The Second Adam

[David Koberstein]

The first Adam dies and brought evil inclination on the world known as original sin.
The second Adam, which is called Yeshua, defeated that concept. So, in the first Adam
came death, and in the second Adam came life (See I Cor 15:45). You have life today,
because of Yeshua! Isn't that a marvelous thing!

Genesis 3:15 tells you right away the plan of God. That part of the Trinity, Son of Man,
the Angel of the LORD, is also referred to many times in the Bible, was to become a man.
The Word of God is what John 1:1 says. The Word of God was God and became flesh!
He became a man. The Word of God was the one that created all things. That's what it
says in Colossians 1:16, that Yeshua created all things! He's the creator! He wasn't just
some servient guy, there to take care of everyone's whims and desires. He was servient
to the Father and He listened to the Father while He was here on earth. But now He is
with the Father, and He and the Father are one. The Bible says while He was on earth,
He was made a little lower than the Elohim, which means a plural God (Ps. 8:5, Heb. 2: 7-9).
It says in Psalms that He was made a little lower than the angels; however, in
Strong's Concordance, "angels" refers to Elohim. Sometimes translated as "judge,"
sometimes "mighty," but it's talking about the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

So, what does Psalms mean that He was made a little lower than Elohim? It's about when
He became Yeshua. As a man, He was made a little lower than Elohim Himself, because
that's why He had to listen to the Father. Whatever the Father told Him, He did. Certain
things can be revealed only by the Father, because He did not at that time have 100%
of the knowledge His Father had while He was here on this earth. Remember, when He
was in His fleshly body, He said He didn't know the day or the hour of His return.
But He knows now. He's sitting at the right hand of the Father up there. He certainly knows
because He has the mind of the Father. He didn't know when He was walking on the earth,
so He constantly gave credit to His Father. He was somewhat limited in His knowledge.
That's what it means when it says that He was made a little lower than Elohim.
It's amazing what God has done.

By Messianic Rabbi Allan Moorhead

 

[101G]

The first Adam dies and brought evil inclination on the world known as original sin.
The second Adam, which is called Yeshua, defeated that concept. So, in the first Adam
came death, and in the second Adam came life (See I Cor 15:45). You have life today,
because of Yeshua! Isn't that a marvelous thing!

Genesis 3:15 tells you right away the plan of God. That part of the Trinity, Son of Man,
the Angel of the LORD, is also referred to many times in the Bible, was to become a man.
The Word of God is what John 1:1 says. The Word of God was God and became flesh!
He became a man. The Word of God was the one that created all things. That's what it
says in Colossians 1:16, that Yeshua created all things! He's the creator! He wasn't just
some servient guy, there to take care of everyone's whims and desires. He was servient
to the Father and He listened to the Father while He was here on earth. But now He is
with the Father, and He and the Father are one. The Bible says while He was on earth,
He was made a little lower than the Elohim, which means a plural God (Ps. 8:5, Heb. 2: 7-9).
It says in Psalms that He was made a little lower than the angels; however, in
Strong's Concordance, "angels" refers to Elohim. Sometimes translated as "judge,"
sometimes "mighty," but it's talking about the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

So, what does Psalms mean that He was made a little lower than Elohim? It's about when
He became Yeshua. As a man, He was made a little lower than Elohim Himself, because
that's why He had to listen to the Father. Whatever the Father told Him, He did. Certain
things can be revealed only by the Father, because He did not at that time have 100%
of the knowledge His Father had while He was here on this earth. Remember, when He
was in His fleshly body, He said He didn't know the day or the hour of His return.
But He knows now. He's sitting at the right hand of the Father up there. He certainly knows
because He has the mind of the Father. He didn't know when He was walking on the earth,
so He constantly gave credit to His Father. He was somewhat limited in His knowledge.
That's what it means when it says that He was made a little lower than Elohim.
It's amazing what God has done.

By Messianic Rabbi Allan Moorhead

First, GINOLJC,
second, the correct designation of the Lord Jesus the Christ is "THE LAST ADAM", and not the second Adam which was Eve.
third, Yes, Yeshua the Spirit, before he share himself in flesh CREATED and MADE ALL THINGS
fourth, listening to the Father, NONESENSE, ...... as the ARM of God, this is the criteria for being in flesh in a G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') state.

101G.

 

[David Koberstein]

First, GINOLJC,
second, the correct designation of the Lord Jesus the Christ is "THE LAST ADAM", and not the second Adam which was Eve.
third, Yes, Yeshua the Spirit, before he share himself in flesh CREATED and MADE ALL THINGS
fourth, listening to the Father, NONESENSE, ...... as the ARM of God, this is the criteria for being in flesh in a G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') state.

101G.

Again you are mistaken, I will adhere to the Messianic teaching on this. Your version is not credible with your word salad explanation.

 

[101G]

Again you are mistaken, I will adhere to the Messianic teaching on this. Your version is not credible with your word salad explanation.

is not the woman Eve a ADAM? yes, Genesis 5:1 "This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;" Genesis 5:2 "Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created."

well the salad just been served.

101G.

 

[101G]

@David Koberstein,
is not God himself is the First Man?

101G.

 

[David Koberstein]

Unfortunately, no one is eating it because its not organic or Kosher and besides there is too much artificial
ingredients in it. Since you don't know Hebrew I will teach it to you. Adam is Hebrew for a person and Adamah
is Hebrew for dust of the ground.

B'resheet (Genesis) 2:7
Then Adonai formed a person (Heb. adam) from the dust of the ground (Heb. adamah) and breathed into
his nostrils the breath of life, so that he became a living being.

B'resheet (Genesis 5:1-2)
Here is the genealogy of Adam. On that day that God created man he made him in the likeness of God;*
he created them male and female; he blessed them and called them Adam ("humankind") on the day they were created.

* On the day that God created man he made him in the likeness of God. This confirms the absolute unity and equality
of all peoples as image-bearers of God. (cf. Gen 1:26) Then God said, "Let us make humankind (Heb. adam) in our
image (reflection), in the likeness of ourselves , and let them rule over the fish in the sea, the birds in the air, the
animals, over all the earth, and over every crawling creature that crawls on the earth.

Shalom

 

[101G]

Unfortunately, no one is eating it because its not organic or Kosher and besides there is too much artificial
ingredients in it. Since you don't know Hebrew I will teach it to you. Adam is Hebrew for a person and Adamah
is Hebrew for dust of the ground.

B'resheet (Genesis) 2:7
Then Adonai formed a person (Heb. adam) from the dust of the ground (Heb. adamah) and breathed into
his nostrils the breath of life, so that he became a living being.

B'resheet (Genesis 5:1-2)
Here is the genealogy of Adam. On that day that God created man he made him in the likeness of God;*
he created them male and female; he blessed them and called them Adam ("humankind") on the day they were created.

* On the day that God created man he made him in the likeness of God. This confirms the absolute unity and equality
of all peoples as image-bearers of God. (cf. Gen 1:26) Then God said, "Let us make humankind (Heb. adam) in our
image (reflection), in the likeness of ourselves , and let them rule over the fish in the sea, the birds in the air, the
animals, over all the earth, and over every crawling creature that crawls on the earth.

Shalom

Now let 101G school you. was not the woman/the Female "in" the Man when he, (God Yeshua), made Adam? and was it not on day three when he created the Adam/the Man?

and as you said,
B'resheet (Genesis 5:1-2)
Here is the genealogy of Adam. On that day that God created man he made him in the likeness of God;*
he created them male and female; he blessed them and called them Adam ("humankind") on the day they were created.

well they are more than one, so there is a SECOND, which reprove your own words.

101G.

 

[David Koberstein]

Now let 101G school you. was not the woman/the Female "in" the Man when he, (God Yeshua), made Adam? and was it not on day three when he created the Adam/the Man?

and as you said,
B'resheet (Genesis 5:1-2)
Here is the genealogy of Adam. On that day that God created man he made him in the likeness of God;*
he created them male and female; he blessed them and called them Adam ("humankind") on the day they were created.

well they are more than one, so there is a SECOND, which reprove your own words.

101G.

I'm not a fan of your ignorance and misunderstanding. The whole human race is considered in Jewish thought as the first Adam, hence Adam is Hebrew for humankind. Yeshua is the second Adam born not of the first Adam but conceived by the Holy Spirit. Yeshua was able to do what the first Adam could not; live a sinless life and to be a perfect sacrifice for the first Adam's sins and redemption.
Shalom

 

[David Koberstein]

Now let 101G school you. was not the woman/the Female "in" the Man when he, (God Yeshua), made Adam? and was it not on day three when he created the Adam/the Man?

and as you said,
B'resheet (Genesis 5:1-2)
Here is the genealogy of Adam. On that day that God created man he made him in the likeness of God;*
he created them male and female; he blessed them and called them Adam ("humankind") on the day they were created.

well they are more than one, so there is a SECOND, which reprove your own words.

101G.

Another false belief of yours is that man was created on the third day as you posted, but he was created on the 6th day. Hence the number 6 in Hebrew is the number of man. It is also the number that represents grace.
Shalom

 

[civic]

Another false belief of yours is that man was created on the third day as you posted, but he was created on the 6th day. Hence the number 6 in Hebrew is the number of man. It is also the number that represents grace.
Shalom

Ditto

 

[Peterlag]

The first Adam dies and brought evil inclination on the world known as original sin.
The second Adam, which is called Yeshua, defeated that concept. So, in the first Adam
came death, and in the second Adam came life (See I Cor 15:45). You have life today,
because of Yeshua! Isn't that a marvelous thing!

Genesis 3:15 tells you right away the plan of God. That part of the Trinity, Son of Man,
the Angel of the LORD, is also referred to many times in the Bible, was to become a man.
The Word of God is what John 1:1 says. The Word of God was God and became flesh!
He became a man. The Word of God was the one that created all things. That's what it
says in Colossians 1:16, that Yeshua created all things! He's the creator! He wasn't just
some servient guy, there to take care of everyone's whims and desires. He was servient
to the Father and He listened to the Father while He was here on earth. But now He is
with the Father, and He and the Father are one. The Bible says while He was on earth,
He was made a little lower than the Elohim, which means a plural God (Ps. 8:5, Heb. 2: 7-9).
It says in Psalms that He was made a little lower than the angels; however, in
Strong's Concordance, "angels" refers to Elohim. Sometimes translated as "judge,"
sometimes "mighty," but it's talking about the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

So, what does Psalms mean that He was made a little lower than Elohim? It's about when
He became Yeshua. As a man, He was made a little lower than Elohim Himself, because
that's why He had to listen to the Father. Whatever the Father told Him, He did. Certain
things can be revealed only by the Father, because He did not at that time have 100%
of the knowledge His Father had while He was here on this earth. Remember, when He
was in His fleshly body, He said He didn't know the day or the hour of His return.
But He knows now. He's sitting at the right hand of the Father up there. He certainly knows
because He has the mind of the Father. He didn't know when He was walking on the earth,
so He constantly gave credit to His Father. He was somewhat limited in His knowledge.
That's what it means when it says that He was made a little lower than Elohim.
It's amazing what God has done.

By Messianic Rabbi Allan Moorhead

"Certain things can be revealed only by the Father, because He did not at that time have 100% of the knowledge His Father had while He was here on this earth."

The supposed “dual nature” of Christ is never stated in the Bible and contradicts the Bible and the laws of nature that God set up. Nothing can be 100% of two different things. Jesus cannot be 100% God and 100% man, and that is not a “mystery” but it's a contradiction and a talk of nonsense. A fatal flaw in the “dual nature” theory is that both natures in Jesus would have had to have known about each other. The Jesus God nature would have known about his human nature, and (according to what the Trinitarians teach) his human nature knew he was God, which explains why Trinitarians say Jesus taught that he was God. The book of Hebrews is wrong when it says Jesus was “made like his brothers in every respect” if Jesus knew he was God (Hebrews 2:17). Jesus was not made like other humans in every way if Jesus was 100% God and 100% human at the same time. In fact, he would have been very different from other humans in many respects.

For example, in his God nature he would not have been tempted by anything (James 1:13), and his human part would not have been tempted either since his human nature had access to that same knowledge and assurance. It is written he was tempted in every way like we all are (Hebrews 4:15). Furthermore, God does not have the problems, uncertainty, and anxieties that humans do, and Jesus would not have had those either if he knew he was God. Also, Luke 2:52 says Jesus grew in wisdom, but his human part would have had access to his God part, which would have given him infinite and inherent wisdom. Hebrews says Jesus “learned obedience” by the things that he suffered, but again, the human part of Jesus would have accessed the God part of him and he would not have needed to learn anything.

Kenotic Trinitarians claim that Jesus put off or limited His God nature, but that theology only developed to try to reconcile some of the verses about what Christ experienced on the earth. The idea that God can limit what He knows or experiences as God is not taught or explained in Scripture, and Kenotic Trinitarianism has been rejected by orthodox Trinitarians for exactly that reason. The very simple way to explain the “difficult verses” that Kenotic Trinitarians are trying to explain about Christ’s human experiences is to realize that Jesus was a fully human being, and not both God and man at the same time. Some assert we have to take the Trinity “by faith” but that is not biblical either.

 

[David Koberstein]

Pure conjecture

 

[Peterlag]

Pure conjecture

"That's what it says in Colossians 1:16, that Yeshua created all things!"

I know you want it to say he created suns and planets and oceans. But it does not. It tells you right in the verse that he created thrones, dominions, principalities and powers. These are the things Jesus will need to govern when he returns. These things do not make him God.

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

 

[101G]

Another false belief of yours is that man was created on the third day as you posted, but he was created on the 6th day. Hence the number 6 in Hebrew is the number of man. It is also the number that represents grace.
Shalom

GINOLJC, to all
your personal opinion? that's your false belief. let's see what the bible say. Genesis 2:4 "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens," Genesis 2:5 "And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground." Genesis 2:6 "But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground." Genesis 2:7 "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

see that term "before", before the "plants", before the "herbs" grew God MADE MAN. and that was day 3. supportive scripture, Genesis 1:9 "And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so." Genesis 1:10 "And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good." Genesis 1:11 "And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so." Genesis 1:12 "And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good." Genesis 1:13 "And the evening and the morning were the third day."
so, on the third day was the herbs and Plants/Trees was brought forth by the earth..... but "before" this MAN was created. only the sexes, or the Gender was done on day 6. and there is more evidence to support this.

so, your personal opinion don't mean a hill of beans, only God word is ACCEPTED, because his word is true.

so you can try again.

101G.

 

[101G]

"That's what it says in Colossians 1:16, that Yeshua created all things!"

I know you want it to say he created suns and planets and oceans. But it does not. It tells you right in the verse that he created thrones, dominions, principalities and powers. These are the things Jesus will need to govern when he returns. These things do not make him God.

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Yeshua, the LORD, in the beginning, CREATED, and MADE ALL THINGS. but Yeshua the Christ Made nor created nothing. read that again. Yeshua the Christ made and created NOTHING....... but Yeshua the LORD did.

and this IGNORANCE of the term through which means by, is the same word. and Yeshua, the LORD, was "BY" HIMSELF, "ALONE" and alone means, "having no one else present:". and if no one else present, that eliminates going though anyone else. which also eliminate any second and third person.

now, if one cannot understand what "ALONE" means, then they are deceived BIG TIME. Just read the definition of "ALONE" and it answers the Colossians 1:16 mistake as well as any other scriptures in relation to the term "by", or "Through" concerning God at CREATION.

101G.

 

[David Koberstein]

I have my Jewish Bible and commentary

GINOLJC, to all
your personal opinion? that's your false belief. let's see what the bible say. Genesis 2:4 "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens," Genesis 2:5 "And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground." Genesis 2:6 "But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground." Genesis 2:7 "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

see that term "before", before the "plants", before the "herbs" grew God MADE MAN. and that was day 3. supportive scripture, Genesis 1:9 "And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so." Genesis 1:10 "And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good." Genesis 1:11 "And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so." Genesis 1:12 "And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good." Genesis 1:13 "And the evening and the morning were the third day."
so, on the third day was the herbs and Plants/Trees was brought forth by the earth..... but "before" this MAN was created. only the sexes, or the Gender was done on day 6. and there is more evidence to support this.

so, your personal opinion don't mean a hill of beans, only God word is ACCEPTED, because his word is true.

so you can try again.

101G.

These are not my opinions by Adonai's.
You are a first class heretic with ignorance of Scripture to match. I will be placing you on ignore soon, so I don't have to read your lies about Scripture.
Shalom

 

[Peterlag]

Yeshua, the LORD, in the beginning, CREATED, and MADE ALL THINGS. but Yeshua the Christ Made nor created nothing. read that again. Yeshua the Christ made and created NOTHING....... but Yeshua the LORD did.

and this IGNORANCE of the term through which means by, is the same word. and Yeshua, the LORD, was "BY" HIMSELF, "ALONE" and alone means, "having no one else present:". and if no one else present, that eliminates going though anyone else. which also eliminate any second and third person.

now, if one cannot understand what "ALONE" means, then they are deceived BIG TIME. Just read the definition of "ALONE" and it answers the Colossians 1:16 mistake as well as any other scriptures in relation to the term "by", or "Through" concerning God at CREATION.

101G.

The Lord Christ created what he will need to govern when he returns and that is what Colossians is saying.

 

[civic]

The Lord Christ created what he will need to govern when he returns and that is what Colossians is saying.

Wrong this is what it says

For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things

He was before everything created including the angels which is being referred to by powers, rulers, authorities

 

[David Koberstein]

Amen! Very well articulated Civic!

 

[civic]

Amen! Very well articulated Civic!

Thanks brother