The Trinity made easy

[praise_yeshua]

We think exactly the opposite, civic. That a person must put their blinders on when reading the four gospels to not see that Jesus spoke of Himself over and over as the Messenger or Anointed of the Father… that Jesus was not preaching a new God… that Jesus was, as any other Jew, a worshiper of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

The Jews who wanted to stone him were throwing a FALSE accusation on him (declaring Himself God).
Just as they accused Him of having plans to destroy the Temple. That was also a FALSE accusation.
Just as they accused Him of violating the Law of Moses. That was also a FALSE accusation.
Jesus had not declared Himself God and the proof is that He defended Himself from such FALSE accusation by arguing “If Scriptures call men gods, why would it be wrong for me to declare myself Son / The Annointed/ the Messenger of God?”

So Jesus was never blasphemous. He was FALSELY accused of being blasphemous.
Jesus always knew his place as a worshipper of The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob…a place that He shared with other Jews: “Go and tell my brothers: I go up to my Father and your Father, my God and your God”

Self serving nonsense.

The Son experience all things relative to being a man. This is exactly what Trinitarians preach. As such, The Son expressed worship toward the Father.

However, Jesus Christ was more than a man. You're just a man yourself . Jesus was/is better than you. So don't compare yourself to Him. That is blaspheme. You don't sit anywhere. You have no power nor authority. You're just a man. Stop treating Jesus like you.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Uh-Oh

You have sided with the 'stone throwers'

Isn't it odd that Jesus would say such a thing to all mankind...

Mat 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Mat 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

Mat 10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

I bet "Pancho" hasn't lost his life for Jesus Christ.

"Pancho" will lose his life without Jesus Christ.

 

[DavidTree]

Isn't odd that Jesus would say such a thing to all mankind...

Mat 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Mat 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

Mat 10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

I bet "Pancho" hasn't lost his life for Jesus Christ.

"Pancho" will lose his life without Jesus Christ.

@Pancho Frijoles, do you understand this statement from the Lord?

JESUS Says: “Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me."

 

[Keiw1]

John 20:28 the opposite of what you are claiming.

That's impossible in Gods bible. The misleading ones=Gods name removed over 7000 spots, this is the cause of confusion. Twisting What Thomas said is misleading you. Jesus is 100% clear at John 17:3--This means eternal life, their knowing you( Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and knowing the one whom you sent forth( Jesus) --The Father is the only true God. Paul taught it-1Cor 8:6)-YHVH(Jehovah) is the only true God, there is no other God besides him( Isaiah 44:6)

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

Uh-Oh

You have sided with the 'stone throwers'

Hi DavidTree

The stone throwers were false witnesses.
Jesus did NOT claim to be God.
Jesus did NOT claim to plan to destroy the Temple.
Jesus did NOT claim to undo the Law of Moses
Jesus did NOT claim to be the political king of Judea.

So, whoever wanted to kill Him, was on the basis of false accusations.

You probably think that the stone throwers were right in claiming blasphemy. They were not.
Claiming to be God was blasphemy, but Jesus was NOT claiming that. So His accusers were lying.
Please review in the same passage how Jesus defended Himself from the accusation of blasphemy. What to do you think about his argument?

 

[360watt]

We think exactly the opposite, civic. That a person must put their blinders on when reading the four gospels to not see that Jesus spoke of Himself over and over as the Messenger or Anointed of the Father… that Jesus was not preaching a new God… that Jesus was, as any other Jew, a worshiper of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

The Jews who wanted to stone him were throwing a FALSE accusation on him (declaring Himself God).
Just as they accused Him of having plans to destroy the Temple. That was also a FALSE accusation.
Just as they accused Him of violating the Law of Moses. That was also a FALSE accusation.
Jesus had not declared Himself God and the proof is that He defended Himself from such FALSE accusation by arguing “If Scriptures call men gods, why would it be wrong for me to declare myself Son / The Annointed/ the Messenger of God?”

So Jesus was never blasphemous. He was FALSELY accused of being blasphemous.
Jesus always knew his place as a worshipper of The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob…a place that He shared with other Jews: “Go and tell my brothers: I go up to my Father and your Father, my God and your God”

When Jesus used the word 'gods' it was in reference to the kind of human magistrates and judges of the time if I got the reference right.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

@Pancho Frijoles, do you understand this statement from the Lord?

JESUS Says: “Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me."

I do, my brother.
If we believe in God, we must ALSO believe in Jesus.
what do you think of the word “also” used by Jesus?

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

When Jesus used the word 'gods' it was in reference to the kind of human magistrates and judges of the time if I got the reference right.

That’s right.
Men are not gods. Human magistrates are not gods.
There is only One God: your Father, 369watt, who is also my Father, who is also civic’s Father, who is also Jesus’ Father.

 

[mikesw]

That’s right.
Men are not gods. Human magistrates are not gods.
There is only One God: your Father, 369watt, who is also my Father, who is also civic’s Father, who is also Jesus’ Father.

duh. And Jesus is One within that God, not a separate god. the point where the Psalm says "I said you are gods" was actually a rebuke. Although God was giving them a certain level of power or honorific standing, they were judged for their unjust decisions and partiality to the wicked. Jesus then was stating that judgment against them but still was able to show it is right to recognize Jesus's preexistence as deity.

 

[360watt]

duh. And Jesus is One within that God, not a separate god. the point where the Psalm says "I said you are gods" was actually a rebuke. Although God was giving them a certain level of power or honorific standing, they were judged for their unjust decisions and partiality to the wicked. Jesus then was stating that judgment against them but still was able to show it is right to recognize Jesus's preexistence as deity.

Yeah, the passage itself isn't saying what pancho is extrapolating

 

[praise_yeshua]

Yeah, the passage itself isn't saying what pancho is extrapolating

@Pancho Frijoles does not love Jesus. He has repeatedly admitted that he isn't a Christian at all. He is basically a Universalist that accepts all religions as be true except for Christianity.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I do, my brother.
If we believe in God, we must ALSO believe in Jesus.
what do you think of the word “also” used by Jesus?

A conjunction that binds the essential aspects and qualities of believing in the Father and The Son equally.

Do you love father and mother more than Jesus?

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

duh. And Jesus is One within that God, not a separate god. the point where the Psalm says "I said you are gods" was actually a rebuke. Although God was giving them a certain level of power or honorific standing, they were judged for their unjust decisions and partiality to the wicked. Jesus then was stating that judgment against them but still was able to show it is right to recognize Jesus's preexistence as deity.

If Jesus has his own mind, his own will, then He cannot be One with God in a literal way… only in a figurative way…in the same way Jesus wants us to be one with Him and with God.

So we cannot say that A is one with B and at the same time separate from B, if we are speaking literally.
And that’s why Trinity cannot be “made easy” to understand. It will always fall into a logical contradiction.

Trinitarians insist that the three persons are not three gods but one god. That makes of God a team, an organization, an assembly, which is not the way Jesus talked about God. Jesus preached of God as a Person, prayed to Him as a Person.
Jesus and the scribe agreed on the meaning of the Shema, Israel in the Torah.
Jesus never ever referred to God as a team, collective, assembly, institution, club, government, organization, company, church, forum, etc.

 

[mikesw]

If Jesus has his own mind, his own will, then He cannot be One with God in a literal way… only in a figurative way…in the same way Jesus wants us to be one with Him and with God.

So we cannot say that A is one with B and at the same time separate from B, if we are speaking literally.
And that’s why Trinity cannot be “made easy” to understand. It will always fall into a logical contradiction.
Trinitarians insist that the three persons are not three gods but one god. That makes of God a team, an organization, an assembly, which is not the way Jesus talked about God. Jesus preached of God as a Person, and prayed to Him as a person.

That just denies what scripture says. To reduce God to human thinking is a significant error and over estimates people's ability to have anticipated how God would reveal himself. John 1 shows Jesus's pre-existence as God. We are to conform our thoughts and understanding to that testimony rather than denying it.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

A conjunction that binds the essential aspects and qualities of believing in the Father and The Son equally.

Do you love father and mother more than Jesus?

Hi, praise yeshua

May God keep you safe and happy this year 2026.

If I love Jesus, I must love ALSO my father and mother. I must ALSO love my brothers and sisters.
By saying “also” we mean they are not the same individual. Otherwise there would not be any need to say “also “.
For example, we shouldn’t say: “I believe in the current President of the USA and also in Donald Trump”… because they are the same individual.
Do you agree?

Jesus was appointed/anointed by God to speak and act on behalf of Him.
Jesus explained this in the parable of the king who sends messengers to the workers of his vineyard. Do you remember that parable?
The workers should have listened to the king’s messengers and respected the king’s messengers as if they were listening and respecting the king Himself.

 

[e v e]

We think exactly the opposite, civic. That a person must put their blinders on when reading the four gospels to not see that Jesus spoke of Himself over and over as the Messenger or Anointed of the Father… that Jesus was not preaching a new God… that Jesus was, as any other Jew, a worshiper of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

The Jews who wanted to stone him were throwing a FALSE accusation on him (declaring Himself God).
Just as they accused Him of having plans to destroy the Temple. That was also a FALSE accusation.
Just as they accused Him of violating the Law of Moses. That was also a FALSE accusation.
Jesus had not declared Himself God and the proof is that He defended Himself from such FALSE accusation by arguing “If Scriptures call men gods, why would it be wrong for me to declare myself Son / The Annointed/ the Messenger of God?”

So Jesus was never blasphemous. He was FALSELY accused of being blasphemous.
Jesus always knew his place as a worshipper of The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob…a place that He shared with other Jews: “Go and tell my brothers: I go up to my Father and your Father, my God and your God”

you like most don't know anything. It is not your fault. But do try more.

Christ who is our Deity will sort it all out soon. meantime all of us have a job to get very humble.

Best to let go of theologies esau had drilled in.. bullied into souls. And follow Him instead.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

you like most don't know anything. It is not your fault. But do try more.

Christ who is our Deity will sort it all out soon. meantime all of us have a job to get very humble.

Best to let go of theologies esau had drilled in.. bullied into souls. And follow Him instead.

Dear Eve
We want to follow Jesus to come to the Father.
The Father is our destination and our source.
The Father is who makes us wake up every morning, who gives us life, rain, sunshine, bread, the One who forgive our sins and keep us away from evil. The One we all pray to, we all adore and submit to.
The Father is Our Deity.

 

[FreeInChrist]

That's impossible in Gods bible. The misleading ones=Gods name removed over 7000 spots, this is the cause of confusion. Twisting What Thomas said is misleading you. Jesus is 100% clear at John 17:3--This means eternal life, their knowing you( Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and knowing the one whom you sent forth( Jesus) --The Father is the only true God. Paul taught it-1Cor 8:6)-YHVH(Jehovah) is the only true God, there is no other God besides him( Isaiah 44:6)

And a side comment before you start to read what I wrote.... you might want to scroll down to

Why God’s name is NOT in the New Testament​

For I posted a much longer and more involved reply on this I think yeaterday... but this is just for a reminder

John 20:28 (NWT)
In answer Thomas said to him: “My Lord and my God!”

Thomas is not speaking to heaven.
He is speaking to Jesus.

Greek grammar proves it .....the phrase is addressed directly to Christ:

Ho Kyrios mou kai ho Theos mou
= “The Lord of me and the God of me.”

EVEN You cannot escape this:

1. Thomas calls Jesus “my God”

2. Jesus does not correct him

3. Jesus accepts the worship

If that were blasphemy, Jesus would have rebuked him like the angels do in Revelation 19:10.
He doesn’t ! — because it was true.

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2) John 17:3 does NOT deny Christ’s deity​

They quote:

“The Father is the only true God.”

But that is exactly how Trinitarian theology works.

Jesus is not saying:

“I am not God.”

He is saying:

“The Father is the only true God — and I am the one who reveals Him.”

Notice what Jesus also says in the same prayer:

John 17:5

*“Father, glorify Me *with the glory I had with You before the world existed.”

No created being had glory before the universe existed.
Only God did.

So Jesus places Himself:

Before creation ,sharing God’s glory with the Father.

That is deity.

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1 Corinthians 8:6 actually proves Jesus is YHWH​

They quote:

“For us there is one God, the Father…”

But they ignore the rest:

1 Corinthians 8:6

“One God, the Father, from whom are all things… and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things.”

Paul is rewriting Deuteronomy 6:4 (the Shema):

“YHWH is one.”

In the OT:
YHWH = the source of all things

YHWH = the Creator

Paul splits YHWH’s identity between:

the Father (source)

the Son (agent)

Creation comes from the Father and Creation comes through the Son

That means Jesus is included in the identity of YHWH.

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Why God’s name is NOT in the New Testament​

This is devastating to the “7000 times removed” myth.

A) The NT writers quoted the Greek OT​

By the time of Jesus, most Jews used the Septuagint (LXX).
In it, YHWH was already replaced by Kyrios (Lord).

The apostles quoted that Bible ~ not some Hebrew-only version.

So when they wrote:

“Lord”

They were quoting the Bible they used.

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B) The New Testament applies YHWH verses to Jesus​

Example:

Joel 2:32

“Everyone who calls on the name of YHWH will be saved.”

Romans 10:13

“Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

But Romans 10:9–12 says that “Lord” is Jesus.

So Paul just took a YHWH verse…
and applied it to Jesus.

That is why the divine name disappears —
because Jesus now bears it.

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C) Jesus Himself replaces the Name​

Jesus says:

“I have come in My Father’s name” (John 5:43)
“I have made Your name known” (John 17:6)

How?

By revealing God as Father and Himself as the Son.

The Name is no longer just four letters —
it is now revealed in a Person.

So this leaves us with....​

They say:

“Jehovah is the only true God.”

The Bible agrees.

They say:

“Jesus is not Jehovah.”

The Bible disagrees.

Jesus:

has God’s glory

does God’s works

receives God’s worship

bears God’s Name

is called “My God” even in the NWT

They don’t have a Bible problem.

They have a Jesus problem.

So now you see that when even the NWT calls Jesus “My Lord and my God” (John 20:28), and Jesus accepts it.
John 17:3 does not deny Jesus is God ..... it distinguishes the Father as God’s source, just like 1 Cor 8:6 includes Jesus in creation itself.

If all things were created through Jesus, then Jesus cannot be a created thing ~ that would mean He created Himself.

 

[DavidTree]

Hi DavidTree

The stone throwers were false witnesses.
Jesus did NOT claim to be God.
Jesus did NOT claim to plan to destroy the Temple.
Jesus did NOT claim to undo the Law of Moses
Jesus did NOT claim to be the political king of Judea.

So, whoever wanted to kill Him, was on the basis of false accusations.

You probably think that the stone throwers were right in claiming blasphemy. They were not.
Claiming to be God was blasphemy, but Jesus was NOT claiming that. So His accusers were lying.
Please review in the same passage how Jesus defended Himself from the accusation of blasphemy. What to do you think about his argument?

Good Morning

 

[DavidTree]

I do, my brother.
If we believe in God, we must ALSO believe in Jesus.
what do you think of the word “also” used by Jesus?

Can you see that JESUS always Unites Himself with His FATHER in respect to mankind?

Since "All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God", no man can ever Unite himself with the FATHER to be worshipped.

Yet the FATHER Commands everyone to kneel in worship before the LORD Jesus Christ.

2026 is a NEW Year = Let this be your Mind-Set-Go for 2026 and UPward

Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.