The Hypostatic Union- the 2 Natures in Christ

first of all, 101G has no theology to call, second,101G is not ONENESS, you Listen, for the LAST TIME, 101G is "Diversified Oneness". got that. copy or write it down. so in the future, ask 101G any question about "Diversified Oneness", 101G will reply. ask 101G about ONENESS, or TRINITARIAN nonsense you will only be CORRECTED.

have a good blessed day........ 😇

in much GL.

101G.
What is diversified oneness?

J.
 
I know you claim this. Show me how your flavor of oneness isn't oneness.
GINOLJC, to all.
sure, RIGHT THERE IN THE VERY FIRST VERSE of the bible. listen, Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
the term GOD here in verse 1 is plural for a reason. what is that reason, to let us KNOW that he, God/JESUS is an ordinal of, of, of, himself, that was to come in TIME, ORDER, PLACE, and RANK, yes, "OF" himself, which is where men made their mistake at, right at the beginning. let 101G explain. and show the difference of "Oneness", and "Diversified Oneness".

God is plural, listen to the definition.
H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m.
אֱלֹהֵי 'elohiy (el-o-hee') [alternate plural]
1. (literally) supreme ones.
2. (hence, in the ordinary sense) gods.
3. (specifically, in the plural, especially with the article) the Supreme God (i.e. the all supreme).
4. (sometimes) supreme, used as a superlative.
5. (occasionally, by way of deference) supreme magistrates, the highest magistrates of the land.
6. (also) the supreme angels (entities of unspecified type).
[plural of H433]
KJV: angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
Root(s): H433
Compare: H5945, H7706, H8199, H4397

see it, the [plural of H433] [plural of H433]? well who is H433? if God is H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem'). let's see who this is,
H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) n-m.
אֱלֹהַּ 'eloahh (el-o'-ah) [shortened (rarely)]
1. one with supreme strength and ability.
2. the Supreme Being, God the Creator, Yahweh by name.

3. a supreme entity, a god-like creature (that is, one of God's supreme creations, or one of man's inventions).
[probably prolonged (emphat.) from H410]
KJV: God, god.
Root(s): H410

look at definition section #1 and #2. so, is it TWO H433, Supreme Being, God the Creator that is God H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') as definition #1 states? no, how do you know this 101? for the bible tell us clearly.

#1. Listen carefully, in the first definition of God, H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m. he is "OF" and not "FROM" H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) n-m. in the second definition. if the definition would have said, the [plural from H433] without a doubt that would be two separate and distinct Spirit, or persons, for God is a Spirit. but men assume it's three because of the titles. but the definition clearly says the [plural of H433] which is not a separate and distinct person, but the same person EQUALLY SHARED. hence the ECHAD of ONE PERSON and ONE Spirit ..... WHICH "WAS" TO COME. 101G always wondered why God/the Word ....... "WAS" .... in John 1:1. but when God revealed this to me, it became clear, just as the US and the OUR in genesis 1:26. and the reason why the Lord Jesus in Matthews 19:4 said God is a "HE", and "HE" is a single person when "HE" made man male and female and when he MADE ALL THINGS. God open my eyes to the term "beginning", yes right there in verse 1. it tells why God is a plurality of, of, of, himself.
beginning: H7225 רֵאשִׁית re'shiyth (ray-sheeth') n-f.
1. the first, in place, time, order or rank.
2. (specifically) a firstfruit.
[from the same as H7218]
KJV: beginning, chief(-est), first(-fruits, part, time), principal thing.
Root(s): H7218

that FIRST definition made it all clear without a doubt. "the first, in place, time, order or rank."
First, this is why Israel always insisted on "ONE" God, because they did not understand the one God was to come in FLESH, but they didn't understand that reason. which was to redeem man, his creation, which is why .... man is his image ..... which WAS to come.

FIRST, as spirit, without flesh, without bone, and blood, he JESUS, the Spirit, H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) n-m. CREATED and MADE ALL THINGS, ... ALONE and BY HIMSELF, just as Isaiah 44:24 clearly states, and John 1:3, (Now came.... IN FLESH). so, he, God, JESUS, the Spirit is first in PLACE, in the beginning, the CREATOR, just as Genesis 1:1 declares, and the definition beginning states, "FIRST FRUIT", he God is CREATOR and MAKER of ALL THING, including MAN. the TIME is beginning, and END, which clearly states the ORDER of this beginning and end, as in Ordinal designation, First and Last. which shows the RANK... in the beginning, "LORD" is the RANK, because he, JESUS, is CREATOR and MAKER of ALL THINGS, and as CREATOR, title "Father". then to come, Last, or End, the RANK, "Lord", because he, Jesus, is REDEEMER, and SAVIOUR of what he created and made, hence the title "Son". see, this is why he is the EQUAL SHARE of himself, some came close by saying the Lord Jesus is the MIRROW Image of God, as looking in a MIRROW of oneself. no, it's the EQUAL SHARE of himself in flesh.

conclusion, the term God, and beginning in Genesis 1:1 shows God plurality as one person. the title "Father", and "Son", are just that ... titles of the TRUE and LIVING God JESUS, the Eternal Spirit, yes, the HOLY SPIRIT, as the ECHAD of himself in Natural flesh (the son of GOD), see, many understand not the Spirit... the Holy Spirit is the EQUAL SHARE of himself in flesh, (Son of Man)..... first in natural flesh, resurrected in GLORIFIED in glorified flesh, now as we speak. this is why 101G know who it is that sits on the throne, and who came on Pentecost. when God open my eyes to the truth.... all those so-called hard questions of the bible .... became child play. because when one KNOW ... AND ...... UNDERSTAND the TRUTH, then the Bible becomes small, and no longer intimidating to understand. 101G thank God for him revealing himself to me. and 101G hope the same for other.

hope this help.

101G.
 
What is diversified oneness?

J.
First thanks for asking, many just argue, and try not to find out what it is. so, again thanks. it is pretty much laid out in the reply 101G gave to praise_yeshua in the above post #1562. now that's not the complete understanding but it will get one off the ground in understanding "Diversified Oneness". so, in short, it's the understanding of God as a plurality of himself that was to come in TIME, PLACE, ORDER, and Rank. he God, Jesus, is the EQUAL SHARE of his OWN-SELF.

TIME: beginning ..... and end of TIME. Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21.

PLACE: O.T, Spirit...... to come N.T. Flesh

ORDER: Ordinal First, O.T. ..... Ordinal Last N.T.

RANK: LORD, OT .... Lord N.T.

101G hope we can discuss this without argument. again, thanks for the kind reply.

101G.
 
yet there is no way to say you are not a modalist/oneness person. you believe they are all the same person which is oneness/modalism.
God is HIS SPIRIT , HE IS HIS WORD .
In days long gone Many good examples were left to us in the bible .
John had tried to kneel before an angel as that very angel had said DO not such thing , WORSHIP GOD
In the days of peter and john men have tried to kneel before them and they stopped it .
As even peter shut it down at the house of cornelious .
And going farther back we see He who was before abraham was
and had been raised up from the grave . We see he always corrected his own and others.
But on a day , a particular day we see a man called thomas
and that man kneeling before HIM and saying MY LORD and my GOD . You know what i did NOT see
JESUS tell thomas , OH THOMAS GET UP , WORSHIP GOD . ANY GUESSES on why HE DIDNT REBUKE thomas for doing that .
I MEAN he had rebuked thomas for his not believing others who has told him HE had risen from the dead .
BUTWE SURE dont seem him rebuke thomas for saying MY LORD and MY GOD .
BUT THEN We see HIM say from heaven , I AM ALPHA and OMEGA , first and the last .
 
God is HIS SPIRIT , HE IS HIS WORD .
In days long gone Many good examples were left to us in the bible .
John had tried to kneel before an angel as that very angel had said DO not such thing , WORSHIP GOD
In the days of peter and john men have tried to kneel before them and they stopped it .
As even peter shut it down at the house of cornelious .
And going farther back we see He who was before abraham was
and had been raised up from the grave . We see he always corrected his own and others.
But on a day , a particular day we see a man called thomas
and that man kneeling before HIM and saying MY LORD and my GOD . You know what i did NOT see
JESUS tell thomas , OH THOMAS GET UP , WORSHIP GOD . ANY GUESSES on why HE DIDNT REBUKE thomas for doing that .
I MEAN he had rebuked thomas for his not believing others who has told him HE had risen from the dead .
BUTWE SURE dont seem him rebuke thomas for saying MY LORD and MY GOD .
BUT THEN We see HIM say from heaven , I AM ALPHA and OMEGA , first and the last .
Yes He is Lord ( YHWH )
 
man's opinion of a ONE-line conclusion does not say it ALL, eh?:

"All Scripture Is Given By Inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for
instruction in righteousness:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
(2 Timothy 3:16-17 AV)

ALL { 500! } Related Scriptures, studied, reviewed and RE-reviewed prayerfully And Carefully will
Then mean:

God Says It ALL!, eh?:​

Why The Triune GodHead Is Correct!


Amen.
 
man's opinion of a ONE-line conclusion does not say it ALL, eh?:

"All Scripture Is Given By Inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for
instruction in righteousness:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
(2 Timothy 3:16-17 AV)

ALL { 500! } Related Scriptures, studied, reviewed and RE-reviewed prayerfully And Carefully will
Then mean:

God Says It ALL!, eh?:​

Why The Triune GodHead Is Correct!


Amen.
Greeting, if 101G is reading you right, ... there is no Triune GodHead?

in much GL.

101G.
 
To all,
do one really know what and WHO is the ARM of God really means? and how the ARM of God reveals God in flesh as the First and the Last? this is revealed in the scripture of, Isaiah 9:6 and Isaiah 63:65. these two scriptures make it all clear.

101G.
 
Hello Matthias,

I agree with you although I don't think anyone needs to be worried about being killed over it anymore. The Evangelical Church, its seminaries and commentaries have been pretty much a dumpster fire with regard to the Historic Christian Faith as found in the early creeds and as they relate to theology proper and Christology (and I mean specifically the incarnation). Evangelicals seem to have some postmodern operating system at times and believe they can call themselves Trinitarians and attach whatever definition and/or meaning they want to that. I had a huge disagreement with a former pastor who actually thought he was teaching Chalcedonian Christology when in fact he was clearly teaching an ontological kenotic Christology (which is also completely incompatible with the doctrine of the Trinity).

And the dumpster fire continues to get worse. According to the State of Theology in 2020, 30 percent of people identifying as Evangelicals agreed with the following statement

Jesus was a great teacher, but he was not God.​


In 2022, 43 percent of Evangelicals agreed with this statement. The postmodern culture is affecting the thinking of not only people in the pew, but their pastors, and their seminary professors if they had any.

TheLayman
This post by @TheLayman deserves a bump in this thread. There are so many misunderstandings in the church today about the Hypostatic Union. I see this on forums all the time by well meaning people.
 
to all,
Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

this scripture is speaking of "ONLY" one Person. and all of us know that the verse is speaking of the Lord Jesus... right? .... Good. now think people, if this is the Lord Jesus, who is GREATER that the Mighty God concerning Persons.

if the Lord Jesus is the "everlasting Father", who is the other person name that suppose to be the Father to the son here in Isaiah 9:6? but before any one answer, read Ephesians 4:6 first.

101G.
 
to all,
Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor,
The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

this scripture is speaking of "ONLY" one Person. and all of us know that the verse is speaking of the Lord Jesus... right? .... Good. now think people, if this is the Lord Jesus, who is GREATER that the Mighty God concerning Persons.

if the Lord Jesus is the "everlasting Father", who is the other person name that suppose to be the Father to the son here in Isaiah 9:6? but before any one answer, read Ephesians 4:6 first.


101G.
'Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
According as He hath chosen us in Him
before the foundation of the world,
that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:'

(Eph 1:3-4)

'One God and Father of all,
Who is above all,
and through all,
and in you all.'

(Eph 4:6)

Hello @101G,

This reminds me of John 17:20-21,

'Neither pray I for these alone,
but for them also which shall believe on Me through their word;
That they all may be one;
as Thou, Father, art in Me, and I in Thee,
that they also may be one in Us:

that the world may believe that Thou hast sent Me.'


* This is all only discernible in the spirit, the flesh cannot comprehend it.

Glory be to God our Saviour!

Chris
 
To all,
do one really know what and WHO is the ARM of God really means? and how the ARM of God reveals God in flesh as the First and the Last? this is revealed in the scripture of, Isaiah 9:6 and Isaiah 63:65. these two scriptures make it all clear.

101G.
'Who hath believed our report?
and to Whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?
That the saying of Esaias the prophet
might be fulfilled, which he spake,
Lord, who hath believed our report?
and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?'

( Isa. 53:1-2:- see also John 12:38 & Rom. 1:16 'the power of God' )

* The, 'arm of the Lord', denotes power, but power exercised in judgement: Also used of the making known of His grace in wondrous power. It is revealed to those to whom it is given - i.e., the believing remnant of Israel. (ref: 'F.O.S in The Bible' by Bullinger)

'That led them by the right hand of Moses with His glorious arm,
dividing the water before them, to make Himself an everlasting name?

(Isa 63:12)

'For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given:
and the government shall be upon His shoulder:
and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor,
The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.'

(Isa 9:6)

Thank you, @101G
I enjoyed thinking on these.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
'Who hath believed our report?
and to Whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?
That the saying of Esaias the prophet
might be fulfilled, which he spake,
Lord, who hath believed our report?
and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?'

( Isa. 53:1-2:- see also John 12:38 & Rom. 1:16 'the power of God' )

* The, 'arm of the Lord', denotes power, but power exercised in judgement: Also used of the making known of His grace in wondrous power. It is revealed to those to whom it is given - i.e., the believing remnant of Israel. (ref: 'F.O.S in The Bible' by Bullinger)

'That led them by the right hand of Moses with His glorious arm,
dividing the water before them, to make Himself an everlasting name?

(Isa 63:12)

'For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given:
and the government shall be upon His shoulder:
and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor,
The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.'

(Isa 9:6)

Thank you, @101G
I enjoyed thinking on these.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Just want to say Bullinger is an excellent source @Complete.

Keep up the good work in Jesus Name.

Johann.
 
@Complete,
100% correct, for the POWER of God was in that flesh that was BORB, per Isaiah 9:6. for it was God himself.... shared in that flesh, per Isaiah 63:4 . for 2 Chronicles make this clear. when Sennacherib king of Assyria invaded Judah, read the whole chapter, a revealing scripture identified what is called an "ARM" of God which is anthropomorphic. 2 Chronicles 32:6 "And he set captains of war over the people, and gathered them together to him in the street of the gate of the city, and spake comfortably to them, saying," 2 Chronicles 32:7 "Be strong and courageous, be not afraid nor dismayed for the king of Assyria, nor for all the multitude that is with him: for there be more with us than with him:" 2 Chronicles 32:8 "With him is an arm of flesh; but with us is the LORD our God to help us, and to fight our battles. And the people rested themselves upon the words of Hezekiah king of Judah."

so we see that the power of king Sennacherib was in his frighting men, or his army..... an ARM OF FLESH.

101G.
 
Hypostatic Union
Jesus Christ had the Seed of the Father; therefore, just as 1 John 3:9 says we cannot sin after we receive the Seed of the Father, not only does Jesus have only one nature, we do too. It is the one that partakes of the divine nature of God.

What is sad is Jews believe in the Christ, but not in Jesus.
Christians believe in Jesus, but not as the Christ.
If we did we would understand that there is no sin in Christ, nor us once we are born again of the seed of the Father.
 
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Jesus Christ had the Seed of the Father; therefore, just as 1 John 3:9 says we cannot sin after we receive the Seed of the Father, not only does Jesus have only one nature, we do too. It is the one that partakes of the divine nature of God.

What is sad is Jews believe in the Christ, but not in Jesus.
Christians believe in Jesus, but not as the Christ.
If we did we would understand that there is no sin in Christ, nor us once we are born again of the seed of the Father.
I fault the "clergy" for that.
 
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