The Trinity made easy

[praise_yeshua]

Hi, praise yeshua

May God keep you safe and happy this year 2026.

If I love Jesus, I must love ALSO my father and mother. I must ALSO love my brothers and sisters.
By saying “also” we mean they are not the same individual. Otherwise there would not be any need to say “also “.
For example, we shouldn’t say: “I believe in the current President of the USA and also in Donald Trump”… because they are the same individual.
Do you agree?

Jesus was appointed/anointed by God to speak and act on behalf of Him.
Jesus explained this in the parable of the king who sends messengers to the workers of his vineyard. Do you remember that parable?
The workers should have listened to the king’s messengers and respected the king’s messengers as if they were listening and respecting the king Himself.

Did you notice that word "more" in what Jesus said.

You can love a maggot on a spoiled piece of meat for all that it matters.

Your issues is with the practically zero love you show toward Jesus. This isn't going to go well for you. You don't love Jesus "MORE" than what I would reference as a "maggot on a gut truck".

There is rank in how you love that is EVERYTHING to the "Father" you claim to know.

 

[praise_yeshua]

you like most don't know anything. It is not your fault. But do try more.

Christ who is our Deity will sort it all out soon. meantime all of us have a job to get very humble.

Best to let go of theologies esau had drilled in.. bullied into souls. And follow Him instead.

Did Jacob love Esau?

 

[amazing grace]

And a side comment before you start to read what I wrote.... you might want to scroll down to

Why God’s name is NOT in the New Testament​

For I posted a much longer and more involved reply on this I think yeaterday... but this is just for a reminder

John 20:28 (NWT)
In answer Thomas said to him: “My Lord and my God!”

Thomas is not speaking to heaven.
He is speaking to Jesus.

Greek grammar proves it .....the phrase is addressed directly to Christ:

EVEN You cannot escape this:

1. Thomas calls Jesus “my God”

2. Jesus does not correct him

3. Jesus accepts the worship

If that were blasphemy, Jesus would have rebuked him like the angels do in Revelation 19:10.
He doesn’t ! — because it was true.

Is Thomas calling Jesus the ONE TRUE God or is he finally recognizing and acknowledging that Jesus was the exact representation of God, aka the Father insomuch that Jesus had taught them: 'Whoever has seen me has seen the Father when you had seen him you had seen the Father' @ John 14:9. Using the title 'God' for a human being was not an uncommon thing.

2) John 17:3 does NOT deny Christ’s deity
They quote:

But that is exactly how Trinitarian theology works.

Jesus is not saying:

He is saying:

Notice what Jesus also says in the same prayer:

John 17:5

No created being had glory before the universe existed.
Only God did.

So Jesus places Himself:

Before creation ,sharing God’s glory with the Father.

That is deity.

Actually, John 17:3 does remove Jesus from the category of the ONLY TRUE GOD. Jesus clearly delineates himself FROM the Father by saying - YOU Father are the ONLY TRUE GOD and Jesus is the ONE WHOM GOD SENT.
Eternal life is in knowing that the Father IS the ONLY TRUE GOD and in knowing Jesus Christ whom God has sent.

God sent him to accomplish a mission.........Upon completion of the mission, Jesus would receive the glory promised him by God his Father ----- Jesus wasn't glorified until he ascended. Remember @ John 7:49 the holy spirit had not yet been given for Jesus was not yet glorified? Jesus poured out the gift of holy spirit on the day of Pentecost 10 days after his ascension.
Jesus also in the same prayer says the he has given us the glory God has given him ---- the glory you have given me I have given them ----- we have glory promised but that glory will not be realized until our resurrection----It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory......

1 Corinthians 8:6 actually proves Jesus is YHWH They quote: “For us there is one God, the Father…”

But they ignore the rest:

1 Corinthians 8:6 “One God, the Father, from whom are all things… and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things.”

Paul is rewriting Deuteronomy 6:4 (the Shema):
“YHWH is one.”

In the OT:
YHWH = the source of all things

YHWH = the Creator

Paul splits YHWH’s identity between:

the Father (source)

the Son (agent)

Creation comes from the Father and Creation comes through the Son

That means Jesus is included in the identity of YHWH.

Paul would NEVER mess with the Shema . . . . He would never rewrite the Shema from Deut. 6:4 nor from Mark 12:29 ---- The Scribe agreeing with Jesus regarding the great commandment in the law - You are right, Teacher: You have truly said that he is one, and there is no other besides him......and when Jesus saw that he answered wisely, he said to him 'You are not far from the kingdom of God'.

Paul is teaching the Corinthian church NEW things.....concerning the eating of food....foods offered to idols --- "an idol has no real existence and that 'there is no God but one.' For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth ---- as indeed there are many 'gods' and many 'lords' ---- YET, FOR US there is one God, the Father from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ through whom are all things and through whom we exist.' and Paul continues his narration --- food will not commend us to God - no worse off if we eat it or if we don't eat it....but if it causes your brother to stumble, don't eat that which would cause your brother to stumble. BTW, if Paul was changing the Shema - Wouldn't he have said - There is no God but one God in three persons? For us there is one God who exists as the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit?

If you think about it - this is probably referring collectively to the church and personally about the new creation in Christ, i.e. those of us who are born again are new creatures in Christ and nothing to do with the Genesis creation......through Jesus we are reconciled to God, through Jesus we get the new birth, through Jesus we are new creations.

This basically backs up John 17:3 YOU Father are the only true God and Jesus Christ is the one whom God has sent - Jesus who God made both Lord and Messiah.

Part 1 ---- This is fun being on ignore!!!

 

[amazing grace]

Why God’s name is NOT in the New Testament
This is devastating to the “7000 times removed” myth.

A) The NT writers quoted the Greek OT​

By the time of Jesus, most Jews used the Septuagint (LXX).
In it, YHWH was already replaced by Kyrios (Lord).

The apostles quoted that Bible ~ not some Hebrew-only version.

So when they wrote:

“Lord”

They were quoting the Bible they used.

---

B) The New Testament applies YHWH verses to Jesus​

Example:

Joel 2:32
“Everyone who calls on the name of YHWH will be saved.”
Romans 10:13
“Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

But Romans 10:9–12 says that “Lord” is Jesus.

So Paul just took a YHWH verse…
and applied it to Jesus.

That is why the divine name disappears —
because Jesus now bears it.

Correct, Joel 2:32 is about calling on the name of the LORD, i.e. YHWH.
Romans 10:13 is about calling on the name of the Lord, i.e. Jesus.
That does not make Jesus Yahweh.......it just means that now we are to call upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.....
To the church of God that is in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints together with all those who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, both their Lord and ours: [1 Cor. 1:2]

Yes, we are to confess Jesus is Lord and believe God raised him from the dead....... so in your view - we are to confess Jesus is Yahweh and believe Yahweh raised him from the dead?

Does Jesus come in his Father's name? YES. And the crowds that went before him and that followed him were shouting, “Hosanna to the Son of David! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord! Hosanna in the highest!” [Matt. 21:9, 23:39; Mark 11:9; Luke 13:35; 19:38; John 12:13]
I have come in my Father's name, and you do not receive me. If another comes in his own name, you will receive him. [John 5:43]

C) Jesus Himself replaces the Name
Jesus says:

“I have come in My Father’s name” (John 5:43)
“I have made Your name known” (John 17:6)

How?

By revealing God as Father and Himself as the Son.

The Name is no longer just four letters —
it is now revealed in a Person.

Coming in his Father's name......making the Father's name known ---- IS NOT replacing the NAME of YHWH!!!

Jesus did reveal God as his Father ---- He came to make known the Father. The Father, the only true God SENT the Son to represent him, to act as his agent - the one through whom we receive salvation.
This doesn't mean that Jesus replaces the name of YHWH......totally ridiculous.

So this leaves us with....​

They say:

“Jehovah is the only true God.”
The Bible agrees.

They say:

“Jesus is not Jehovah.”
The Bible disagrees.

Jesus:

has God’s glory

Did Jesus have God's glory or did Jesus do everything to the glory of God? I can't seem to find where Jesus had God's glory?

does God’s works

“Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know— [Acts 2:22]

receives God’s worship

Jesus is never worshiped AS Almighty God ---- He was given homage, and honor due him as the Messiah, the Son of God.
proskyneō - 1. in the NT by kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication; used of homage shown to men and beings of superior rank a. to the Jewish high priests, to God, to Christ, etc.

bears God’s Name

is called “My God” even in the NWT

They don’t have a Bible problem.

They have a Jesus problem.

Where does Jesus bear God's name? I see where he comes in the name of the Lord and he comes in his Father's name as any agent would do ---- come in the name of the one who sent them.

Yes, Jesus is called 'My God' but not in the sense of God Almighty, or God his Father, the only True God ---- that would be a contradiction of scripture. Jesus cannot be God for he has a God and his God is our God just as his Father is our Father.
[John 20:17] I'm NOT a JW but as far as a Jesus problem ---- it's not us that has the Jesus problem.

So now you see that when even the NWT calls Jesus “My Lord and my God” (John 20:28), and Jesus accepts it.
John 17:3 does not deny Jesus is God ..... it distinguishes the Father as God’s source, just like 1 Cor 8:6 includes Jesus in creation itself.

If all things were created through Jesus, then Jesus cannot be a created thing ~ that would mean He created Himself.

--- distinguishes the Father as God's source --- What the heck does that even mean?
John 17:3 exclusively prohibits Jesus being God.......the Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD therefore Jesus cannot be God.--- Jesus is the one whom God sent!

Honestly, I think 1 Cor. 8:6 comes closer to the creation of now 'being in Christ', the new creation more than with the Genesis creation because it is through Jesus that we come to God and it is through Jesus we receive the new birth ---- salvation is through Jesus.

Jesus, a human being, was miraculously created in the womb of Mary.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Is Thomas calling Jesus the ONE TRUE God or is he finally recognizing and acknowledging that Jesus was the exact representation of God, aka the Father insomuch that Jesus had taught them: 'Whoever has seen me has seen the Father when you had seen him you had seen the Father' @ John 14:9. Using the title 'God' for a human being was not an uncommon thing.

Actually, John 17:3 does remove Jesus from the category of the ONLY TRUE GOD. Jesus clearly delineates himself FROM the Father by saying - YOU Father are the ONLY TRUE GOD and Jesus is the ONE WHOM GOD SENT.
Eternal life is in knowing that the Father IS the ONLY TRUE GOD and in knowing Jesus Christ whom God has sent.

God sent him to accomplish a mission.........Upon completion of the mission, Jesus would receive the glory promised him by God his Father ----- Jesus wasn't glorified until he ascended. Remember @ John 7:49 the holy spirit had not yet been given for Jesus was not yet glorified? Jesus poured out the gift of holy spirit on the day of Pentecost 10 days after his ascension.
Jesus also in the same prayer says the he has given us the glory God has given him ---- the glory you have given me I have given them ----- we have glory promised but that glory will not be realized until our resurrection----It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory......

Paul would NEVER mess with the Shema . . . . He would never rewrite the Shema from Deut. 6:4 nor from Mark 12:29 ---- The Scribe agreeing with Jesus regarding the great commandment in the law - You are right, Teacher: You have truly said that he is one, and there is no other besides him......and when Jesus saw that he answered wisely, he said to him 'You are not far from the kingdom of God'.

Paul is teaching the Corinthian church NEW things.....concerning the eating of food....foods offered to idols --- "an idol has no real existence and that 'there is no God but one.' For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth ---- as indeed there are many 'gods' and many 'lords' ---- YET, FOR US there is one God, the Father from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ through whom are all things and through whom we exist.' and Paul continues his narration --- food will not commend us to God - no worse off if we eat it or if we don't eat it....but if it causes your brother to stumble, don't eat that which would cause your brother to stumble. BTW, if Paul was changing the Shema - Wouldn't he have said - There is no God but one God in three persons? For us there is one God who exists as the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit?

If you think about it - this is probably referring collectively to the church and personally about the new creation in Christ, i.e. those of us who are born again are new creatures in Christ and nothing to do with the Genesis creation......through Jesus we are reconciled to God, through Jesus we get the new birth, through Jesus we are new creations.

This basically backs up John 17:3 YOU Father are the only true God and Jesus Christ is the one whom God has sent - Jesus who God made both Lord and Messiah.

Part 1 ---- This is fun being on ignore!!!

All that for NOTHING....

Mat 10:37 Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
Mat 10:38 And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.
Mat 10:39 Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

Do you love Jesus more than your FATHER or mother? Do you love your son or daughter MORE than Jesus?

Have you lost your life for Jesus?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Correct, Joel 2:32 is about calling on the name of the LORD, i.e. YHWH.
Romans 10:13 is about calling on the name of the Lord, i.e. Jesus.
That does not make Jesus Yahweh.......it just means that now we are to call upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.....
To the church of God that is in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints together with all those who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, both their Lord and ours: [1 Cor. 1:2]

Yes, we are to confess Jesus is Lord and believe God raised him from the dead....... so in your view - we are to confess Jesus is Yahweh and believe Yahweh raised him from the dead?

Does Jesus come in his Father's name? YES. And the crowds that went before him and that followed him were shouting, “Hosanna to the Son of David! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord! Hosanna in the highest!” [Matt. 21:9, 23:39; Mark 11:9; Luke 13:35; 19:38; John 12:13]
I have come in my Father's name, and you do not receive me. If another comes in his own name, you will receive him. [John 5:43]

Coming in his Father's name......making the Father's name known ---- IS NOT replacing the NAME of YHWH!!!

Jesus did reveal God as his Father ---- He came to make known the Father. The Father, the only true God SENT the Son to represent him, to act as his agent - the one through whom we receive salvation.
This doesn't mean that Jesus replaces the name of YHWH......totally ridiculous.

Did Jesus have God's glory or did Jesus do everything to the glory of God? I can't seem to find where Jesus had God's glory?

“Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know— [Acts 2:22]

Jesus is never worshiped AS Almighty God ---- He was given homage, and honor due him as the Messiah, the Son of God.
proskyneō - 1. in the NT by kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication; used of homage shown to men and beings of superior rank a. to the Jewish high priests, to God, to Christ, etc.

Where does Jesus bear God's name? I see where he comes in the name of the Lord and he comes in his Father's name as any agent would do ---- come in the name of the one who sent them.

Yes, Jesus is called 'My God' but not in the sense of God Almighty, or God his Father, the only True God ---- that would be a contradiction of scripture. Jesus cannot be God for he has a God and his God is our God just as his Father is our Father.
[John 20:17] I'm NOT a JW but as far as a Jesus problem ---- it's not us that has the Jesus problem.

--- distinguishes the Father as God's source --- What the heck does that even mean?
John 17:3 exclusively prohibits Jesus being God.......the Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD therefore Jesus cannot be God.--- Jesus is the one whom God sent!

Honestly, I think 1 Cor. 8:6 comes closer to the creation of now 'being in Christ', the new creation more than with the Genesis creation because it is through Jesus that we come to God and it is through Jesus we receive the new birth ---- salvation is through Jesus.

Jesus, a human being, was miraculously created in the womb of Mary.

You can't love your FATHER that you haven't seen.

 

[praise_yeshua]

All these arguments are often are little more that "playing in the weeds". Bluster. Postering. "Prating about". Trifle!

I try from time to time to bring the arguments of the Unitarians into a meaning area of conversation for everyone. Unitarians NEVER treat Jesus like the Scriptures demand.

NEVER.

Nothing but "lip serve" from Unitarians.

 

[amazing grace]

All that for NOTHING....

Mat 10:37 Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
Mat 10:38 And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.
Mat 10:39 Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

Do you love Jesus more than your FATHER or mother? Do you love your son or daughter MORE than Jesus?

Have you lost your life for Jesus?

Did not address anything I said and has no relevance to what I posted.

You can't love your FATHER that you haven't seen.

I can love the LORD my God through revelation from the OT scriptures and for whom Christ showed him to be - the God and Father of Jesus Christ, the only true God.

All these arguments are often are little more that "playing in the weeds". Bluster. Postering. "Prating about". Trifle!

I try from time to time to bring the arguments of the Unitarians into a meaning area of conversation for everyone. Unitarians NEVER treat Jesus like the Scriptures demand.

NEVER.

Nothing but "lip serve" from Unitarians.

Yea, bluster, postering, prating about, trifle . . . which is why you respond to the bluster, the postering, the prating about, the trifle in the manner you do.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Did not address anything I said and has no relevance to what I posted.

Sure it does. It deals with your disregard of Jesus Christ. You don't care about Jesus Christ.

I can love the LORD my God through revelation from the OT scriptures and for whom Christ showed him to be - the God and Father of Jesus Christ, the only true God.

No you can't. Prove it. This is just more disregard of Jesus Christ.

Yea, bluster, postering, prating about, trifle . . . which is why you respond to the bluster, the postering, the prating about, the trifle in the manner you do.

No. I asked you meaningful questions. I'll post them again.

1. Do you love Jesus more than your FATHER or mother? Do you love your son or daughter MORE than Jesus?

2. Have you lost your life for Jesus?

JESUS said you must do this or lose your life.

Mat 10:37 Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
Mat 10:38 And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.
Mat 10:39 Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

What you choose to talk about is largely meaningless until you admit that you don't care what Matthew 10:37-39 requires. Words that Jesus said Himself.

See be a "man". An adult and "man up" or "women up" and answer.

All this nonsense you're presenting means nothing if you're going to lose your life. Which you are.

Read it again.

Mat 10:37 Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
Mat 10:38 And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.
Mat 10:39 Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

 

[Keiw1]

And a side comment before you start to read what I wrote.... you might want to scroll down to

Why God’s name is NOT in the New Testament​

For I posted a much longer and more involved reply on this I think yeaterday... but this is just for a reminder

John 20:28 (NWT)
In answer Thomas said to him: “My Lord and my God!”

Thomas is not speaking to heaven.
He is speaking to Jesus.

Greek grammar proves it .....the phrase is addressed directly to Christ:


EVEN You cannot escape this:

1. Thomas calls Jesus “my God”

2. Jesus does not correct him

3. Jesus accepts the worship

If that were blasphemy, Jesus would have rebuked him like the angels do in Revelation 19:10.
He doesn’t ! — because it was true.

---

2) John 17:3 does NOT deny Christ’s deity​

They quote:

But that is exactly how Trinitarian theology works.

Jesus is not saying:


He is saying:


Notice what Jesus also says in the same prayer:

John 17:5


No created being had glory before the universe existed.
Only God did.

So Jesus places Himself:

Before creation ,sharing God’s glory with the Father.

That is deity.

---

1 Corinthians 8:6 actually proves Jesus is YHWH​

They quote:


But they ignore the rest:

1 Corinthians 8:6


Paul is rewriting Deuteronomy 6:4 (the Shema):


In the OT:
YHWH = the source of all things

YHWH = the Creator

Paul splits YHWH’s identity between:

the Father (source)

the Son (agent)

Creation comes from the Father and Creation comes through the Son

That means Jesus is included in the identity of YHWH.

---

Why God’s name is NOT in the New Testament​

This is devastating to the “7000 times removed” myth.

A) The NT writers quoted the Greek OT​

By the time of Jesus, most Jews used the Septuagint (LXX).
In it, YHWH was already replaced by Kyrios (Lord).

The apostles quoted that Bible ~ not some Hebrew-only version.

So when they wrote:



They were quoting the Bible they used.

---

B) The New Testament applies YHWH verses to Jesus​

Example:

Joel 2:32


Romans 10:13


But Romans 10:9–12 says that “Lord” is Jesus.

So Paul just took a YHWH verse…
and applied it to Jesus.

That is why the divine name disappears —
because Jesus now bears it.

---

C) Jesus Himself replaces the Name​

Jesus says:


How?

By revealing God as Father and Himself as the Son.

The Name is no longer just four letters —
it is now revealed in a Person.

So this leaves us with....​

They say:


The Bible agrees.

They say:


The Bible disagrees.

Jesus:

has God’s glory

does God’s works

receives God’s worship

bears God’s Name

is called “My God” even in the NWT

They don’t have a Bible problem.

They have a Jesus problem.

So now you see that when even the NWT calls Jesus “My Lord and my God” (John 20:28), and Jesus accepts it.
John 17:3 does not deny Jesus is God ..... it distinguishes the Father as God’s source, just like 1 Cor 8:6 includes Jesus in creation itself.

If all things were created through Jesus, then Jesus cannot be a created thing ~ that would mean He created Himself.

And Jesus teaches-- The Father is greater than i. In your scenario, your translations teach 2 different Gods, Paul is 100% clear at 1 Cor 8:6-names ONLY the Father as God. He was in heaven while Jesus was on Earth, Jesus is not his own Father.
The best path for you= learn all that Jesus teaches correctly. He directs his followers to his Father. Its all about the Father, his kingdom and his will, but in the #1 position is his Father's name( Lords prayer> The #1 issue for all involved. That is why one can be 100% confident that Jesus would use a translation with his Father's name in over 7000 spots where his Father willed it to be.

 

[amazing grace]

Sure it does. It deals with your disregard of Jesus Christ. You don't care about Jesus Christ.

Nothing I said showed a disregard for Jesus Christ.

No you can't. Prove it. This is just more disregard of Jesus Christ.

No one can PROVE what is in their heart to anyone........My words can express my belief but no one else can know what is in my heart save God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

No. I asked you meaningful questions. I'll post them again.

1. Do you love Jesus more than your FATHER or mother? Do you love your son or daughter MORE than Jesus?

2. Have you lost your life for Jesus?

JESUS said you must do this or lose your life.

Mat 10:37 Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
Mat 10:38 And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.
Mat 10:39 Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

What you choose to talk about is largely meaningless until you admit that you don't care what Matthew 10:37-39 requires. Words that Jesus said Himself.

Whatever I choose to talk about is meaningless until I admit something YOU REQUIRE.
I don't have to admit this to you or anyone for that matter. My God and my Lord Jesus Christ know what is in my heart.

See be a "man". An adult and "man up" or "women up" and answer.

All this nonsense you're presenting means nothing if you're going to lose your life. Which you are.

Read it again.

Mat 10:37 Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
Mat 10:38 And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.
Mat 10:39 Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

You do not know my spiritual status.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Nothing I said showed a disregard for Jesus Christ.

No one can PROVE what is in their heart to anyone........My words can express my belief but no one else can know what is in my heart save God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Whatever I choose to talk about is meaningless until I admit something YOU REQUIRE.
I don't have to admit this to you or anyone for that matter. My God and my Lord Jesus Christ know what is in my heart.

You do not know my spiritual status.

Have you lost your life for Jesus Christ. Do you love father and mother MORE than Christ

Honestly answering these questions will expose how you love Jesus.

You refuse to answer them for a reason. Your can't honestly answer these questions without contradicting what Jesus Christ demands.

Roar like a Lion. Be brave. Go for it.

 

[e v e]

Dear Eve
We want to follow Jesus to come to the Father.
The Father is our destination and our source.
The Father is who makes us wake up every morning, who gives us life, rain, sunshine, bread, the One who forgive our sins and keep us away from evil. The One we all pray to, we all adore and submit to.
The Father is Our Deity.

Christ is not deity?

what planet of the apes are you talking about.

oh right. this earth.

 

[e v e]

Did Jacob love Esau?

All that matters is that God hated esau. Still does.

jacob (most believers) is bullied by esau.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

All that matters is that God hated esau. Still does.

jacob (most believers) is bullied by esau.

If God truly hated Esau, why should we worship such god?

 

[praise_yeshua]

All that matters is that God hated esau. Still does.

jacob (most believers) is bullied by esau.

What did Esau do that was so sinful that you wouldn't have done yourself?

God didn't hate Esau like you're hating Esau.

 

[praise_yeshua]

If God truly hated Esau, why should we worship such god?

The only answer that you'll find for this is found ONLY in Jesus Christ. You know enough to determine this but you're resisting things you've committed personally and publicly to that are dead wrong.

 

[Studyman]

The trinity is a doctrine that must violate 4 pillars at every turn.

1. Definition
2. Logic
3. Language Usage
4. Explicit Scripture

Supporters of it must reject logic and embrace dualism, suppose contradictions exist. Not only is the trinty not in the Bible (neither the word nor the concept) but it goes against the Bible as we shall see. Trinitarians start by assuming their doctrine is correct, then develop rationalizations they claim "support" it while simultaneously ignoring evidence and arguments against it.


Found nowhere in Scripture.


The Father alone is identified explicity and synonymously as God throughout the NT Epistles, e.g., Eph 1:3 Blessed be God, the Father of our Lord Jesus. The juxtaposition of "God" rather than "the Father" throughout Scripture in comparison to Jesus is perhaps the strongest evidence that Jesus is not God.

Consider God so loved the world that he (singular) gave his (singular) only begotten son. NOTE: It does not say "the Father" did the giving. It does not say God came incarnate. From a language analysis perspective, "God" is the subject of the sentence doing the acting. The object of the sentence, being acted upon is "Jesus" who was not only begotten by God he was also given by God. It is not reasonable to conclude the subject of the sentence is the object of the sentence. There are many verses like this such as 1 Corinthians 11:3, God is the head of Christ. NOTE: It does not say "the Father" is the head of Christ. If Christ were God, such sentences serve no purpose.

Jesus says "the Father" is the only true God @ John 17:3. Nowhere in Scripture is Jesus said to be the one true God. This is the opposite of having the same quality. The EXACT opposite.

The Holy Spirit was not given all authority in heaven and Earth. This is the opposite of having the same quality of the son who was given this. The EXACT opposite. For those mathematicians out there, if Jesus were given all of X, how much can a person have of X who is not Jesus?

The son was raised from the dead by God. Acts 2:24 And the son is the servant of God. Acts 3:13. God made Jesus both Lord and Messiah. Acts 2:36. Jesus did not raise God from the dead. God is not Jesus' servant. And God was not made anything by Jesus. This is the opposite of having the same quality. The EXACT opposite.


The son admitted God is greater than he is and that God knows more than he does.



The Holy Spirit does not have ANY authority in heaven or Earth. A dualist must assert that Jesus has all authority AND deny this means the Holy Spirit has none.


The son died, proving he is not eternal.

By definition, a son is a created beings. Scripture even says Jesus was begotten, which means (pro-) created. Look it up.

I predict trinitarians will sweep aside all the Scripture verses I cited and only want their preferred citations up for discussion.

The creation of a triune god has been recorded in ancient history long before the Council of Nicaea made it a law. Back then many who chose to abide by the actual Word of God, and not the philosophies and traditions of the RCC, were burned at the stake. Today, they can only call you names and ban you from their forums and religious social clubs.

The foundation of this philosophy is rooted in the belief that God placed impossible Laws on the necks of men who trusted Him and therefore, only God could live by them. If the Rock of Israel became a mortal human being in the person of Jesus, and overcame Sin and temptation by Faith in God, as He requires of other men, then their entire religion starts falling apart.

It would expose another Jesus being promoted, a Jesus that reserved unto Himself God powers HE withheld from all other humans, and was able to over come sin and temptation by kicking in these God Powers no other human was allowed to have, when the going got tough for Him as it does for all humans. And of course, this would also mean that His Father then gave Him a Name above all other humans, for doing what anyone with the same God powers Christ withheld from them, could do.

It's a horribly demeaning philosophy that discredits the great Love and Devotion and Faith that Jesus chose to have towards His Father. And makes His Life a sham for just pretending to be a man, who was tempted, and who was killed, because God can't be affected by any of these things.

Your arguments are relevant and accurate. And good for you that you shared them. But they won't be received very well here.

 

[praise_yeshua]

The creation of a triune god has been recorded in ancient history long before the Council of Nicaea made it a law. Back then many who chose to abide by the actual Word of God, and not the philosophies and traditions of the RCC, were burned at the stake. Today, they can only call you names and ban you from their forums and religious social clubs.

The foundation of this philosophy is rooted in the belief that God placed impossible Laws on the necks of men who trusted Him and therefore, only God could live by them. If the Rock of Israel became a mortal human being in the person of Jesus, and overcame Sin and temptation by Faith in God, as He requires of other men, then their entire religion starts falling apart.

It would expose another Jesus being promoted, a Jesus that reserved unto Himself God powers HE withheld from all other humans, and was able to over come sin and temptation by kicking in these God Powers no other human was allowed to have, when the going got tough for Him as it does for all humans. And of course, this would also mean that His Father then gave Him a Name above all other humans, for doing what anyone with the same God powers Christ withheld from them, could do.

It's a horribly demeaning philosophy that discredits the great Love and Devotion and Faith that Jesus chose to have towards His Father. And makes His Life a sham for just pretending to be a man, who was tempted, and who was killed, because God can't be affected by any of these things.

Your arguments are relevant and accurate. And good for you that you shared them. But they won't be received very well here.

Mat 10:37 Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
Mat 10:38 And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.
Mat 10:39 Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

1. Have you lost your life for Jesus Christ?
2. Do you love father and mother MORE than Christ?
3. Do you love your son or daughter MORE than Christ?

Honestly answering these questions will expose how you love Jesus.

Isn't is crazy how people like you talk about the love and devotion of Christ toward the Father yet ignore the clearly presented truth that Christ DEMANDS SUCH.....

FROM YOU.

Yes. It is crazy and delusional for YOU "Studyman/Strawman" to talk about loving Jesus while appealing to His Father and IGNORING Him....

So answer the simple demands of Christ for YOU.

I already know your answer. Lets get it recorded for the Father to use it against you in judgement.

 

[Studyman]

Mat 10:37 Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
Mat 10:38 And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.
Mat 10:39 Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

1. Have you lost your life for Jesus Christ?
2. Do you love father and mother MORE than Christ?
3. Do you love your son or daughter MORE than Christ?

Honestly answering these questions will expose how you love Jesus.

Isn't is crazy how people like you talk about the love and devotion of Christ toward the Father yet ignore the clearly presented truth that Christ DEMANDS SUCH.....

FROM YOU.

Yes. It is crazy and delusional for YOU "Studyman/Strawman" to talk about loving Jesus while appealing to His Father and IGNORING Him....

So answer the simple demands of Christ for YOU.

I already know your answer. Lets get it recorded for the Father to use it against you in judgement.

Your anger, though unjustified, is quite natural and was predicted by the Lord's Christ Himself, if I chose to believe in Him over the religious traditions and philosophies of this world you have adopted and are now promoting. Just because you don't believe in His teaching doesn't mean everyone has.

I understand your reluctance to address the heart of the triune god philosophy. For it to stand, there can be no human. Nor can there be any "Faith". You are free to promote a Jesus who was the Author of a Faith HE never trusted in Himself. But I'm sticking with the Christ "of the Bible", who came in the Flesh.