The Trinity study ,plural references to God in the Old Testament:Plural nouns, pronouns, verbs, adverbs

Yep, I am 100% certain.

Immanuel = God with us or God is with us --- God was with us through Jesus Christ - God was not with us literally, but working powerfully throught his Son, just as 2 Corinthians 5:19 indicates: “That God was in Christ, reconciling the world to Himself” (NKJV). It is important to read exactly what was written: God was in Christ, not God was Christ.

The woman said to him, “I know that Messiah is coming (he who is called Christ). When he comes, he will tell us all things.” Jesus said to her, “I who speak to you am he......... Yes, Jesus is the Messiah. And yes, he was 'before Abraham' in the foreknowledge of God.
Not with us personally???

JESUS Says, "If you have seen ME you have seen the FATHER" = EQUALITY of PERSON = PERSON is GOD

"That all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father.
He that does not honor the Son does not honor the Father which sent him."
 
Not with us personally???
Scripture says that God was IN Christ not Christ is God ---- scripture says that the Father was IN Jesus NOT Jesus was God.
God and Christ are IN us spiritually if we are born again of the spirit. Jesus prayed about that --- regarding the Father IN HIM and HIM IN THE FATHER ---- that we also may be IN THEM ---- Jesus IN US and God IN him. CHRIST IN US THE HOPE OF GLORY!

....that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me....... I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me. [John 17:21,23]
JESUS Says, "If you have seen ME you have seen the FATHER" = EQUALITY of PERSON = PERSON is GOD
Yea, sure - not equally but qualitatively ---- Jesus perfectly reflected the character of God so when we see him we see the Father reflected through him.

If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on you do know him and have seen him........Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say 'Show us the Father'? (HOW?) Do you not believe that I am IN the Father and the Father is IN me?......Believe me that I am IN the Father and the Father is IN me or else believe on account of the works themselves [John 14:7,9, 10a,11]

Who did the works? Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that GOD DID THROUGH HIM in your midst, as you yourselves know..... [Acts 2:22]
"That all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father.
He that does not honor the Son does not honor the Father which sent him."
Yes, that is correct --- but please NOTE: it is the Father which sent him ---- therefore, the ONE SENT is NOT THE ONE WHO SENT HIM.

The SENDER does not = the one sent nor does the one SENT = the SENDER.
 
Scripture says that God was IN Christ
CORRECT = IMMANUEL = GOD with us

not Christ in God
FALSE

The Scripture Declares that Christ and God are inseparable = "The WORD was GOD"

Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father’s name, they bear witness of Me. But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.
My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.
I and My Father are One.”
Believe Me that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me;


JESUS told you = but you do not believe His words
 
Stop making Jesus out to be someone he isn't.

Yes, I don't need run down every rabbit hole with you all if I can just sweep your arguments off their feet with one point. The premise and conclusion cannot follow soundly since coming into the world is demonstrably about just simply being born. Actually, people still talk this way about live birth. When someone is born they say they brought them into the world.
If you can do such swift sweeping, then share those rather than pushing your bad stuff here.
 
CORRECT = IMMANUEL = GOD with us
Yes, spiritually God is with us through Christ because he is in Christ.
FALSE
The Scripture Declares that Christ and God are inseparable = "The WORD was GOD"
Nope. Jesus perfectly reflected the character of God so when we see him we see the Father reflected through him.
Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father’s name, they bear witness of Me. But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.
My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.
I and My Father are One.”
Believe Me that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me;


JESUS told you = but you do not believe His words
Oh, LOOK 👀 The works Jesus did was IN HIS FATHER'S NAME (God's name) meaning in his Father's authority (God's authority)

I totally believe his words and Yes, I AGREE that JESUS is IN the FATHER and the FATHER IS IN ME......I just quoted how they are one and we are also one IN THEM in John 17
Scripture says that God was IN Christ not Christ is God ---- scripture says that the Father was IN Jesus NOT Jesus was God.
God and Christ are IN us spiritually if we are born again of the spirit. Jesus prayed about that --- regarding the Father IN HIM and HIM IN THE FATHER ---- that we also may be IN THEM ---- Jesus IN US and God IN him. CHRIST IN US THE HOPE OF GLORY!

....that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me....... I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me. [John 17:21,23]
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If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on you do know him and have seen him........Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say 'Show us the Father'? (HOW?) Do you not believe that I am IN the Father and the Father is IN me?......Believe me that I am IN the Father and the Father is IN me or else believe on account of the works themselves [John 14:7,9, 10a,11]

Who did the works? Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that GOD DID THROUGH HIM in your midst, as you yourselves know..... [Acts 2:22]

Yes, that is correct --- but please NOTE: it is the Father which sent him ---- therefore, the ONE SENT is NOT THE ONE WHO SENT HIM.

The SENDER does not = the one sent nor does the one SENT = the SENDER.
 
The Bible doesn't say "incarnation" but "became flesh," the bloodless Word though was God, emptied Himself the form of God and take the form of a servant in the likeness of man/flesh that had blood to shed for the hope of salvation to us all in faith.
Good, thank you for acknowledging that the Bible doesn't use your terminology to describe the Word. The Bible says the "Word became flesh" meaning that it became something it previously was not, while simultaneously didn't cease to exist. You cannot have your non-physical immaterial Word and the Word being flesh at the same time because there isn't an incarnation. See John 1:3,14 "All things were made...the Word became flesh" means Jesus was created.
Was the disciples that worship Jesus commit idolatry? (Mat 28:17)
Was all the creation in heaven and on earth, etc., and the elders commit idolatry when they worshiped the Father and Jesus?
I might say, test your theories, and answer with Bible verses not just own private interpretation.

Rev 5:13 And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying, "To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever."
Rev 5:14 And the four living creatures kept saying, "Amen." And the elders fell down and worshiped.
Jesus was never worshipped as God in the Bible. In Revelation 5, Jesus isn't the One on the throne that they were worshipping. Jesus came to the One on the throne where they were worshipping. Jesus was probably worshipping the One on the throne with them.

Revelation 5
7And He came and took the scroll from the right hand of the One seated on the throne.
The word "became" with Strong#G1096, in Greek "γίνομαι ginomai" Bible Lexicons defined it as means - to come, to acquire or experience a state, to become, the Word became a human being' or 'the Word became a person' John 1:14, come into existence, begin to be, to become and etc.

Through Bible lexicons definitions it means that the Word became human being or person, to become flesh, to come into existence as flesh, begin to be flesh and etc., and no definition as being created.

Joh 1:14 And R1the WordG3056 R2becameG1096 fleshG4561, and N1 R3dweltG4637 amongG1722 us, and R4we sawG2300 His gloryG1391, gloryG1391 as of N2the onlyG3439 begottenG3439 from the FatherG3962, fullG4134 of R5graceG5485 and R6truthG225.

NT:1096 (Louw and Nida Greek-English Lexicon)
γίνομαι ginomai

to come, to acquire or experience a state, to become, the Word became a human being' or 'the Word became a person' John 1:14;
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)

G1096 (Thayer)
γίνομαι ginomai
1)
to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being
2) to become, i.e. to come to pass, happen
2a) of events
3) to arise, appear in history, come upon the stage
3a) of men appearing in public
4) to be made, finished
4a) of miracles, to be performed, wrought
5) to become, be made

G1096 (TDNT)
γίνομαι ginomai
It means in the literal sense
become, originate, come into existence.
(from Exegetical Dictionary of the New Testament © 1990 by William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company. All rights reserved.)
Right, so everywhere in the Greek New Testament or LXX, where the word "became" is used, does it ever once describe an incarnation? Is there any precedent for the novel doctrine you are promoting?
The word "before" with Strong#G4413, in Greek "πρῶτος prōtos" defined by various Bible Lexicons as means - pertaining to a point of time earlier in a sequence, etc.

Thus, as the Word became human named Jesus, Who is Jesus before He became human?
A very simple logic, He existed as the Word that was God in the beginning, through the Word all things were created, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

John 1:15 JohnG2491 *R1testifiedG3140 aboutG4012 Him and criedG2896 out, sayingG3004, "ThisG3778 was He of whomG3739 I saidG3004, 'R2He who comesG2064 afterG3694 me N1hasG1096 a higherG1715 rankG1715 than I, R3for He existedG1510 beforeG4413 me.'"

G4413 (Louw and Nida Greek-English Lexicon)
πρῶτος prōtos

pertaining to a point of time earlier in a sequence - 'before, former, formerly.
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)

G4413 (TDNT)
πρῶτος prōtos
More common is the meaning
"first" in time, number, or sequence
(from Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, abridged edition, Copyright © 1985 by William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company. All rights reserved.)

G4413 (Vine's)
πρῶτος prōtos

denotes "the first," whether in time or place.
(from Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words, Copyright © 1985, Thomas Nelson Publishers.)

G4413 (Thayer)
πρῶτος prōtos
1)
first in time or place
1a) in any succession of things or persons
2) first in rank
2a) influence, honour
2b) chief
2c) principal
3)
first, at the first
You have used your lexicon to discover that "before" in John 1:15 says "first in rank, influence, chief, principal" meaning that John 1:15 doesn't guarantee that Jesus was chronologically before John the Baptist. John was pointing at a human and saying "He was before me" so where was the human John was referring to before himself? John referred to Jesus as a man, not God in the passage.

The man Jesus is not before John the Baptist in time, but rather Jesus is "before" John in importance. This is a common mistake trinitarians make because they typically wrongly believe Jesus pre-existed.

John 1
29The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! 30This is He of whom I said, ‘A man who comes after me has surpassed me because He was before me.
 
Yes, spiritually God is with us through Christ because he is in Christ.

Nope. Jesus perfectly reflected the character of God so when we see him we see the Father reflected through him.

Oh, LOOK 👀 The works Jesus did was IN HIS FATHER'S NAME (God's name) meaning in his Father's authority (God's authority)

I totally believe his words and Yes, I AGREE that JESUS is IN the FATHER and the FATHER IS IN ME......I just quoted how they are one and we are also one IN THEM in John 17
"I and My Father are One.”
"Believe Me that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me;"


JESUS told you = but you do not believe His words

What prevents you from believing the words of GOD???
 
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