Transmitting The Fallen Nature

[GeneZ]

In this thread and discussion we have been talking about the 2 natures in Christ and that Christ is only a Divine Person ( Historic Orthodoxy/Biblical view ) over and against the heresy of Nestorious who taught He was both a human person and a divine person.

I have mentioned his heresy in several posts and what it consisted of in this very thread the past few days.

Please... " transmitting-the-fallen-nature" is not a thread of the like.

It has wandered off, and we are beyond 1000 posts.

I would be willing to discuss it afresh in a new thread.
That way, someone wanting to join the thread would enter one with the specific topic in mind.

It would attract someone interested in the topic listed in its title.


Imagine walking into a car dealership and they are selling refrigerators that day?

grace and peace .............

 

[civic]

Please... " transmitting-the-fallen-nature" is not a thread of the like.

It has wandered off, and we are beyond 1000 posts.

I would be willing to discuss it afresh in a new thread.
That way, someone wanting to join the thread would enter one with the specific topic in mind.

It would attract someone interested in the topic listed in its title.


Imagine walking into a car dealership and they are selling refrigerators that day?

grace and peace .............

That sounds great just like costco

 

[GeneZ]

That sounds great just like costco

What kind of fish is that your are holding?

 

[sawdust]

Thank you!

As men, we are all extremely flawed. Which is why I appeal to the Love of God being contrary to Justice. We love those that agree with us and hate those that don't. I've never seen any differently in my Christian life.

Oh, people will tell you they're different...... and some are until it starts causing them issues with others. Call me a natural skeptic. I don't know the times some Christian told me they care about me even though they disagreed with me. That usually only works until you keep repeating what they don't agree with. You then become a problem. Many people believe love = silence. I've tried that before too. Jeremiah talked about how it affected him.

When I can't successfully appeal to Christian fellowship, I always "fall back to" our common ancestry in Adam. Thank you!

Yes we are all flawed which is why we don't make judgements based on appearances.

If and when I need correcting, that is the Lord's job. Our job is to contend for the faith. We each must work out our own salvation with trembling and we ought to care for one another (and I thank you for your concern for me) but there is a fine line between care and control and when we start deciding what the other person must be and put them into boxes of our own making, then we have crossed the line into control.

I can assure you I do my own thinking and have never blindly followed the crowd. Indeed, I am fiercely independent. (much to the Lord's chagrin at times I'm sure ) Nor am I inclined to listen to only one pastor but have learned from many. I learnt very early on in my Christian life not to lean on my own understanding but to listen to others very carefully. I am a practical person and I think through situations with the word of God to it's logical outcome and to the best of my ability knowing that only by God's grace and the ministry of His Spirit can I come to the truth.

I am what I am by the grace of God.

 

[GeneZ]

Our brotherhood in Adam demands it.

Adam has been crucified....

The world is the brotherhood of Adam.
The world lives in 'human good.'

In contrast.. God's family lives in Divine Good when they are being filled with the Holy Spirit.

It takes time to understand what I just said.
It takes the time needed to keep on learning sound doctrine teachings.
Learn form a genuinely good pastor teacher, or from teachers who have learned in that manner.

And be renewed in the spirit of your mind, and that you put on the new man
which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness.​

Ephesians 4:23-24

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[sawdust]

In this thread and discussion we have been talking about the 2 natures in Christ and that Christ is only a Divine Person ( Historic Orthodoxy/Biblical view ) over and against the heresy of Nestorious who taught He was both a human person and a divine person.

I have mentioned his heresy in several posts and what it consisted of in this very thread the past few days.

But you were arguing with yourself on that one because none of us ever said Christ is two persons. That was your assumption we had to be saying that even though we said you were wrong in your assumption.

 

[synergy]

Good... I am neither.

Excellent!

Now that you agree that Jesus is a "One God Person", do you still say that:

1. Jesus (the God Person) experienced "spiritual death"?
2. God the Father forsook the God Person of Jesus on the Cross?
3. The bread temptation was an attempt by the devil to stop Jesus from being a man now that you agree that Jesus is always a One God Person, and not a Schizophrenic Dual Personality God & Human Person?

If you would like to delve into either one? Please start a new thread.

No need since we haven't changed topics. If you don't want to continue I'll fully understand why you do not.

 

[GeneZ]

Excellent!

Now that you agree that Jesus is a "One God Person", do you still say that:

1. Jesus (the God Person) experienced "spiritual death"?
2. God the Father forsook the God Person of Jesus on the Cross?
3. The bread temptation was an attempt by the devil to stop Jesus from being a man when Jesus is always a One God Person, and not a Schizophrenic Dual Personality God & Human Person.

No need since we haven't changed topics. If you don't want to continue I'll fully understand why you do not.

Start a new thread... please. Otherwise this one will be split and lost in the shuffle.

Then we can discuss what your concept of what God Person means to you.

 

[GeneZ]

Excellent!

Now that you agree that Jesus is a "One God Person", do you still say that:

1. Jesus (the God Person) experienced "spiritual death"?
2. God the Father forsook the God Person of Jesus on the Cross?
3. The bread temptation was an attempt by the devil to stop Jesus from being a man now that you agree that Jesus is always a One God Person, and not a Schizophrenic Dual Personality God & Human Person?

No need since we haven't changed topics. If you don't want to continue I'll fully understand why you do not.

I want to continue. But in a thread that will not bury the topic you keep pushing to discuss here.

 

[civic]

What kind of fish is that your are holding?

Its a king Salmon that weighed 51 pounds I caught just north of the Golden Gate bride along the coastline.

 

[synergy]

Then we can discuss what your concept of what God Person means to you.

I already provided Bible verses as references and you agreed to them without any questions or hesitation. Now you tell me this? I'm not into rabbit holes. Sorry.

 

[GeneZ]

Its a king Salmon that weighed 51 pounds I caught just north of the Golden Gate bride along the coastline.

Wow....

I always had a dream as a boy to catch a northern pike.

Only found pickerels where I lived.... They put up a good fight.

 

[GeneZ]

I already provided Bible references as references and you agreed to them without any questions or hesitation. Now you tell me this? I'm not into rabbit holes. Sorry.

Start a new thread, or the topic is dead....

 

[synergy]

Start a new thread, or the topic is dead....

I'm not into rabbit holes. Sorry.

And I fully understand why you do want to kill this conversation. Your Arianism/Nestorianism will continue to be exposed.

 

[Rockson]

Nor am I inclined to listen to only one pastor but have learned from many. I learnt very early on in my Christian life not to lean on my own understanding but to listen to others very carefully.

Nor am I and i've thought about this before. I attribute it somewhat to when I was saved I didn't really come from any religious paradigm background. When I was a small child my parent took me to the United Church but stopped going at an early age I wasn't born again, saved never heard of such a thing. I got saved watching a Christian TV program one evening in May 1976,

I felt like no one owned me or could lay claim to me that I was a fruit of their labor and usually one gravitates towards believing what those who brought them into the Kingdom ...their beliefs should be yours. When some might say you're off Bible teaching my thought was look I have many voices saying they have the right Bible teaching.

When people would imply how educated they were in the field of Bible knowledge I'd ask to what Bible knowledge. All are claiming that. I wouldn't say i was bitter I really wasn't but I did have this in me. ...where were all you Bible knowledge experts when I needed to be saved? Why hadn't some of you people in my town preached the gospel to me.?

Why did I have to get it (and thank God he used it) but get it from a TV program even produced in another country. Why then should I consider you to be shepherds or God ordained instructors over my life? None said this to me but if any would have said you're being rebellious over not submitting to my insistence that you need to be here.....I would have maybe felt so inclined to do so if they had cared about me when i needed it.

When some say you're out of the orthodoxy of what real Christianity is I've always held I'll decide what the true orthodoxy of my beliefs should be and not you. If one states the true Christianity of the early church isn't the way you say so submit to my beliefs and thought I'll decide what that true beliefs were held by the early church. I read the scriptures myself to make sure things are so. Nobody absolutely nobody is going to do my thinking for me.

I could be wrong but I think if one has been raised all their lives under a certain umbrella of a religious teaching paradigm one can be more prone to consider their back ground must be right.

Sorry for rambling but I have thought about his through the years and have seen friends of mine that were raised a certain way.....it does seem hard for them to reassess what they believe.

 

[GeneZ]

I'm not into rabbit holes. Sorry.

And I fully understand why you do want to kill this conversation. Your Arianism/Nestorianism will continue to be exposed.

You are rude..... That might be the reason.

 

[civic]

There is already a thread I tagged you guys in here

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/the-hypostatic-union-the-2-natures-in-christ.7/

 

[civic]

Nor am I and i've thought about this before. I attribute it somewhat to when I was saved I didn't really come from any religious paradigm background. When I was a small child my parent took me to the United Church but stopped going at an early age I wasn't born again, saved never heard of such a thing. I got saved watching a Christian TV program one evening in May 1976,

I felt like no one owned me or could lay claim to me that I was a fruit of their labor and usually one gravitates towards believing what those who brought them into the Kingdom ...their beliefs should be yours. When some might say you're off Bible teaching my thought was look I have many voices saying they have the right Bible teaching.

When people would imply how educated they were in the field of Bible knowledge I'd ask to what Bible knowledge. All are claiming that. I wouldn't say i was bitter I really wasn't but I did have this in me. ...where were all you Bible knowledge experts when I needed to be saved? Why hadn't some of you people in my town preached the gospel to me.?

Why did I have to get it (and thank God he used it) but get it from a TV program even produced in another country. Why then should I consider you to be shepherds or God ordained instructors over my life? None said this to me but if any would have said you're being rebellious over not submitting to my insistence that you need to be here.....I would have maybe felt so inclined to do so if they had cared about me when i needed it.

When some say you're out of the orthodoxy of what real Christianity is I've always held I'll decide what the true orthodoxy of my beliefs should be and not you. If one states the true Christianity of the early church isn't the way you say so submit to my beliefs and thought I'll decide what that true beliefs were held by the early church. I read the scriptures myself to make sure things are so. Nobody absolutely nobody is going to do my thinking for me.

I could be wrong but I think if one has been raised all their lives under a certain umbrella of a religious teaching paradigm one can be more prone to consider their back ground must be right.

Sorry for rambling but I have thought about his through the years and have seen friends of mine that were raised a certain way.....it does seem hard for them to reassess what they believe.

Agreed

 

[synergy]

You are rude..... That might be the reason.

You're the one who issued out the "or the topic is dead" threat and I'm the one who's rude!?!?
You continue to project yourself onto others.
Again, I fully understand why you do want to kill this conversation. Your Arianism/Nestorianism will continue to be exposed.

 

[GeneZ]

You're the one who issued out the "or the topic is dead" threat and I'm the one who's rude!?!?
You continue to project yourself onto others.
Again, I fully understand why you do want to kill this conversation. Your Arianism/Nestorianism will continue to be exposed.

Rude means you keep ignoring what the other is saying, and keep repeating the reason why he told you he wanted to take it to another avenue to be free to discuss it.

Civic just opened up for us such a thread....