The Water Baptism of 1 Corinthians 12:13

[dwight92070]

So Jesus was asking His disciples to make a different kind of disciple than they were? All they needed was to be students of His, they didn't need to be saved or even completely dedicated to Him? So then they could baptize them and bang - they get saved, right? So then, after they're saved, they will be completely dedicated to Him, right?
So in Acts 11:26 "and the disciples were first called 'Christians' in Antioch." So these disciples didn't need to be completely dedicated to Jesus, or even saved, but they were still called "Christians", right? These Christians didn't need salvation or complete dedication, right?
What verse tells us that when the Holy Spirit fell on Cornelius' family, it was simply a sign that they could be saved, even though they weren't?

 

[Doug Brents]

Sounds like denial

Because that is what you want to hear.

You have stated men are baptised in the Spirit during water baptism

But the gentiles were baptised en the Spirit before water baptism

No, they were not. They received precisely what the Scriptures say they received, the gift of tongues and praise. They did not receive forgiveness of sin, or induction into the Church, or the indwelling of the Spirit.

Acts 11:15–18 (YLT) — 15 ‘And in my beginning to speak, the Holy Spirit did fall upon them, even as also upon us in the beginning, 16 and I remembered the saying of the Lord, how he said, John indeed did baptize with water, and ye shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit; 17 if then the equal gift God did give to them as also to us, having believed upon the Lord Jesus Christ, I—how was I able to withstand God?’ 18 And they, having heard these things, were silent, and were glorifying God, saying, ‘Then, indeed, also to the nations did God give the reformation to life.’

You have made the action of the Spirit of no value

Not at all. I have distinguished between different actions He takes. Here, as on Pentecost, He gave gifts of speaking in tongues and of praise. In water baptism He gives the removal of sin, addition to the Body/Bride of Christ, and adoption into the family of God.

 

[TomL]

Because that is what you want to hear.

No, they were not. They received precisely what the Scriptures say they received, the gift of tongues and praise. They did not receive forgiveness of sin, or induction into the Church, or the indwelling of the Spirit.

Not at all. I have distinguished between different actions He takes. Here, as on Pentecost, He gave gifts of speaking in tongues and of praise. In water baptism He gives the removal of sin, addition to the Body/Bride of Christ, and adoption into the family of God.

Sorry you simply ignored scripture

Acts 11:15–17 (LEB) — 15 And as I was beginning to speak, the Holy Spirit fell on them, just as also on us at the beginning. 16 And I remembered the word of the Lord, how he said, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ 17 Therefore if God gave them the same gift as also to us when we believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to be able to hinder God?”

Peter clearly saw them as having been baptized en the Spirit

 

[Doug Brents]

Sorry you simply ignored scripture

Acts 11:15–17 (LEB) — 15 And as I was beginning to speak, the Holy Spirit fell on them, just as also on us at the beginning. 16 And I remembered the word of the Lord, how he said, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ 17 Therefore if God gave them the same gift as also to us when we believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to be able to hinder God?”

Peter clearly saw them as having been baptized en the Spirit

No, He didn't. If he did, then there would have been no need for them to be baptized in water moments later. John 3:5 says that we cannot enter the Kingdom of God without both the Spirit and water. The Gentiles in Cornelius' house received some of the Spirit's gifts, but they had not yet received/passed through water, so they were not born again, the were not saved, and their sins were not washed away.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Don't you just love the gossip that goes on here. Very Christlike, wouldn't you say?

Water baptism is not the same as circumcision was in the OT. You cannot whip out your baptism and show it to demonstrate that you are "in Christ", as they could could circumcision.

Actually it is the same

1. they both represent cleansing
2. They both are physical traditions or events which represent literal things God does to his people (spiritual circumcision and baptism done by the hands of God not men)
3. They both represent a works based self righteous gospel. that rejects grace
4. They are a different gospel.

And I do not believe that works save in any way. I believe that the Holy Spirit saves through the power of the blood of Christ through our faith. Y'all just misunderstand what faith is.

yet you believe the work of water baptism is required.

if you want to deceive yourself and say you do not believe it is a work. thats fine. But count me out.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

No, He didn't. If he did, then there would have been no need for them to be baptized in water moments later. John 3:5 says that we cannot enter the Kingdom of God without both the Spirit and water. The Gentiles in Cornelius' house received some of the Spirit's gifts, but they had not yet received/passed through water, so they were not born again, the were not saved, and their sins were not washed away.

1. Water baptism is not in John 3.. why do people insist it is.

When nicodemus asked jesus how to be born agai9n, Jesus told him.

Believe in him, look to the cross as they looked at the serpent in moses day.

do this you will not only be born again, but you will never die again and this new life is eternal.

 

[Doug Brents]

yet you believe the work of water baptism is required.

Yes, water baptism is required to receive salvation.
It is not a "work of the Law" through which we "earn" salvation. It is an act of faith through which God pours out His gift.

Faith is not a passive, internal, mental exercise. Faith requires action or it does not exist at all. Heb 11:1 says that faith is the evidence of things not seen, the substance of things hoped for. That means that it can be seen, felt, observed, experienced. James 2 tells us that actions are the soul of faith, and just as the body without the soul is dead, so too faith without action is dead. We are justified not through faith alone, but through our actions. THIS is what faith is. And without faith we do not receive salvation.

1. Water baptism is not in John 3.. why do people insist it is.

When nicodemus asked jesus how to be born agai9n, Jesus told him.

Believe in him, look to the cross as they looked at the serpent in moses day.

do this you will not only be born again, but you will never die again and this new life is eternal.

One of the first things Jesus told Nicodemus was that in order to enter the Kingdom of God, in order to be born again, in order to be saved, we must be reborn of both the Spirit and of water. This is water of rebirth, not natural birth. Without being born again of water and the Spirit we cannot be saved. And what does Peter tell us? Just as the eight were saved through water during the Flood, in likeness of that water, the water of baptism now saves you (1 Pet 3:21), not by removing dirt from your body, but by the Holy Spirit giving you a clean conscience through the power of Jesus' blood.

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

No, it does not contradict itself. Did the cleansing of Naaman happen 100% by the power and action of God? Absolutely it did. Yet it would not have happened if he had not dipped in Jordan the seventh time. If he had stopped dipping on the sixth dip and done no more, he would have died a leaper. The same can be said of the walls of Jericho and Israel's marching around it. And again with the widows, one who gave her last food to the prophet and the other who poured oil into all the jars she could borrow. And there are many, many more stories that demonstrate this truth.

So how come so many follow the all inclusive love
which sure seems to omit the FACT one must Beleive in CHRIST .
And why do so many who claim to BELIEVE IN CHRIST , NOT DO what HE said .
WHY do so many preach another love that implies IT matters not IF one beleives in JESUS the CHRIST
so long as they loved . cause a FAT LIE that one is .
IF GOD said YE had to BELEIVE ON THE SON , TO HEAR HIM .
And that all who fail to believe on HIM remain in condmenation , are condemned
THEN WHY do so many through the most progressive liberal anti christ led false love
THEN try and turn around and make beleive as though other religoins , even athiests
IF they just loved were fine and dandy . WE BEEN SUCKERED punched by a fat lie .
VERY interested am i to see what you think about this interfaith finding common ground .
People can holler love all day
People can make beleive all day like other religoins can even perform the GOLDEN rule WITHOUT faith in Christ .
BUT I SAY if they LOVE NOT CHRIST , PADNAH they LOVE NOT GOD . so there goes the greatest commandment
and I say if one can allow one to remain in sin and unbeleif , THEY LOVE NOT EVEN THEIR NEIGHBOR .
but I DIDNT say this first . GOD DID .

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Yes, water baptism is required to receive salvation.

then your trying to earn salvation by works.

please stop denying it.

It is not a "work of the Law" through which we "earn" salvation. It is an act of faith through which God pours out His gift.

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but by his mercy he saved us (titus 3)

Water baptism is a work of righteousness, a good deed. being obedient to Gods commands.

Faith is not a passive, internal, mental exercise. Faith requires action or it does not exist at all. Heb 11:1 says that faith is the evidence of things not seen, the substance of things hoped for. That means that it can be seen, felt, observed, experienced. James 2 tells us that actions are the soul of faith, and just as the body without the soul is dead, so too faith without action is dead. We are justified not through faith alone, but through our actions. THIS is what faith is. And without faith we do not receive salvation.

Yes. But faith received. the action you obey to get saved is to receive the gift of God and not reject it.

When you do this God saves you and gives you his spirit in your heart. then MANY works are flowing out of this faith.

But your saved before you do one work.

One of the first things Jesus told Nicodemus was that in order to enter the Kingdom of God, in order to be born again, in order to be saved, we must be reborn of both the Spirit and of water. This is water of rebirth, not natural birth. Without being born again of water and the Spirit we cannot be saved. And what does Peter tell us? Just as the eight were saved through water during the Flood, in likeness of that water, the water of baptism now saves you (1 Pet 3:21), not by removing dirt from your body, but by the Holy Spirit giving you a clean conscience through the power of Jesus' blood.

water is not water baptism. it is physical birth.
Jesus told him, you must be born again (literally a second time) ie two births

physical birth is not enough. You have to be born spiritually.\

and again, When jesus explained what it mean, He never mentioned the word baptize. because baptism in water is not required.

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

You got it!!

Yep .
Eternally grateful . i want to remind you about something and we had better all not be a partaker of its cup either .
You mark these next words well , cause you gonna see it .
We all gonna see this .
The gospel of BELIEVE YE IN JESUS CHRIST
as well as the false religoins and their ye must believe that path
WILL ALL BE REPLACED .
How so . under the greatest lie that they will call love and cliam is of GOD .
SOON even within christendom itself
you will hear more and more not even procliaming the need to BELEIVE IN JESUS
what you will hear is
SO long as one believes in love . JUST love . and that is being sold to the false religons too .
;THEY ALL GONNA think they serve the same GOD so long as one loves .
This love god was slick friend . it broke down walls and it built bridges
it has literally transformed many churches , as well as the false religions FROM WITHIN .
People keep wondering , HOW ON EARTH are they gonna have a ONE WORLD RELIGON .
ITS easy , preach a non offensive love , get them centered on love and good works
and all the while you break down doctrines from within .
ITS READY now . SOON we will see more and move voices from within ALL RELIGOINS
merging as one and saying and believing
ALL YA NEED IS LOVE . sounds like a reliigious beetles song i know .
EVEN athiests will be accepted because they will bleieve if they just loved then they too knew GOD .
ITS ALL A DARN DELUSION . GET THE PEOPLE OUT of the finding common ground chuches NOW .
Or they all going down with the ship .

 

[Doug Brents]

then your trying to earn salvation by works.

please stop denying it.

Not at all.
Did Naaman earn cleansing by dipping in Jordan 7 times?
Did Israel earn the Promised Land by marching around Jericho for 7 days?
Did individuals bitten by snakes earn cleansing by looking at the serpent on the staff that Moses erected?
Did the widow earn food by giving her last meal to the prophet?
Did the widow earn her son's freedom by borrowing jars from her neighbors and pouring oil into all of them?
I could go on and on, but the clear answer is, NO! These were acts of faith, but they did not in any way contribute to the power of the ONE who made these miracles happen.

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but by his mercy he saved us (titus 3)

He saved us while we were still sinners. When we were still His enemies He died for us. We did not deserve the life of God in the flesh, but He gave it anyway. And He demands that we come to Him to receive His blessing/gift. He doesn't force it on us.

Water baptism is a work of righteousness, a good deed.

No, it is not. It is our duty to do what He commands, and He does not owe us even a "thank you" for doing it (Luke 17:7-10). But He does keep His promises, and He has promised that if we do certain things in faith, He will give us the gift of salvation.

But your saved before you do one work.

Is saying something with your mouth a physical action? Yes.
Is this physical action required in order to receive salvation?
What does Rom 10:9-10 says? YES!!!
So a physical action is REQUIRED to receive salvation. Baptism is no different.

water is not water baptism. it is physical birth.

Wrong. John 3:3, 5
"Truly, truly, I say to you, unless someone is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”"
"Truly, truly, I say to you, unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God."
These are the same statements with a very minor change. "Born again" and "Born of water and the Spirit" are the same thing. This is NOT natural birth. Water and the Spirit are both required for REBIRTH.

and again, When jesus explained what it mean, He never mentioned the word baptize. because baptism in water is not required.

He didn't need to say baptism for it to be baptism that He is referring to.
1 Pet 3:21 says that it is through baptism that we are saved.
Rom 6:1-7 says that it is in baptism that the Holy Spirit brings us into the Church.
Col 2:11-14 says that it is in baptism that the Holy Spirit cuts our sins from us and unites us with Jesus' death and resurrection.
Eph 4:5-6 says that there is ONLY ONE BAPTISM IN THE NT CHURCH!
It is water baptism that is in view in Jesus' statement in John 3:5.

 

[dwight92070]

Doug Brents believes it takes 2 people for 1 of them to get saved - yet he cannot produce any scriptural evidence of such.

 

[Doug Brents]

Doug Brents believes it takes 2 people for 1 of them to get saved - yet he cannot produce any scriptural evidence of such.

That is your strawman that has no basis in Scripture. It takes what God says it takes, and nothing less.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Not at all.
Did Naaman earn cleansing by dipping in Jordan 7 times?
Did Israel earn the Promised Land by marching around Jericho for 7 days?
Did individuals bitten by snakes earn cleansing by looking at the serpent on the staff that Moses erected?
Did the widow earn food by giving her last meal to the prophet?
Did the widow earn her son's freedom by borrowing jars from her neighbors and pouring oil into all of them?
I could go on and on, but the clear answer is, NO! These were acts of faith, but they did not in any way contribute to the power of the ONE who made these miracles happen.

lol. You have been saved by grace through faith, not of works lest anyone shoudl boast.

Why do you continue to boast of your work? And not in God?

He saved us while we were still sinners. When we were still His enemies He died for us. We did not deserve the life of God in the flesh, but He gave it anyway. And He demands that we come to Him to receive His blessing/gift. He doesn't force it on us.

Your right,

But he also said we must recieve it his way not our way. LOOK to the cross in faith. as the jews did by looking on the serpent. And you will be saved, And given the promise this new life is eternal and you will never die.

Or you can do it your way, by adding works to the equation

No, it is not. It is our duty to do what He commands, and He does not owe us even a "thank you" for doing it (Luke 17:7-10). But He does keep His promises, and He has promised that if we do certain things in faith, He will give us the gift of salvation.

No. He promised if we look to him in faith and call on his name, he will save us

there is nothing we can do to earn salvation. When you realize this, you will become poor in spirit. and maybe just maybe you can then enter the kingdom of God

Is saying something with your mouth a physical action? Yes.
Is this physical action required in order to receive salvation?
What does Rom 10:9-10 says? YES!!!
So a physical action is REQUIRED to receive salvation. Baptism is no different.

Me standing still and saying yes to God is not earning salvation. it is recieving what someone else bought

Doing the work of walking miles or doing what ever they had to do to be immersed in water to be saved, is far different than just crying out to Jesus.

Again, why do you boast?

Wrong. John 3:3, 5
"Truly, truly, I say to you, unless someone is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”"
"Truly, truly, I say to you, unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God."
These are the same statements with a very minor change. "Born again" and "Born of water and the Spirit" are the same thing. This is NOT natural birth. Water and the Spirit are both required for REBIRTH.

Yes, And he said that which is born of flesh (water) is flesh and that which is born of spirit (spirit) is spirit.

The word BAPTIZE is no where in the text. for something so important as you claim. it is odd Jesus never uses the word once.

He didn't need to say baptism for it to be baptism that He is referring to.
1 Pet 3:21 says that it is through baptism that we are saved.
Rom 6:1-7 says that it is in baptism that the Holy Spirit brings us into the Church.
Col 2:11-14 says that it is in baptism that the Holy Spirit cuts our sins from us and unites us with Jesus' death and resurrection.
Eph 4:5-6 says that there is ONLY ONE BAPTISM IN THE NT CHURCH!
It is water baptism that is in view in Jesus' statement in John 3:5.

In all of those things, Water baptism is not in context. Holy Spirit baptism is

in 1 peter. Peter makes it clear. baptism does not remove filth of the flesh (sin) but it is the answer of a good conscious to God. It is the resurrections which saves us and our faith in it. Water baptism, like the waters of the flood represents what realy saves us

 

[Doug Brents]

lol. You have been saved by grace through faith, not of works lest anyone shoudl boast.

Why do you continue to boast of your work? And not in God?

I boast in one thing, that my Lord saw fit to save me when I was an enemy to Him. He said come to Me, and I came. He said surrender to Me, and I surrendered. He said submit your will to Mine, and I surrendered, as did all those in Scripture who were praised by Him as His servants. I deserve no glory for this, but He will glorify me when this life is over. I deserve no honor for this, but He will honor me when I stand before Him in Heaven. It is not what we want, or how we think it should be done that salvation is received. It is how HE says it is, and what HE commands that brings salvation to us.

Your right,

But he also said we must recieve it his way not our way. LOOK to the cross in faith. as the jews did by looking on the serpent. And you will be saved, And given the promise this new life is eternal and you will never die.

Or you can do it your way, by adding works to the equation

I have added nothing to the equation. I have simply included the things that He commands that you omit.

No. He promised if we look to him in faith and call on his name, he will save us

Just looking to Him is meaningless, and just calling on His name is worthless. As He says, there will be many who have called Him Lord, who have done great and mighty things in His name, but He will tell them, "I NEVER knew you. Depart from me you who practice wickedness." Just calling Him Lord is not calling on His name. But who does He say will enter the Kingdom of Heaven? "...the one who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter."

there is nothing we can do to earn salvation.

Correct, there there are things that we must do to receive it.

When you realize this, you will become poor in spirit. and maybe just maybe you can then enter the kingdom of God

I have been in the Kingdom of God since I was fourteen years old.

Me standing still and saying yes to God is not earning salvation. it is recieving what someone else bought

That is not how you receive salvation, according to Scripture anyway. According to you it may be. But you don't determine what is required to receive His gift; that is for Him to decide.

Doing the work of walking miles or doing what ever they had to do to be immersed in water to be saved, is far different than just crying out to Jesus.

Just crying out to Jesus is not what Scripture commands. It is a step in the right direction, for sure, but it is not what God says is required.

Yes, And he said that which is born of flesh (water) is flesh and that which is born of spirit (spirit) is spirit.

The word BAPTIZE is no where in the text. for something so important as you claim. it is odd Jesus never uses the word once.

Jesus said "that which is born of flesh is flesh" after Nicodemus asked about natural birth. He is not referring to water as the water of natural birth in that phrase. It is in the action of being baptized in water that the Holy Spirit takes action to give us new birth (1 Pet 3:21, Rom 6:1-7, Col 2:11-14, Gal 3:26-27, Eph 5:26-27).

In all of those things, Water baptism is not in context. Holy Spirit baptism is

in 1 peter. Peter makes it clear. baptism does not remove filth of the flesh (sin) but it is the answer of a good conscious to God. It is the resurrections which saves us and our faith in it. Water baptism, like the waters of the flood represents what realy saves us

You are stuck in your false education and cannot see the truth of God's Word. Peter is not talking about sin, but about dirt from the body (as was symbolized by the dipping and washing commanded of the OT). Baptism in water is indeed the point at which the Holy Spirit removes our sins and gives us a clean conscience. Yes, it is the death and resurrection of Jesus that provides the power to remove our sins, and it is the Holy Spirit that does the action of removing our sins from us. But it our actions of faith (repentance, confession, and water baptism) that mark the time when this is done to/in us. If we don't repent, then we cannot be forgiven and receive the refreshing that God wants to give us (Acts 3:19). If we don't confess Jesus as Lord verbally then we cannot receive salvation (Rom 10:9-10). And if we are not baptized in water, then the Holy Spirit never cuts our sin from us (Col 2:11-14), unites us to the death and resurrection of Jesus (Rom 6:1-7), or adds us to the Church (Eph 5:26-27).

 

[mailmandan]

in 1 peter. Peter makes it clear. baptism does not remove filth of the flesh (sin) but it is the answer of a good conscious to God. It is the resurrections which saves us and our faith in it. Water baptism, like the waters of the flood represents what realy saves us

A symbol (water baptism) is not the reality (Spirit baptism) but is a picture of the reality.

In 1 Peter 3:21, Peter tells us that baptism now saves you, yet when Peter uses this phrase, he continues in the same sentence to explain exactly what he means by it. He said that baptism now saves you-not the removal of dirt from the flesh (that is, not as an outward, physical act which washes dirt from the body--that is not what saves you), "but an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (that is, as an inward, spiritual transaction between God and the individual, a transaction that is symbolized by the outward ceremony of water baptism). By saying, "not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ," Peter guards against saving power to the physical ceremony itself.

The eight people in the ark were saved "through" water as they were in the ark. They were not literally saved "by" the water. Hebrews 11:7 is clear on this point (built an ARK for the SAVING of his household). The context reveals that only the righteous (Noah and his family) were dry and therefore safe. In contrast, only the wicked in Noah's day came in contact with the water and they all perished.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

I boast in one thing, that my Lord saw fit to save me when I was an enemy to Him. He said come to Me, and I came. He said surrender to Me, and I surrendered. He said submit your will to Mine, and I surrendered, as did all those in Scripture who were praised by Him as His servants. I deserve no glory for this, but He will glorify me when this life is over. I deserve no honor for this, but He will honor me when I stand before Him in Heaven. It is not what we want, or how we think it should be done that salvation is received. It is how HE says it is, and what HE commands that brings salvation to us.

you boast in your water baptism. You can deny it until your blue in the face. it will not make what you say truth

Why would he honor you when you are placing the baptism of man over the baptism of God (yes God commanded it. but it is the work of man not God)

sorry bro

I have added nothing to the equation. I have simply included the things that He commands that you omit.

Just looking to Him is meaningless, and just calling on His name is worthless. As He says, there will be many who have called Him Lord, who have done great and mighty things in His name, but He will tell them, "I NEVER knew you. Depart from me you who practice wickedness." Just calling Him Lord is not calling on His name. But who does He say will enter the Kingdom of Heaven? "...the one who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter."

Correct, there there are things that we must do to receive it.

I have been in the Kingdom of God since I was fourteen years old.

That is not how you receive salvation, according to Scripture anyway. According to you it may be. But you don't determine what is required to receive His gift; that is for Him to decide.

Just crying out to Jesus is not what Scripture commands. It is a step in the right direction, for sure, but it is not what God says is required.

Jesus said "that which is born of flesh is flesh" after Nicodemus asked about natural birth. He is not referring to water as the water of natural birth in that phrase. It is in the action of being baptized in water that the Holy Spirit takes action to give us new birth (1 Pet 3:21, Rom 6:1-7, Col 2:11-14, Gal 3:26-27, Eph 5:26-27).

You are stuck in your false education and cannot see the truth of God's Word. Peter is not talking about sin, but about dirt from the body (as was symbolized by the dipping and washing commanded of the OT). Baptism in water is indeed the point at which the Holy Spirit removes our sins and gives us a clean conscience. Yes, it is the death and resurrection of Jesus that provides the power to remove our sins, and it is the Holy Spirit that does the action of removing our sins from us. But it our actions of faith (repentance, confession, and water baptism) that mark the time when this is done to/in us. If we don't repent, then we cannot be forgiven and receive the refreshing that God wants to give us (Acts 3:19). If we don't confess Jesus as Lord verbally then we cannot receive salvation (Rom 10:9-10). And if we are not baptized in water, then the Holy Spirit never cuts our sin from us (Col 2:11-14), unites us to the death and resurrection of Jesus (Rom 6:1-7), or adds us to the Church (Eph 5:26-27).

I do not omit anything, God gave alot of commands. we should obey every one of them. But none of them save us..

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

A symbol (water baptism) is not the reality (Spirit baptism) but is a picture of the reality.

In 1 Peter 3:21, Peter tells us that baptism now saves you, yet when Peter uses this phrase, he continues in the same sentence to explain exactly what he means by it. He said that baptism now saves you-not the removal of dirt from the flesh (that is, not as an outward, physical act which washes dirt from the body--that is not what saves you), "but an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (that is, as an inward, spiritual transaction between God and the individual, a transaction that is symbolized by the outward ceremony of water baptism). By saying, "not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ," Peter guards against saving power to the physical ceremony itself.

The eight people in the ark were saved "through" water as they were in the ark. They were not literally saved "by" the water. Hebrews 11:7 is clear on this point (built an ARK for the SAVING of his household). The context reveals that only the righteous (Noah and his family) were dry and therefore safe. In contrast, only the wicked in Noah's day came in contact with the water and they all perished.

remember also

the water was Gods wrath.. The water killed the inhabitants of the earth not on the ark.

they were saved through or from the water.

 

[mailmandan]

remember also

the water was Gods wrath.. The water killed the inhabitants of the earth not on the ark.

they were saved through or from the water.

Amen! Noah and his family were not literally saved by the water but by the ARK. (Hebrews 11:7) The context reveals that ONLY the righteous (Noah and his family) were dry and therefore safe in the ARK. In contrast, only the wicked in Noah's day came in contact with the water and they all perished.

 

[Doug Brents]

you boast in your water baptism. You can deny it until your blue in the face. it will not make what you say truth

And you are God now, that you know my heart?

Why would he honor you when you are placing the baptism of man over the baptism of God (yes God commanded it. but it is the work of man not God)

So it was an act of man that caused the walls of Jericho to fall?
And it was an act of man that caused people dying of snake bite to be cured?
And it was an act of man that caused a single small jar of oil to fill all the jars the widow could borrow?
And it was an act of man that caused the flour and oil of the other widow to last through the famine?
No, these were acts of God in response to the faith, and faithful obedience, of the people in each of these events.

I do not omit anything, God gave alot of commands. we should obey every one of them. But none of them save us..

So you deny that Rom 10:9-10 says explicitly that the physical action of confessing Jesus with the mouth results in salvation?
If you deny that, then you are in open rebellion to the word of God and we are through debating, because you do not honor the Word of God.