The Gospel Of Salvation

@Jay



They have always been in Christ, even before they are born, and they were predestinated to be conformed to Christs Image before the world began
Now Paul writes that those God predestined for this purpose, He also called. Stated in reverse, God called every single person he predestined. As Paul uses the word in Romans, being "called" by God is about His breaking into our awareness of Him and drawing us toward Himself.

He calls us to accept Jesus and be saved. But we can reject His offer.
 
Now Paul writes that those God predestined for this purpose, He also called. Stated in reverse, God called every single person he predestined. As Paul uses the word in Romans, being "called" by God is about His breaking into our awareness of Him and drawing us toward Himself.

He calls us to accept Jesus and be saved. But we can reject His offer.
They were in Christ b4 in Adam, Christs Headship has preeminence over Adam Col 1:17-18

17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
 
They were in Christ b4 in Adam, Christs Headship has preeminence over Adam Col 1:17-18

17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Colossians 1:15–23 is an extensive praise of Jesus Christ. In this passage, Paul explains that Jesus is eternal, just as God is eternal, and all created things were created by Him, and through Him, and for Him. After describing Jesus as absolutely supreme, Paul then explains that it was His sacrifice which allowed the Colossians—and all saved believers—to be reconciled to God.

It was The Cross


Verse 15 running through verse 23, focusing on the supremacy of Jesus. This idea of "image" is similar to the words used by John in the opening of His gospel: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" (John 1:1). Jesus, who is God the Son, is equal with God the Father (John 10:30). Jesus is God in human form, the visible image of the invisible God. The unseen God became seen, in the form of Jesus.

The phrase "firstborn of all creation," has caused considerable controversy. Some have attempted to interpret this to mean that Jesus was God the Father's first creation, and afterwards everything else was created by or through Jesus. Taken this way, Jesus would be a created being and not equal to the Father. He would not be eternal. However, in this context, the term "firstborn" refers to supremacy, or priority. Jesus is the greatest over all creation. He is not a created being; He is the Creator. Bible Ref.
 
Colossians 1:15–23 is an extensive praise of Jesus Christ. In this passage, Paul explains that Jesus is eternal, just as God is eternal, and all created things were created by Him, and through Him, and for Him. After describing Jesus as absolutely supreme, Paul then explains that it was His sacrifice which allowed the Colossians—and all saved believers—to be reconciled to God.

It was The Cross


Verse 15 running through verse 23, focusing on the supremacy of Jesus. This idea of "image" is similar to the words used by John in the opening of His gospel: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" (John 1:1). Jesus, who is God the Son, is equal with God the Father (John 10:30). Jesus is God in human form, the visible image of the invisible God. The unseen God became seen, in the form of Jesus.

The phrase "firstborn of all creation," has caused considerable controversy. Some have attempted to interpret this to mean that Jesus was God the Father's first creation, and afterwards everything else was created by or through Jesus. Taken this way, Jesus would be a created being and not equal to the Father. He would not be eternal. However, in this context, the term "firstborn" refers to supremacy, or priority. Jesus is the greatest over all creation. He is not a created being; He is the Creator. Bible Ref.
They were in Christ b4 in Adam, Christs Headship has preeminence over Adam Col 1:17-18

17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
 
Now Paul writes that those God predestined for this purpose, He also called. Stated in reverse, God called every single person he predestined. As Paul uses the word in Romans, being "called" by God is about His breaking into our awareness of Him and drawing us toward Himself.

He calls us to accept Jesus and be saved. But we can reject His offer.
Hi Jay. My understanding is that if anyone rejects His offer, it’s because that person was never called to begin with.
 
I love this site, they do show show it all.

What does Romans 8:30 mean?​

In the previous verse, Paul wrote that God predestined those who are now in Christ to be conformed to Christ's image. He made this choice about us before the world was formed (Ephesians 1:4). God's purpose for our lives has ever and always been that we will become like Jesus. In some way, God both knew and chose those who would be saved, long before we even existed to make such a choice. The subtle details of what this means, and how God accomplished it, are part of a much larger debate. In the context of this specific passage, however, those debates are beside the point.

Now Paul writes that those God predestined for this purpose, He also called. Stated in reverse, God called every single person he predestined. As Paul uses the word in Romans, being "called" by God is about His breaking into our awareness of Him and drawing us toward Himself.

Next, God justified every single person He called. The first four chapters of Romans deal with the issues of God's justification. To be "justified" by God is to be made right with Him. We can never justify ourselves because of our sin, not even by following the law, since we can't keep the law (Romans 3:10, 23). We can only be justified through faith in Christ (Romans 5:1).

Finally, every person God justified, by faith in Christ, He then glorified. Paul writes this in the past tense, indicating that our glorification is as good as completed in God's eyes. However, Paul began this section in verses 18–19 by saying that all of creation is waiting for the children of God to be glorified. We are waiting for that, too, though our sure and confident hope is that it is coming in God's perfect timing.

Reference Eph 1:4 Before the foundation of the world God chose that believers would appear before him holy and blameless in love

This is not a reference to unconditional election.

Regarding Romans 8:30

Romans 8:27–30 (LEB) — 27 And the one who searches our hearts knows what the mindset of the Spirit is, because he intercedes on behalf of the saints according to the will of God. 28 And we know that all things work together for good for those who love God, for those who are called according to his purpose, 29 because those whom he foreknew, he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, so that he should be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 And those whom he predestined, these he also called, and those whom he called, these he also justified, and those whom he justified, these he also glorified.

It references saints God knew in past who loved God and were called for his purpose

Notice the Apostle’s use of the past tense in this verse. If Paul is intending to speak about the future salvation of every elect individual why would he use all these past tense verbs? Paul, when writing these words, had not yet been glorified, and his readers certainly had not been glorified yet, so why use the past tense of the word “glorified?” There is no reason to assume he has in mind the future glorification of all believers. LCF



See Romans 11:2 where Elijah is given as an example along with old testament saints who had not bowed a knee to Baal

Romans 11:1–4 (LEB) — 1 Therefore I say, God has not rejected his people, has he? May it never be! For I also am an Israelite, from the descendants of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not rejected his people, whom he foreknew! Or do you not know, in the passage about Elijah, what the scripture says—how he appeals to God against Israel? 3 “Lord, they have killed your prophets, they have torn down your altars, and I alone am left, and they are seeking my life!” 4 But what does the divine response say to him? “I have left for myself seven thousand people who have not bent the knee to Baal.”

Those foreknow of God are those who were in a loving relationship with God

foreknow is to know previously

to be known of God

1 Corinthians 8:3 (LEB) — 3 But if anyone loves God, this one is known by him.

Galatians 4:9 (LEB) — 9 But now, because you have come to know God, or rather have come to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and miserable elemental spirits? Do you want to be enslaved to them all over again?

indicates one is in a loving relationship with God
 
@TomL
Reference Eph 1:4 Before the foundation of the world God chose that believers would appear before him holy and blameless in love

They were not believers when Chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4 so consequently they become believers 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Notce the sequence First Beloved and Chosen, then sanctified by the Spirit, then belief of the Truth

One will never ever be a believer if not chosen by God, redeemed by the Son and Sanctified by the Spirit.

Now they may believe deceptions like yourself since you reject Tulip Truths as the Gospel, but they will never believe the truth unless God finally have mercy on them.
 
I believe that those God called and chose before the foundation of the world were chosen on a conditional basis. They loved God.

Romans 8:28-33 (KJV) 28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose. 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. 31 What shall we then say to these things? If God [be] for us, who [can be] against us? 32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? [It is] God that justifieth.
 
@TomL


They were not believers when Chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4 so consequently they become believers 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Notce the sequence First Beloved and Chosen, then sanctified by the Spirit, then belief of the Truth

One will never ever be a believer if not chosen by God, redeemed by the Son and Sanctified by the Spirit.

Now they may believe deceptions like yourself since you reject Tulip Truths as the Gospel, but they will never believe the truth unless God finally have mercy on them.
You assume he was choosing particular men rather than just determining believers would be chosen to be holy and blameless


The verse says nothing whatsoever about men being unconditionally chosen for salvation.


You are reading your doctrine into scripture again.
 
You assume he was choosing particular men rather than just determining believers would be chosen to be holy and blameless


The verse says nothing whatsoever about men being unconditionally chosen for salvation.


You are reading your doctrine into scripture again.

They were not believers when Chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4 so consequently they become believers 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Notce the sequence First Beloved and Chosen, then sanctified by the Spirit, then belief of the Truth

One will never ever be a believer if not chosen by God, redeemed by the Son and Sanctified by the Spirit.

Now they may believe deceptions like yourself since you reject Tulip Truths as the Gospel, but they will never believe the truth unless God finally have mercy on them.
 
They were not believers when Chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4 so consequently they become believers 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Notce the sequence First Beloved and Chosen, then sanctified by the Spirit, then belief of the Truth

One will never ever be a believer if not chosen by God, redeemed by the Son and Sanctified by the Spirit.

Now they may believe deceptions like yourself since you reject Tulip Truths as the Gospel, but they will never believe the truth unless God finally have mercy on them.
Do you have any reading comprehension?

He did not choose particular men.

He chose that those who believe would be holy and blameless.

Nothing there about unconditionally choosing certain men to be saved.
 
Do you have any reading comprehension?

He did not choose particular men.

He chose that those who believe would be holy and blameless.

Nothing there about unconditionally choosing certain men to be saved.
They were not believers when Chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4 so consequently they become believers 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Notce the sequence First Beloved and Chosen, then sanctified by the Spirit, then belief of the Truth

One will never ever be a believer if not chosen by God, redeemed by the Son and Sanctified by the Spirit.

Now they may believe deceptions like yourself since you reject Tulip Truths as the Gospel, but they will never believe the truth unless God finally have mercy on them.
 
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