Total Genesis

[koberstein]

Nothing but claims without evidence. I have asked you to provide the genealogies that establish your ancestry. You're not going to provide them because they do not exist. All you're doing is making claims without evidence.

Enoch wasn't a Jew. Neither was Job. Neither was Luke. Need I go on?



Again. You're definitely a westerner pretending to be something you're not.

None of the above. Keep guessing. God saves sinners. You obviously hate your brothers. John spoke of you.

1Jn 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?



I have zero jealousy for "Jews". I can not respect any sense of ethnic or racial superiority and serve God. BTW. You've still repeatedly failed to identify how a "Jew" is actually recognized as such.



Yep. Certainly a westerner "CLAIMING" otherwise.

Certainly. Sounds familiar to what Yeshua warned about.

Rev 3:17 Because you say, “I am rich and have acquired great wealth, and need nothing,” but do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind, and naked,

You're a perfect example of what pretenders see in themselves.



Have you endless died "off the backs of Gentiles?"



In your mind. Certainly. Not mine. You're neither first nor second. That statement was fulfilled in the church at Jerusalem. That assembly is long gone.

BTW. Amschel died without an heir. You might want to consider such when you start dealing with ancestry.

There is nothing Eternal about the Rothchild family.

Yeshua came to preach to the POOR.... the needy. The broken hearted. Keep insisting you're better than others and see where it gets you.

Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Wow! you do definitely have an overactive imagination. First, of all nobody not even the Mormans keeps records on family ancestry back to Noah's sons. Secondly, I could only trace my Jewish roots back about 600 years on Ancestry.com and with DNA. And you?

Mishlei 22:7
"The rich rule the poor, and the borrower is a slave to the lender."

Every Jew understands that verse and concept from early on in life.
Gentiles like you seek to ignore it.
You are a slave to the current monetary system. Every morning you get up, you work for either Discover Card, Visa, Master Card or American Express. Plus you are a slave to your mortgage holder and car loan. You are definitely not free and so our your fellow Gentiles. Credit card debt is currently at record levels. Debt is a dirty 4 letter word to me.
I live debt free and have for years. I owe no man anything, but common courtesy. I retired wealthy. I did not go to college or a university. I read somewhere that nearly half of Americans didn't have a $1000 in the bank for an emergency. I believe one reason people are heavy in debt is that they make decisions with their eyes instead of their hearts. Ask Havah (Eve) that and see how that worked out for her.
I will give you credit for one thing. You sure can quote scripture out of context to justify your false narrative.
Rev 3:17 In verse 14 Yochanan is writing to the angel of the Messianic Community at Laodicea and goes on with through verse 18
You need to understand in your peanut brain that when you read scripture you need to know who is saying it and to who is it being said to.
It's not rocket science.
I don't hate my brothers. I hate the imposters and charlatans like you that pervert scripture to advance their false agenda and/or narrative.
You seem to have some strange infatuation with Jews. I haven't figured that out.
I am better than some people notably you and there are some people better than me and that's unfortunately not you either.
Mark 14:7, Mattityahu 26:11, Yochanan 12:8
Yeshua said the poor you will always have with you.
I have never pretended to be something I'm not. First, of all you will never prosper at business or any other life endeavors being a pretender. Adonai knows the heart.
I have to get ready for Shabbat that starts tomorrow evening.

Erev Tov

 

[praise_yeshua]

Wow! you do definitely have an overactive imagination. First, of all nobody not even the Mormans keeps records on family ancestry back to Noah's sons. Secondly, I could only trace my Jewish roots back about 600 years on Ancestry.com and with DNA. And you?

The Mormons pretended to do much the same thing as you're doing. Stick an arbitrary "marker" in the sand and pretend they accomplished something. 600 years isn't enough. I've used Ancestry.com. I know what it tells me. There is no real evidence that makes what they say true. It is nothing more than a guess. I know for certain that they overstate their "connections". They usually revolve around a common ancestor without any real context to establish the validity of the connection. I'll be glad to go over the details with you.

If you can't go back past the 9th century.... you don't even have a claim to the Masorah. Even the Mosarah disputed among themselves on the Tanakh. I bet you don't even know that there have been many disputes concerning the canonical "make up" of the Hebrew OT. The LXX is clear. There are many non canonical writings among the DSS. Not that you can explain such. You can't. It would destroy your narrative. The Qumran scribes were nothing like the scribes to which you appeal.

Mishlei 22:7
"The rich rule the poor, and the borrower is a slave to the lender."

Every Jew understands that verse and concept from early on in life.
Gentiles like you seek to ignore it.

You haven't establish you're a physical descendent of Abraham. Much less a descendent through Judah. (from whence "Jew" is derived). tJust more claims without evidence. You're a Gentile until otherwise proven differently.

Proverbs 22 is vastly different in your preferred source than either the MT or the LXX. In fact, you're contradicting the first verse in Proverbs 22.

Back up a little and read....

Pro 22:1 A good name is to be chosen rather than great wealth, good favor more than silver or gold.

You are a slave to the current monetary system. Every morning you get up, you work for either Discover Card, Visa, Master Card or American Express. Plus you are a slave to your mortgage holder and car loan. You are definitely not free and so our your fellow Gentiles. Credit card debt is currently at record levels. Debt is a dirty 4 letter word to me.

God has the record. You're wrong.

I will give you credit for one thing. You sure can quote scripture out of context to justify your false narrative.
Rev 3:17 In verse 14 Yochanan is writing to the angel of the Messianic Community at Laodicea and goes on with through verse 18
You need to understand in your peanut brain that when you read scripture you need to know who is saying it and to who is it being said to.
It's not rocket science.
I don't hate my brothers. I hate the imposters and charlatans like you that pervert scripture to advance their false agenda and/or narrative.
You seem to have some strange infatuation with Jews. I haven't figured that out.

Like your infatuation with Gentiles being inferior? I have explained myself several times now. You're not special. You don't have anything another person can not have themselves regardless of ethnicity or race. You're a racist. You believe you are both ethnically and racially superior. You're not. You're bloviating about how you don't need anything. Just like those at Laodicea. You don't have to be there.... to be the same way. Man always repeats his sin. That is what you're doing yourself. Messiah can change the hatred in your heart. It is up to you.

I am better than some people notably you and there are some people better than me and that's unfortunately not you either.
Mark 14:7, Mattityahu 26:11, Yochanan 12:8
Yeshua said the poor you will always have with you.
I have never pretended to be something I'm not. First, of all you will never prosper at business or any other life endeavors being a pretender. Adonai knows the heart.
I have to get ready for Shabbat that starts tomorrow evening.

Erev Tov

Stop serving the day. You have no idea what day of the week it is relative to creation. That information has long been gone from humanity. Messiah is our Sabbath. We rest in Him or we rest not at all.

 

[koberstein]

I am Jewish no matter what you say or think and nothing will ever change that. I know my ancestry. You on the other hand are probably clueless as to who your father and mother is let alone a detailed ancestry like mine. Why do you focus so much on people's ancestry?
First, it's none of your business and second,
What difference does it make to you?
I am not a racist. Yet my fathers ancestors that came to this country through the port of Philadelphia in the early 1700s were slave traders in Virginia. I have a picture of the slave auctioneer that worked for them. Heck, they could have bought and sold your ancestors. I hold no hatred in my heart like you.
Mishlei 22:1 Rather than wealth, choose a good reputation, esteem over silver and gold.
I have both wealth and a good reputation.
You probably need to put your KJV Bible in a dumpster somewhere. I did that with mine along time ago. My Jewish Study Bible is the most accurate using the best Hebrew/ Aramaic and Greek manuscripts available. Yeshua is not your Shabbat. He is the redeemer, savior, and coming King in which there is no other.
Shabbat is celebrated from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown and is commanded to be observed as the 4th commandment in the Law of Moshe in the Torah. I suppose pagans and cultists like you go to worship some phony Ayatollah pastor on Sunday? I mow my yard and trim my rose bushes on Sunday morning much to dismay of some of my neighbors. They will get over it. Most people do.
I do not need anything. I have everything I need to live a very comfortable and luxurious lifestyle. I don't go to a Messianic church or synagogue on Saturday, because there is none close enough in my area. I downstream my Bible teaching from Baruch Korman.
Evidently, you must worship a different Messiah than me. Let me know how's that working for you. The state of Israels largest export is technology. With that being said are churches still relevant? I can downstream my services. With the advent of internet, cell phones, downstreaming, radio and television are missionaries still relevant. I don't think so.
The apostate protestant churches are selling a mixture of false teaching with the gospel like a California used car salesmen and nobody is buying it. Church attendance in America is at an all time low. Maybe it's the church sex scandals or financial scandals?
Who knows? If pagan protestants are selling religion you probably better pass on it. It could be life threatening to you. Last, but not least I am special because I am the apple of Adonai's eye and part of the Jewish people and He will use us to spread the Gospel of Yeshua to the Jew first and then to the Greek.

Shabbat Shalom

 

[synergy]

I am Jewish no matter what you say or think and nothing will ever change that. I know my ancestry. You on the other hand are probably clueless as to who your father and mother is let alone a detailed ancestry like mine. Why do you focus so much on people's ancestry?
First, it's none of your business and second,
What difference does it make to you?
I am not a racist. Yet my fathers ancestors that came to this country through the port of Philadelphia in the early 1700s were slave traders in Virginia. I have a picture of the slave auctioneer that worked for them. Heck, they could have bought and sold your ancestors. I hold no hatred in my heart like you.
Mishlei 22:1 Rather than wealth, choose a good reputation, esteem over silver and gold.
I have both wealth and a good reputation.
You probably need to put your KJV Bible in a dumpster somewhere. I did that with mine along time ago. My Jewish Study Bible is the most accurate using the best Hebrew/ Aramaic and Greek manuscripts available. Yeshua is not your Shabbat. He is the redeemer, savior, and coming King in which there is no other.
Shabbat is celebrated from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown and is commanded to be observed as the 4th commandment in the Law of Moshe in the Torah. I suppose pagans and cultists like you go to worship some phony Ayatollah pastor on Sunday? I mow my yard and trim my rose bushes on Sunday morning much to dismay of some of my neighbors. They will get over it. Most people do.
I do not need anything. I have everything I need to live a very comfortable and luxurious lifestyle. I don't go to a Messianic church or synagogue on Saturday, because there is none close enough in my area. I downstream my Bible teaching from Baruch Korman.
Evidently, you must worship a different Messiah than me. Let me know how's that working for you. The state of Israels largest export is technology. With that being said are churches still relevant? I can downstream my services. With the advent of internet, cell phones, downstreaming, radio and television are missionaries still relevant. I don't think so.
The apostate protestant churches are selling a mixture of false teaching with the gospel like a California used car salesmen and nobody is buying it. Church attendance in America is at an all time low. Maybe it's the church sex scandals or financial scandals?
Who knows? If pagan protestants are selling religion you probably better pass on it. It could be life threatening to you. Last, but not least I am special because I am the apple of Adonai's eye and part of the Jewish people and He will use us to spread the Gospel of Yeshua to the Jew first and then to the Greek.

Shabbat Shalom

Have you finished with your nihilistic rantings? You sound sadistically ecstatic when you pile on one negative statement after another. Remember one thing: without us Americans your state Israel would not exist at all. The bigger your ego is the harder you will fall.

 

[koberstein]

How wrong you are. Israel did not need or require America's help doing the 6 day war, where Israel captured Gaza and the West Bank and Israel doesn't need America's help now.
Adonai will protect Israel. Pagan America and Geritol Joe Biden needs to keep their nose out of Israels war and quit telling Israel on how to run it.

 

[koberstein]

Have you finished with your nihilistic rantings? You sound sadistically ecstatic when you pile on one negative statement after another. Remember one thing: without us Americans your state Israel would not exist at all. The bigger your ego is the harder you will fall.

I case you haven't noticed America is in severe decline. Deal with it. I don't have an ego. I have chutzpah probably more than I need.

 

[koberstein]

One thing about it, the negative comments are true. It's reality. One thing America is good at, is killing the unborn and sexual abuse. Heck America and dementia Joe couldn't withdraw from Afghanistan without getting someone killed and America is going to tell Israel how to conduct a war. Give me a break.

 

[koberstein]

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[synergy]

One thing about it, the negative comments are true. It's reality. One thing America is good at, is killing the unborn and sexual abuse. Heck America and dementia Joe couldn't withdraw from Afghanistan without getting someone killed and America is going to tell Israel how to conduct a war. Give me a break.

Nobody said we were perfect. What I do see is your sadistic rantings that you revel in. If that's what you call chutzpah shmuckpah then don't infect us with it. Keep your ecstatic delirium to yourself.

 

[koberstein]

Have you finished with your nihilistic rantings? You sound sadistically ecstatic when you pile on one negative statement after another. Remember one thing: without us Americans your state Israel would not exist at all. The bigger your ego is the harder you will fall.

Nobody said we were perfect. What I do see is your sadistic rantings that you revel in. If that's what you call chutzpah shmuckpah then don't infect us with it. Keep your ecstatic delirium to yourself.

Truth hurts doesn't it? I don't revel in any sadistic rantings. I tell it like it is from my perspective. America doesn't like to hear it.
Just remember that Great Britain was the super power before America and looked what happened to them.

 

[synergy]

Truth hurts doesn't it? I don't revel in any sadistic rantings. I tell it like it is from my perspective. America doesn't like to hear it.

Nobody said we're perfect. I could easily rant about Israel's many severe faults but I'm not a sadist like you.

Just remember that Great Britain was the super power before America and looked what happened to them.

Great Britain is still 1 of the 5 main powers of the world. That's not good enough for you?

Carry on with your ecstatic delirium since it's sadistically pleasing to you.

 

[koberstein]

The Mormons pretended to do much the same thing as you're doing. Stick an arbitrary "marker" in the sand and pretend they accomplished something. 600 years isn't enough. I've used Ancestry.com. I know what it tells me. There is no real evidence that makes what they say true. It is nothing more than a guess. I know for certain that they overstate their "connections". They usually revolve around a common ancestor without any real context to establish the validity of the connection. I'll be glad to go over the details with you.

If you can't go back past the 9th century.... you don't even have a claim to the Masorah. Even the Mosarah disputed among themselves on the Tanakh. I bet you don't even know that there have been many disputes concerning the canonical "make up" of the Hebrew OT. The LXX is clear. There are many non canonical writings among the DSS. Not that you can explain such. You can't. It would destroy your narrative. The Qumran scribes were nothing like the scribes to which you appeal.



You haven't establish you're a physical descendent of Abraham. Much less a descendent through Judah. (from whence "Jew" is derived). tJust more claims without evidence. You're a Gentile until otherwise proven differently.

Proverbs 22 is vastly different in your preferred source than either the MT or the LXX. In fact, you're contradicting the first verse in Proverbs 22.

Back up a little and read....

Pro 22:1 A good name is to be chosen rather than great wealth, good favor more than silver or gold.



God has the record. You're wrong.



Like your infatuation with Gentiles being inferior? I have explained myself several times now. You're not special. You don't have anything another person can not have themselves regardless of ethnicity or race. You're a racist. You believe you are both ethnically and racially superior. You're not. You're bloviating about how you don't need anything. Just like those at Laodicea. You don't have to be there.... to be the same way. Man always repeats his sin. That is what you're doing yourself. Messiah can change the hatred in your heart. It is up to you.



Stop serving the day. You have no idea what day of the week it is relative to creation. That information has long been gone from humanity. Messiah is our Sabbath. We rest in Him or we rest not at all.

I have a full bred Doberman with no ancestry papers or AKC papers. Does that mean is not a Doberman?

 

[civic]

How wrong you are. Israel did not need or require America's help doing the 6 day war, where Israel captured Gaza and the West Bank and Israel doesn't need America's help now.
Adonai will protect Israel. Pagan America and Geritol Joe Biden needs to keep their nose out of Israels war and quit telling Israel on how to run it.

Israel is not pagan ? They reject their Messiah.


hmmm

 

[Aeliana]

I have a full bred Doberman with no ancestry papers or AKC papers. Does that mean is not a Doberman?

It just means you can't Breed him and expect to get paid.

 

[civic]

It just means you can't Breed him and expect to get paid.

you can but its not an AKC and still get paid.

 

[Aeliana]

you can but its not an AKC and still get paid.

Okay let's go along with your reasoning if I have a purebred dog with papers it wouldn't make any sense to pay someone to breed with my dog Unless their dog had papers. And I can't believe we're actually discussing this on a Christian forum

We're going to have to do better than this. Okay I think I got it.

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[civic]

Okay let's go along with your reasoning if I have a purebred dog with papers it wouldn't make any sense to pay someone to breed with my dog Unless their dog had papers. And I can't believe we're actually discussing this on a Christian forum

We're going to have to do better than this. Okay I think I got it.

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I had an AKC yellow lab, a male. My neighbor had a yellow lab female not AKC. They asked to breed with ours so we let our dog stay there for a week with the understanding we would split the litter or get half of the sales.

We got neither, not even one puppy. They sold them all and kept the money. That was the last time we had any contact with them. Thieves.

 

[Colin]

I had an AKC yellow lab, a male. My neighbor had a yellow lab female not AKC. They asked to breed with ours so we let our dog stay there for a week with the understanding we would split the litter or get half of the sales.

We got neither, not even one puppy. They sold them all and kept the money. That was the last time we had any contact with them. Thieves.

That is not what neighbors are for that was terrible.

 

[Apollos]

I had an AKC yellow lab, a male. My neighbor had a yellow lab female not AKC. They asked to breed with ours so we let our dog stay there for a week with the understanding we would split the litter or get half of the sales.

We got neither, not even one puppy. They sold them all and kept the money. That was the last time we had any contact with them. Thieves.

civic you are right it’s illegal in some states and not in others I believe but I might be wrong. I have not bred animals.

 

[civic]

civic you are right it’s illegal in some states and not in others I believe but I might be wrong. I have not bred animals.

I will have to look at the legality of breeding for money with non registered dogs.