Peterlag
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It might be Romans. Why do you ask?
Romans 3:22
Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
The unending requirement of faith
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Romans 3:22
Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
civic
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Bad translation it’s faith in Christ not faith of Christ
praise_yeshua
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I have to say this is nonsensical. Consider the only begotten son aspect of the relationship you've created relative to the "new covenant". Can you describe the old covenant relationship between father and son?
No reason. My search engine came up with Galatians first, but it is translation dependent
Not if one believes scripture
Romans 4:1–5 (ESV) — 1 What then shall we say was gained by Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.” 4 Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. 5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,
and God still saves those that believe
1 Corinthians 1:21 (KJV 1900) — 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
John 20:31 (UASV) — 31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
Um you are assuming a subjective genitive rather than an objective genitive
Romans 3:22 (UASV) — 22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;
Galatians 2:16 (UASV) — 16 but knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law, since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.
Galatians 3:22 (UASV) — 22 But the scriptures shut up all things under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to them who believe.
Philippians 3:9 (UASV) — 9 and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own from the Law, but one through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God based on faith,
Where Christ is the subject rather than the object of faith
Peterlag
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Oh I see you use a different Bible that believes Jesus does not have faith and so do you believe it was our faith that saved ourselves and not the faith of Jesus Christ?
Peterlag
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Are you telling me Jesus does not have faith and so do you believe it was our faith that saved ourselves and not the faith of Jesus Christ?
Peterlag
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Oh I see you use a different Bible that believes Jesus does not have faith and so do you believe it was our faith that saved ourselves and not the faith of Jesus Christ?
Complete
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Romans 3:22
Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ...
Galatians 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ...
Galatians 3:22
But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ...
Philippians 3:9
And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ...
I do not think that the verses quoted above are a bad translation, and to limit the wording to, 'faith in Christ', is to lose a wealth of meaning which the use of the words, 'by faith of Jesus Christ' provide. Look at the words of Galatians 2:16, which makes a distinction between believing in Jesus Christ, and the faith of Jesus Christ. We are saved by His act of faith in dying in our place, surely: and by believing in Him we are not only acknowledging His person, as the Son of God, but His work, as being all sufficient for the salvation of our souls in the sight of God the Father.
'Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law,
but by the faith of Jesus Christ,
even we have believed in Jesus Christ,
that we might be justified by the faith of Christ,
and not by the works of the law:
for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.'
(Gal 2:16)
Please consider.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ...
Galatians 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ...
Galatians 3:22
But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ...
Philippians 3:9
And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ...
Hello @civic & @Peterlag,
I do not think that the verses quoted above are a bad translation, and to limit the wording to, 'faith in Christ', is to lose a wealth of meaning which the use of the words, 'by faith of Jesus Christ' provide. Look at the words of Galatians 2:16, which makes a distinction between believing in Jesus Christ, and the faith of Jesus Christ. We are saved by His act of faith in dying in our place, surely: and by believing in Him we are not only acknowledging His person, as the Son of God, but His work, as being all sufficient for the salvation of our souls in the sight of God the Father.
'Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law,
but by the faith of Jesus Christ,
even we have believed in Jesus Christ,
that we might be justified by the faith of Christ,
and not by the works of the law:
for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.'
(Gal 2:16)
Please consider.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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Complete
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The verse is properly tranlated thusly
Galatians 2:16 (UASV) — 16 but knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law, since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.
faith in Christ = believed in Christ
civic
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Ditto
context and grammar decide the issue
Galatians 2:15–16 (ESV) — 15 We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; 16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
Galatians 2:16 (LSB) — 16 nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.
Galatians 2:15–16 (NIV) — 15 “We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles 16 know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.
Galatians 2:15–16 (NASB 2020) — 15 “We are Jews by nature and not sinners from the Gentiles; 16 nevertheless, knowing that a person is not justified by works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the Law; since by works of the Law no flesh will be justified.
Galatians 2:16 (KJV 1900) — 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
but no matter which translation employed one cannot escape the fact one must believe in Christ to be justified
praise_yeshua
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I didn't say anything about faith in my last response. I asked you a question that you're avoiding.
You made a nonsensical argument.
There is never any questions concerning the relationship of the Father and the Son. It is an Eternal relationship that preexisted what we know about creation. It is perfect.
Our relationship to faith isn't perfect. It must grow. The greater the faith the more accomplished.
Complete
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'Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law,
but by the faith of Jesus Christ,
even we have believed in Jesus Christ,
that we might be justified by the faith of Christ,
and not by the works of the law:
for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.'
Galatians 2:16 (KJV)
Hello @TomL,
With respect, I still believe the KJV has the better wording, not because it is my translation of choice, but because it places the emphasis on Christ Himself, and not upon the believer.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
But why should the emphasis be placed on Christ here as The passage clearly teaches the need to have faith in Christ to be justified?
Galatians 2:16–17 (KJV 1900) — 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. 17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
Complete
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Subject Heading:- The unending requirement of faith
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law,
but by the faith of Jesus Christ,
even we have believed in Jesus Christ,
that we might be justified by the faith of Christ,
and not by the works of the law:
for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.'
(Gal 2:15-16)
Hello again @TomL,
Because the contrast is between 'the works of the law' and 'the faith of Jesus Christ', in relation to justification.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
'We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law,
but by the faith of Jesus Christ,
even we have believed in Jesus Christ,
that we might be justified by the faith of Christ,
and not by the works of the law:
for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.'
(Gal 2:15-16)
Hello again @TomL,
Because the contrast is between 'the works of the law' and 'the faith of Jesus Christ', in relation to justification.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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brightfame52
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Heb 12:2 indicates Jesus had Faith !
2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
That He had Trust Heb 2:13
13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.
brightfame52
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Making Faith a requirement for salvation is law keeping. Matt 23:23
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
So you will be required to have kept the whole Law for your salvation, and better have kept it perfectly !