the Asch Conformity Phenomenon)

A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong;
Gives it a superficial appearance of being right.
(Thomas Paine)
_

Cut your brain off from oxygen for too long and you get permanent brain damage.

Eating the fruit and it cuts you off from God for too long and you will end up with permanent brain damage as well.

God worked out the details as to how the sin nature began.
Man must stop seeing God as incompetent and needing to lie.
That when He says what He says about the flesh? Its true.

 

[GeneZ]

Start by finding the difference in the two airplanes' respective speeds

400 - 250 = 150 mph

Then calculate the distance that airplane A traveled during the 20 minutes
prior to airplane B's departure.

250 ÷ 60 = 4.167 miles per minute.

20 minutes x 4.167 = 83.34 miles.

Although airplane A will be farther away from LAX than 83.34 miles by the
time B catches up with it, the distance between the two airplanes will in the
meantime be shrinking due to B flying faster than A by a difference of 150
mph.

Next calculate how long it will take airplane B to cover 83.34 miles @ 150
mph

150 ÷ 60 = 2.5 miles per minute

83.34 ÷ 2.5 = 33.34 minutes

Then figure out how far airplane A can travel in 33.34 minutes at 250 mph

250 ÷ 60 = 4.167 miles per minute

33.34 x 4.167 = 138.93

Combine 138.93 with 83.34 to obtain the distance from LAX when the two
airplanes intercept.

138.93 + 83.34 = 222.27 miles
_

Hey! Fifth grade! Right? Those were such good years.

Thanks for the nostalgia...

How slow does one have to be to find God?

 

[praise_yeshua]

It put's me in the same category as any who are saved.

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,


"Oh ye of little faith". I am more than confident God keeps His "remnant" in every generation. Afterall, it is His body.

That remnant already has a leader. Jesus Christ.

 

[Olde Tymer]

~

Hey! Fifth grade! Right?

I was in my mid thirties when I first heard that problem. I not only couldn't do it,
but had no idea where to even start. Fortunately it was in an antique math book
that showed the solution.

How slow does one have to be to find God?

I rather suspect God isn't hampered by velocity, viz: no matter how fast someone
might run away, they will seem to Him like trying to escape their own shadow.
_

 

[GeneZ]

~


I was in my mid thirties when I first heard that problem.

Oh.., sorry to hear that.