brightfame52
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The Gospel is known to sound foolish to some.
The Issue of Limited Atonement
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brightfame52
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Yes in Vs 16 they are called the seed of Abraham, again a particular people in the world Heb 2:16
16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
For indeed He does not give aid to angels, but He does give aid to the seed of Abraham.
But not to them only, its also to the Church all who have partaken of the heavenly calling
Heb 3
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
The Gentile church is also holy brethren 1 Thess 5 27
I charge you by the Lord that this epistle be read unto all the holy brethren.
And all brethren go through persecution and trails and suffering for their faith,
So this post confirms limited atonement, the atonement of Christ is for a specific people the seed of Abraham, a Spiritual Seed
brightfame52
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Jesus says in a quite matter of fact way, He came specifically to lay down His Life for the Sheep that Father has given Him Jn 10:15,29
15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
FreeInChrist
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And when I chose to believe and grow my faith because of what I learned , I became one of those sheep.
brightfame52
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Talking about yourself. Boasting
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When Jesus came to save sinners, He was made like unto them specifically, His Brethren Heb 2:17
17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people
He didn't come to make reconciliation for the sins for all mankind, but for the sins of His brethren/ the people
The people has the definite article,
ὅθεν ὤφειλεν κατὰ πάντα τοῖς ἀδελφοῖς ὁμοιωθῆναι ἵνα ἐλεήμων γένηται καὶ πιστὸς ἀρχιερεὺς τὰ πρὸς τὸν θεόν εἰς τὸ ἱλάσκεσθαι τὰς ἁμαρτίας τοῦ λαοῦ
And the brethren in Vs 17 qre not ethnic jews from the nation of israel per se, but for the them His brethren in the purpose of God to be conformed to His image Rom 8 29
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
His atonement was and is particularly for them.
17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people
He didn't come to make reconciliation for the sins for all mankind, but for the sins of His brethren/ the people
The people has the definite article,
ὅθεν ὤφειλεν κατὰ πάντα τοῖς ἀδελφοῖς ὁμοιωθῆναι ἵνα ἐλεήμων γένηται καὶ πιστὸς ἀρχιερεὺς τὰ πρὸς τὸν θεόν εἰς τὸ ἱλάσκεσθαι τὰς ἁμαρτίας τοῦ λαοῦ
And the brethren in Vs 17 qre not ethnic jews from the nation of israel per se, but for the them His brethren in the purpose of God to be conformed to His image Rom 8 29
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
His atonement was and is particularly for them.
brightfame52
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Jesus says quite frankly exactly for whom He died as the Good Shepherd Jn 10:11,15
11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Now as Shepherd of the Sheep, why would He lay down His Life for them who are non Sheep of His ?
Also when He arose from the dead after dying for the Sheep, it was as the Great Shepherd of the Sheep Heb 13:20
20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
Also this confirms that the all or every man earlier in Heb 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Must be His Sheep !
11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Now as Shepherd of the Sheep, why would He lay down His Life for them who are non Sheep of His ?
Also when He arose from the dead after dying for the Sheep, it was as the Great Shepherd of the Sheep Heb 13:20
20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
Also this confirms that the all or every man earlier in Heb 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Must be His Sheep !
