Eternally-Grateful
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or maybe you don't
The Gospel Of Salvation
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Eternally-Grateful
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again, John 3 destroys his thinking
as long as a person is in unbelief they are condemned.
They must agree with the gospel of repentance and come to faith. THEN they will be saved by Grace.
It is predestined that those who will believe will be saved.
Selah
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Eternally-Grateful
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Yes, God already knew before hand that this is what they would do
civic
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yikes from bad to worse with your heretical beliefs. No one is regenerated before hearing the gospel, and no one is saved apart from faith in the gospel of Christ.
next fallacy
brightfame52
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You just don't understand the things of God, you oppose them
brightfame52
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They believe because they were righteous. Whenever someone believes the True Gospel it was because they have the righteousness of Christ imputed to their account, believing is evidential of that.
brightfame52
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Im not worried about me, you need to be concerned about your beliefs. 2 Cor 13:5
5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
brightfame52
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The Gospel in the affairs of Salvation is for the conversion/instruction of the regenerated. Its also for the condemnation of the reprobate.
Your previous comment speaks for itself
If they are unconverted, they are unsaved.
Your ignorance is showing
His (?) thinking is bizarre
brightfame52
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You just don't understand the things of God, you oppose them.
And no, if they are unconverted, they are saved, eternally, legally, spiritually, but not practically, conversion is when the Justified, Spiritually alive, come into Faith in Christ as the accomplisher of their Salvation. So again, these are things you dont have a clue about. Faith and Repentance are part of practical Christian living
Sorry, no unconverted unbelievers are not saved or regenerated.
Your theology is completely unbiblical.
brightfame52
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Yes they are, he Gospel is for the Justified, regenerated so they will believe. Its the Power of God to them that are saved 1 Cor 1:18
18For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
With you man made beliefs, the Gospel is the power of God to them that perish, since you dont believe its the power of God to the saved, regenerate.
Selah
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right …which means they were not chosen before the foundation of the world.
Those who believe and love the Lord, on the other hand, were chosen before the foundation of the world. They will always come to the Lord upon hearing the Gospel. Why? because they were justified a long time ago before the foundation of the world.
Romans 8:28-33 (KJV) 28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose. 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. 31 What shall we then say to these things? If God [be] for us, who [can be] against us? 32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? [It is] God that justifieth.
Selah
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Wow …
Ephesians 1:3-12 (KJV) 3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ: 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. 7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; 8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; 9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: 10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; [even] in him: 11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: 12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
Ephesians 1:3-12 (KJV) 3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ: 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. 7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; 8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; 9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: 10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; [even] in him: 11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: 12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
Um, no one is justified before the foundation of the world.
That says nothing at all about unconverted but saved individuals
1 Corinthians 1:18 (NASB95) — 18 For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
Get a better understanding.
Is to them that perish foolishness] There are, properly speaking, but two classes of men known where the Gospel is preached: απολλυμενοι, the unbelievers and gainsayers, who are perishing; and σοζομενοι, the obedient believers, who are in a state of salvation. To those who will continue in the first state, the preaching of salvation through the merit of a crucified Saviour is folly. To those who believe this doctrine of Christ crucified is the power of God to their salvation; it is divinely efficacious to deliver them from all the power, guilt, and pollution of sin.
Adam Clarke, The Holy Bible with a Commentary and Critical Notes (vol. 6, New Edition.; Bellingham, WA: Faithlife Corporation, 2014), 193–194.
But unto us which are being saved (τοις σωζομενοις ἡμιν [tois sōzomenois hēmin]). Sharp contrast to those that are perishing and same construction with the articular participle. No reason for the change of pronouns in English. This present passive participle is again timeless. Salvation is described by Paul as a thing done in the past, “we were saved” (Rom. 8:24), as a present state, “ye have been saved” (Eph. 2:5), as a process, “ye are being saved” (1 Cor. 15:2), as a future result, “thou shalt be saved” (Rom. 10:9
A.T. Robertson, Word Pictures in the New Testament (Nashville, TN: Broadman Press, 1933), 1 Co 1:18.
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Selah
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brother …
Romans 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
