The Gospel Of Salvation

[brightfame52]

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* Peter was commissioned to feed the Lord's sheep, and he addresses his epistles to the dispersed of Israel, not to the Gentile churches.

Sure but wasnt Peter also commissioned to go to the Gentiles Acts 10 and preach the same Gospel as to the jews ? Peter said it himself Acts 15:7

And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

That fulfilled his commission to feed Christs Sheep, they were the other Sheep not of the jewish fold

 

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@Complete

* Peter was commissioned to feed the Lord's sheep, and he addresses his epistles to the dispersed of Israel, not to the Gentile churches.

Sure but wasn't Peter also commissioned to go to the Gentiles Acts 10 and preach the same Gospel as to the Jews? Peter said it himself Acts 15:7

And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

That fulfilled his commission to feed Christs Sheep, they were the other Sheep not of the jewish fold

'And when there had been much disputing,
Peter rose up, and said unto them,
Men and brethren,
ye know how that a good while ago
God made choice among us,
that the Gentiles by my mouth
should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
(Act 15:7)

Hello @brightfame52,

In Acts 15:7 (above), Peter was referring to God's choice of Him to go to preach the gospel to Cornelius and His household (Acts 10), for to Peter had been given the keys of the Kingdom - (Matt. 16:19). Salvation was, 'come unto the Gentiles,' for to provoke them (Israel) to jealousy (Rom. 11:11) and they would, 'partake of the root and fatness of the Olive Tree of Israel' (Rom.11:17).

* Paul, in Galatians (ch. 2), refers to his visit to the Jerusalem council, and there we read the following:-

'But of these who seemed to be somewhat,
(whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me:
God accepteth no man's person )
for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:
But contrariwise, when they saw
that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me,
as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
(For He that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision,
the same was mighty in Me toward the Gentiles )
And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars,
perceived the grace that was given unto me,
they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship;
that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.'
(Gal 2:6-9)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[brightfame52]

@Complete

Hello @brightfame52,

In Acts 15:7 (above), Peter was referring to God's choice of Him to go to preach the gospel to Cornelius and His household (Acts 10), that they may partake of the root and fatness of the Olive Tree of Israel (Rom.11:17). (for to Peter had been given the keys of the Kingdom (Matt. 16:19). Paul, in Galatians (ch. 2), refers to his visit to the Jerusalem council, and there we read the following:-

They were Christs other Sheep not of the Gentile fold, they would also hear His voice as Jesus said Jn 10:14-16

14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

 

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They were Christs other Sheep not of the Gentile fold, they would also hear His voice as Jesus said Jn 10:14-16

14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Hello @brightfame52,

You say,quote:- 'They were Christs other sheep, not of the Gentile fold'.
Would you please tell me to whom you are referring?

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Selah]

All Christians are sheep.

"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow me."—John 10:27​

 

[Complete]

All Christians are sheep.

"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow me."—John 10:27​

'My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.'
(Joh 10:27)

Hello @Selah,

Thank you for responding.

May God's perfect will be done in both you and I as we wait on Him.

* I will not strive about words to no profit: for you are precious in God's sight, and He will instruct you and lead you in the way that you should go, as He will me.

May His Name Be Praised!

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Selah]

All Christians are sheep.

"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow me."—John 10:27​

The sheep hear their Shepherd’s voice—Jesus Christ. They belong to Him. Even the lost sheep will run to their Shepherd when they hear the Gospel. Why? because they were chosen before the foundation of the world.

Ephesians 1:1-6 (KJV) 1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus: 2 Grace [be] to you, and peace, from God our Father, and [from] the Lord Jesus Christ. 3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ: 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

 

[brightfame52]

Hello @brightfame52,

You say,quote:- 'They were Christs other sheep, not of the Gentile fold'.
Would you please tell me to whom you are referring?

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Jesus was speaking to jews, so the other Sheep not of the jews were some Gentiles

 

[TomL]

Doesn't matter what chapter, or any other chapter in John or book in the entire scripture, when talking about salvation matters, its about the Sheep.

Jesus has stated clearly who He has died for and thats foundational, everything else can be built upon that foundation, His sayings. Remember Matt 7:24

Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

Jn 10:11,15 are His sayings aren't they ? Im building on a ROCK

Sorry it does matter as the meaning of world is not sheep

John 12:47 (LEB) — 47 And if anyone hears my words and does not observe them, I will not judge him. For I have not come to judge the world, but to save the world.

Unbelievers are obviously a part of the world he came to save

 

[brightfame52]

@TomL

Sorry it does matter as the meaning of world is not sheep

Sure it is

 

[TomL]

@TomL



Sure it is

Not if you actually read the verse and honestly try to understand it

Sorry it does matter as the meaning of world is not sheep

John 12:47 (LEB) — 47 And if anyone hears my words and does not observe them, I will not judge him. For I have not come to judge the world, but to save the world.

Unbelievers are obviously a part of the world he came to save

it appears you do neither

 

[TomL]

Yes.

…and “the sheep” are also called “the saints” or “the elect.” It is written:

Romans 8:26-34 (KJV) 26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what [is] the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to [the will of] God. 28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose. 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. 31 What shall we then say to these things? If God [be] for us, who [can be] against us? 32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? [It is] God that justifieth. 34 Who [is] he that condemneth? [It is] Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Selah

Yep, God's elect love him, and we see yet again the error of his theology

 

[brightfame52]

@TomL

Unbelievers are obviously a part of the world he came to save

Sure if they sheep

 

[TomL]

@TomL



Sure if they sheep

You ignored the fact any unbelievers is spoken of

John 12:47 (KJV 1900) — 47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

again you do not read nor do you attempt an understanding of the verse

 

[brightfame52]

You ignored the fact any unbelievers is spoken of

John 12:47 (KJV 1900) — 47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

again you do not read nor do you attempt an understanding of the verse

Only unbelievers that shall believe are the Sheep, if they never believe, its because they were not Sheep Jn 10:26

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

According to Jesus, why do some people not believe ?

 

[Selah]

Only unbelievers that shall believe are the Sheep, if they never believe, its because they were not Sheep Jn 10:26

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

According to Jesus, why do some people not believe ?

…because they be tares.

 

[Selah]

Yep, God's elect love him, and we see yet again the error of his theology

I agree. God’s elect (believers) love Jesus.

 

[brightfame52]

I agree. God’s elect (believers) love Jesus.

Not initially, did Paul who was a Sheep believe and love Jesus initially when he killing believers in unbelief ?,

 

[Selah]

Not initially, did Paul who was a Sheep believe and love Jesus initially when he killing believers in unbelief ?,

No, Paul wasn’t a believer initially. That’s why the Lord had to knock him down off his horse to get his attention. God pretty much told Paul, “hey you, you’re mine” and Paul instantly converted.

Acts 9:1-6 (KJV) 1 And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest, 2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem. 3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: 4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? 5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: [it is] hard for thee to kick against the pricks. 6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord [said] unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.