Total Depravity

[synergy]

False. The Father gets credit for that Col 1:12

12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

The Father draws the elect Jn 6:44 Now the word delivered in Vs 13 is the greek word rhyomai:

1. to draw to one's self, to rescue, to deliver
2. the deliverer

Before Faith, which is given by God anyway, there is the rescue from the power of darkness.

So the deliverance happens through the Father, and then He made us meet.

God gives us faith when He made us meet ! That word meet :

ikanōsanti:

To make sufficient, to qualify, to enable

Its an aorist active particple:

a completed, punctiliar action, usually occurring before the main verb's action ("having done")

Again God gets the credit, even for our Faith to believe.

Colossians 1:12-13 is yet another set of verses that slays your Calvinist heresies. Paul is speaking to people who are already believers in Christ, those who have responded to the gospel in faith (cf. Col 1:4), and he tells them that God “has delivered us from the power of darkness and translated us into the kingdom of His dear Son.” The audience is not an unknown group of eternally decreed elect but actual Christians who became saved by believing Christ, and Paul describes their salvation as a real historical rescue and transfer that occurred when they believed, showing they were once truly under the authority of darkness and then brought into Christ’s kingdom through faith. This language emphasizes a change that happens in time through belief in the gospel rather than an eternal, unconditional election that determines salvation irrespective of a person’s response to Christ.

 

[brightfame52]

. Paul is speaking to people who are already believers in Christ, those who have responded to the gospel in faith (cf. Col 1:4),

Thats correct, doesnt change the fact they needed redemption and forgiveness of sins as depraved sinners, under the power of darkness, needing to be delivered, rescued.

 

[synergy]

Thats correct, doesnt change the fact they needed redemption and forgiveness of sins as depraved sinners, under the power of darkness, needing to be delivered, rescued.

That's correct that repentance and belief always comes before forgiveness and regeneration.

 

[brightfame52]

That's correct that repentance and belief always comes before forgiveness and regeneration.

Thats unscriptural

 

[synergy]

Thats unscriptural

Let's see if you will acknowledge the following verses or you're just a troll. When the crowd asked what to do after hearing the Gospel, Peter saying, “Repent…for the forgiveness of your sins” (Acts 2:38), clearly placing repentance before forgiveness and the gift of the Spirit. Likewise, Mark 1:15 summarizes Jesus’ message as “Repent and believe the gospel”, showing that repentance and faith are the required response before receiving salvation’s benefits. Acts 20:21 further describes the apostolic preaching as “repentance toward God and faith in our Lord Jesus Christ,” again establishing the order. The new birth is tied to believing in Christ (John 1:12–13), demonstrating that Scripture presents repentance and belief as the necessary conditions that come before forgiveness and regeneration rather than the calvinist heresy.

 

[brightfame52]

Let's see if you will acknowledge the following verses or you're just a troll. When the crowd asked what to do after hearing the Gospel, Peter saying, “Repent…for the forgiveness of your sins” (Acts 2:38

Thats a command to spiritually alive people, not spiritually dead folk

 

[synergy]

Thats a command to spiritually alive people, not spiritually dead folk

So those still not forgiven (still dead in their sins) are "spiritually alive"???? Here we go again with the Living Dead beliefs of Calvinism.

 

[civic]

So those still not forgiven (still dead in their sins) are "spiritually alive"???? Here we go again with the Living Dead beliefs of Calvinism.

Yes zombies lol

 

[brightfame52]

So those still not forgiven (still dead in their sins) are "spiritually alive"???? Here we go again with the Living Dead beliefs of Calvinism.

They were already forgiven, Christ had died for them and put away their sins. Everyone He died for are forgiven by His blood, bible 101

 

[synergy]

They were already forgiven, Christ had died for them and put away their sins. Everyone He died for are forgiven by His blood, bible 101

If they "were already forgiven" then why does Peter say, " Repent…for the forgiveness of your sins” (Acts 2:38)??? Logic 101.

So far you continue to deny the verses that I sent you as a troll.

 

[brightfame52]

If they "were already forgiven" then why does Peter say, " Repent…for the forgiveness of your sins” (Acts 2:38)??? Logic 101.

So far you continue to deny the verses that I sent you as a troll.

There forgiveness was in Christ and not law keeping. Peter would teach them that. Eis can mean in reference to. Be baptized in Jesus name in reference to forgiveness of sins.

Any Christian should know that forgiveness of sins is by the shedding of the blood of Christ, its a New covenant blessing Matt 26-28

For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

They were part of the many

 

[TedT]

They were already forgiven, Christ had died for them and put away their sins. Everyone He died for are forgiven by His blood, bible 101

ImCo:

Jn:3:18 Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not [never] believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. In this verse we have two kinds of sinners: believing sinners who are never condemned but are rather under the promise of salvation by election,
and
never believers who are condemned already, that is, since the time they made their faith decision to repudiate YHWH as a liar and a false god.

"Noty condemned" can mean forgiven in spirit even if it has not yet been finalized by His death.

 

[brightfame52]

Before regeneration, or quickening by Divine Grace, supernatural Grace, God finds us dead in sin, having fallen in Adam , having been concluded to disobedience/unbelief, giving a nature correspondingly. Eph 2:1-3

1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Rom 11:32

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all

There is no possible way we can believe in nature, our nature is one of unbelief or disobedience relatively the same.

Unbelief in Rom 11 32 is the word apeitheia:

1. obstinacy, obstinate opposition to the divine will
2. apeítheia, ap-i'-thi-ah; from G545; disbelief (obstinate and rebellious):—disobedience, unbelief.

And disobedience in Eph 2:2 is the word apeitheia: yes the same greek word,

So by nature we are children of unbelief

Now explain how we can act against our nature ? How can we obey or believe the command of the Gospel against our nature ? We cant, and thats depravity of nature ! We cannot reverse the consequences of the fall !

 

[brightfame52]

Now the cure and only cure for our unbelief is sovereign Grace Acts 18:27

27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

The Grace of a New Nature from the New Birth !

 

[synergy]

There forgiveness was in Christ and not law keeping. Peter would teach them that. Eis can mean in reference to. Be baptized in Jesus name in reference to forgiveness of sins.

Any Christian should know that forgiveness of sins is by the shedding of the blood of Christ, its a New covenant blessing Matt 26-28

For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

They were part of the many

So, they were not forgiven since Peter said "Repent…for the forgiveness of your sins” (Acts 2:38). That proves that they must repent if they are ever to be forgiven. Repentance and belief precedes forgiveness.

Once you stop denying Scripture then you will no longer be viewed as a heretic.

 

[brightfame52]

So, they were not forgiven since Peter said "Repent…for the forgiveness of your sins” (Acts 2:38).

They were already forgiven b4 Petter said a word to them, they were forgiven by the blood of Christ.

 

[synergy]

They were already forgiven b4 Petter said a word to them, they were forgiven by the blood of Christ.

Read Acts 2:38. Repentance first, forgiveness second. Do you understand?

"Repent…for the forgiveness of your sins” (Acts 2:38).
Once you stop denying Scripture then you will no longer be viewed as a heretic.

 

[brightfame52]

Read Acts 2:38. Repentance first, forgiveness second. Do you understand?

Ive read it many times over the last 40 years

 

[synergy]

Ive read it many times over the last 40 years

Excellent! Repentance first, forgiveness second. Calvinism just exploded right before your eyes.

 

[brightfame52]

Before Salvation, that is man being made alive, he is dead to God and carnal and the indictment it Rom 8:6-8

6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 ;So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

. “For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God” (Rom. 8:6-8 cf. 1 Cor. 2:14). Anything and everything done by man prior to salvation cannot please God.“It is the Spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing…” (Jn. 6:63). “…an unregenerate man is nothing else but flesh, and has nothing but flesh, or corrupt nature in him; and who does not know, that no good thing dwells in such persons?” “For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh…” (Rom. 8:5). Paul the apostle said: “…I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing…” (Rom. 7:18). By flesh is meant the corrupt nature, the natural sin nature of all men. Such men can obviously do nothing to please God, for their thoughts and ways are only in accord with their sinful nature, and not the Spirit of truth. “…to be carnally minded is death…” (Rom. 8:6). To be in such an unregenerate state is to be carnally, or fleshly minded, and is nothing else but the evidence of death. “…the carnal mind is enmity against God…” (Rom. 8:7). Nothing can come out of the carnal mind which is anything less than hostility itself against the only true God, therefore, nothing a man does who is not born again can ever please God. Consequently, this shows beyond any shadow of a doubt that there is nothing a man can do that can ever get him saved, or make up for his sin or find favour with God. Any favour a man ever finds with God can only come from within God, for “…they that are in the flesh cannot please God” (Rom. 8:8). Prior to salvation, nothing at all can be done by any man that can please God in any way https://www.godsonlygospel.com/by-grace-alone-34