brightfame52
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According to you Jesus is a blasphemer
The Issue of Limited Atonement
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jeremiah1five
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You're the blasphemer. I said Jesus acknowledged He is of the seed of Abraham and a son of David. You responded by saying, "Blasphemer!"
brightfame52
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You the blasphemer saying or implying Jesus trusted in the flesh.
he was also Yahweh before assuming on His Human flesh and nature
He is also the Son of God, Yahweh in Human flesh and nature
the promised messiah was per the OT prophets, Yahweh coming in human flesh
jeremiah1five
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The Word of God records Jesus acknowledging His being of the seed of Abraham and a descendant of David, which if Jesus was not the biological seed of Abraham and David, He could NOT be Israel's Savior.
41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David.
43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son? Matthew 22:41–45.
35 And Jesus answered and said, while he taught in the temple, How say the scribes that Christ is the Son of David? 36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
37 David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he then his son? And the common people heard him gladly. Mark 12:35–37.
41 And he said unto them, How say they that Christ is David’s son?
42 And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
43 Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
44 David therefore calleth him Lord, how is he then his son? Luke 20:41–44.
Jesus acknowledges and establishes that He is the seed of Abraham and a descendant of David, of whom the prophets said He must be born.
Not only that but that Christ shall judge the Gentiles. Israel was judged at the cross. Gentiles at the end of the age.
1 The LORD said unto my Lord,
Sit thou at my right hand,
Until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
2 The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion:
Rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.
3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness
From the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.
4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent,
Thou art a priest for ever
After the order of Melchizedek.
5 The Lord at thy right hand
Shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.
6 He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places with the dead bodies;
He shall wound the heads over many countries.
7 He shall drink of the brook in the way:
Therefore shall he lift up the head.
Psalm 110:1–7.
Gentiles are judged at the end of the age. The Jews will all live in the Promised Land and Gentiles will live everywhere else. It is God's enemies, the Gentiles, who will make one final attempt against God's Chosen people and God will DESTROY them all.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Revelation 20:7–9.
brightfame52
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You said Jesus trusted in the flesh, thats Blasphemy.
Jesus also was very God in human flesh
jeremiah1five
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Jesus acknowledged and declared His being of the seed of Abraham and the One Promised by God that He would be called a Nazarite:
16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears. Luke 4:16–21.
The people understood Jesus was telling them He was the One Promised by Moses in Deuteronomy 18:15 and 18.
And they were ready to kill Him for making such a claim of descendance and biological connection.
18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. Deuteronomy 18:18.
Jesus declared His Person, His biological Person, that HE WAS THE ONE UPON WHOM THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD would be upon and He used Isaiah's prophecy to do it. Jesus knew WHO He was and FROM WHOM He was born. The Messiah would be a Hebrew of the seed of Abraham and of David. Jesus declared His flesh.
brightfame52
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You said Jesus trusted in the flesh, thats blasphemy
brightfame52
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I realize according to the flesh, Jesus was born a jew in His Humanity Rom 1:3
3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
But that was for a Spiritual and Redemptive Purpose. His Seed has no natural biology, they're of a incorruptible seed 1 Pet 1 12 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
jeremiah1five
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It's not blasphemy for Jesus to acknowledge His biological birth connected to one of the twelve tribes and to Abraham. Jesus declared His descendance to David. This is why there are two genealogies of Jesus' birth in Luke and Matthew. It was important to establish how His birth and biological connection in a family line to both Adam and Abraham. Jesus' birth posits His reliance and credentials as Messiah and future King. No one else in Scripture fulfilled the prophecies and promises of God to send one "from among thy brethren" (Deut. 18:15, 18) who is biologically connected to Abraham and David, for example. Jesus was aware of His biological connection to Abraham and David. Matthew and Luke were concerned with providing Jesus' pedigree and bloodline to the Jews so that they would know Jesus' identity and authority to be "the Christ" (Messiah.)
16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations. Matthew 1:16–17.
Jesus threw His biology into the faces of those who heard Him read from Isaiah and that He was the One Isaiah had described. This was a powerful display of His flesh as a son of David.
28 Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said,
29 Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart
In peace, according to thy word:
30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,
31 Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people;
Luke 2:28–31.
jeremiah1five
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Jesus was never "born-again." What are YOU talking about? This doesn't apply to Jesus.
John called Jesus "the lamb of God." Why? Because John understood the connection Jesus had to the Law of Moses, specifically the Ceremonial Law in which was the instruction in sacrifices and other commands by God in the worship of God. Jesus died for the Jews because He was prophesied to die for the Jews. This is why at Jesus' last Passover (Note: PASSOVER), were twelve Jews each representing the twelve tribes. Gentiles were not represented here at this solemn ritual practice because when the Jews were in Egypt and God instituted the Passover, the blood of the sacrifice was made for the Hebrew people. The Egyptian Gentiles were not included. As a matter of fact, Gentiles were killed by the Angel of Death: The Holy Spirit. The Egyptian Gentiles were not "covered" by the blood in Egypt and never included from that day forward. The sacrifice was to "cover" the sins of the Hebrew people ONLY. And as lamb of God Jesus fulfilled this foreshadow and atoned the sins of the Hebrew people ONLY when He died on His cross. To add Gentiles is to add to the Bible. There is NOTHING in the Law that the animal sacrifices were to atone Gentiles. The blood of the sacrifice was always 'sprinkled' upon the Hebrew people. Never on Gentiles.
brightfame52
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Its blasphemy to trust in ethnicity and biology for salvation from sin and its triple blasphemy for you to contribute that notion to the Blessed Saviour.
brightfame52
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Now you slandering. I said no such thing, Wow you slander, misrepresent, blaspheme the whole deal, trust in the flesh biology for salvation
brightfame52
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The world in John 3:16 that God so loved, is the world of the Sons of God as Per 1 Jn 3:1
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
The word bestowed here is the word didōmi:
Its the same exact word for gave in Jn 3:16
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Gods Love is for the children teknon of God
John has them in view also here Jn 11:52
52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
So the world in Jn 3:16 whom God gave His Son for are the Children of God jew and gentile
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
The word bestowed here is the word didōmi:
- to give
- to give something to someone
- of one's own accord to give one something, to his advantage
- to bestow a gift
- of one's own accord to give one something, to his advantage
Its the same exact word for gave in Jn 3:16
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Gods Love is for the children teknon of God
John has them in view also here Jn 11:52
52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
So the world in Jn 3:16 whom God gave His Son for are the Children of God jew and gentile
jeremiah1five
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YOU made the subject of Jesus being born-again when you posted Peter.
jeremiah1five
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God is BIG on biology. He made covenant with Abram the Hebrew and his Hebrew seed.
What nation is being protected by God right now? Not America.
One day even America must bow the knee to the Only King of everyone.
brightfame52
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More lies and slander
