The Gospel Of Salvation

[jeremiah1five]

What you fail to understand, Abrahams True children are people of faith, regardless of ethnicity Gal 3:7

Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

May God be pleased to deliver you from jewish fables and traditions.

I don't "fail to understand" as you do when discussing all three Hebrew covenants. Saul wrote to Jews and Jewish Christians in his Galatian letter.

3 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. Gal 3:1-7.

Jesus was crucified "among you" meaning the Jews who were about to celebrate the Passover which is a Hebrew observance commanded by God to the Hebrew people. Gentiles did not participate in the Passover. The high priest did not offer sacrifices to Gentiles. Jesus came to "save HIS PEOPLE [the Jews] from their sins." Gentiles were not included in Gabriel's instruction to Mary. Gentiles are NOT "His [Jesus'] people." And in Galatians 4 Saul makes an astounding statement which is true and supports the scope of to whom Jesus was sacrificed. He was sacrificed "for you [the Jews.]"

19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. Lk 22:19.

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Gal. 4:4–5.

I prefer to believe God's Word. Scripture cannot be broken, but your interpretations violate the Old Testament record. God never made a salvation covenant with Gentiles as He did with the children of Israel at the time of the Tabernacle.
The high priest never offered sacrifices for Gentiles. Jesus came to "fulfill the Law" and the Law was given to Israel and their salvation is ensured through the three Hebrew covenants especially the Mosaic Covenant in which the sacrifice atoned for the sins of the children of Israel and NOT GENTILES.
Thus, Gentiles are outside the salvation which is of the LORD. Jesus as High Priest fulfilled the Law, and the Law never included Gentiles. (Gal. 4:4-5.)

 

[brightfame52]

I don't "fail to understand" as you do when discussing all three Hebrew covenants. Saul wrote to Jews and Jewish Christians in his Galatian letter.

3 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. Gal 3:1-7.

Jesus was crucified "among you" meaning the Jews who were about to celebrate the Passover which is a Hebrew observance commanded by God to the Hebrew people. Gentiles did not participate in the Passover. The high priest did not offer sacrifices to Gentiles. Jesus came to "save HIS PEOPLE [the Jews] from their sins." Gentiles were not included in Gabriel's instruction to Mary. Gentiles are NOT "His [Jesus'] people." And in Galatians 4 Saul makes an astounding statement which is true and supports the scope of to whom Jesus was sacrificed. He was sacrificed "for you [the Jews.]"

19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. Lk 22:19.

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Gal. 4:4–5.

I prefer to believe God's Word. Scripture cannot be broken, but your interpretations violate the Old Testament record. God never made a salvation covenant with Gentiles as He did with the children of Israel at the time of the Tabernacle.
The high priest never offered sacrifices for Gentiles. Jesus came to "fulfill the Law" and the Law was given to Israel and their salvation is ensured through the three Hebrew covenants especially the Mosaic Covenant in which the sacrifice atoned for the sins of the children of Israel and NOT GENTILES.
Thus, Gentiles are outside the salvation which is of the LORD. Jesus as High Priest fulfilled the Law, and the Law never included Gentiles. (Gal. 4:4-5.)

Abraham has a spiritual seed, they are revealed by their Faith in Christ, they are children of promise as was Illustrated by Isaac Gal 4:28

28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

They are Israel Rom 9:6-8

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

 

[brightfame52]

Abraham has a spiritual seed, they are revealed by their Faith in Christ, they are children of promise as was Illustrated by Isaac Gal 4:28

28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

They are Israel Rom 9:6-8

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

The Abrahamic covenant is applicable only to those who are in Christ and is not applicable to the physical Jews unless they become saved !

 

[dwight92070]

The son came to his senses because he was made alive by regeneration. Since when do dead people make themselves alive ? Duh Lk 15:24

For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.

He was spiritually dead. Spiritually dead people do lots of things, even while spiritually dead. Some live their whole lives without spiritual life. Think about it. What were you able to do when you were spiritually dead? Eat, sleep, drink, talk, think and yes, even repent. However, when they repent and put their faith in Jesus, God gives them spiritual life.

So why did you ignore my questions in #111? Apparently you are unable to answer those, because it requires Bible knowledge.

 

[Wilber]

And Resurrection

And Rejoicing

Let us rejoice and exult and give him the glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his Bride has made herself ready; it was granted her to clothe herself with fine linen, bright and pure”— for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints. And the angel said to me, “Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.” And he said to me, “These are the true words of God.”

Revelation 19:7-9​

 

[jeremiah1five]

Abraham has a spiritual seed, they are revealed by their Faith in Christ, they are children of promise as was Illustrated by Isaac Gal 4:28

No, they are revealed as inheritors and possessors of His Spirit.

28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

They are Israel Rom 9:6-8

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

The context and reference is Isaac and Ishmael. One born free, the other born in bondage.

 

[brightfame52]

He was spiritually dead. Spiritually dead people do lots of things, even while spiritually dead. Some live their whole lives without spiritual life. Think about it. What were you able to do when you were spiritually dead? Eat, sleep, drink, talk, think and yes, even repent. However, when they repent and put their faith in Jesus, God gives them spiritual life.

So why did you ignore my questions in #111? Apparently you are unable to answer those, because it requires Bible knowledge.

Spiritually dead people do nothing spiritual friend. They dead. They have just as much ability to do something spiritual when dead as a physically dead person has the ability to do something physically while dead.

 

[civic]

He was spiritually dead. Spiritually dead people do lots of things, even while spiritually dead. Some live their whole lives without spiritual life. Think about it. What were you able to do when you were spiritually dead? Eat, sleep, drink, talk, think and yes, even repent. However, when they repent and put their faith in Jesus, God gives them spiritual life.

So why did you ignore my questions in #111? Apparently you are unable to answer those, because it requires Bible knowledge.

yep

why would Jesus need to teach in parables to the spiritually dead who are deaf, dumb and blind ?

why would He need to hide the truth from the calvinists false doctrine of the dead ?

an oxymoron if I ever heard one lol.

 

[brightfame52]

No, they are revealed as inheritors and possessors of His Spirit.

The context and reference is Isaac and Ishmael. One born free, the other born in bondage.

Abraham was given a spiritual seed as well as a physical seed, the spiritual seed are anyone with God given Faith in Christ regardless of ethnicity. Gal 3:28-:29

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Gal 3:7

7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
You stuck on Abrahams physical seed, be warned Matt 3 9

And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

 

[Bronson]

Abraham was given a spiritual seed as well as a physical seed, the spiritual seed are anyone with God given Faith in Christ regardless of ethnicity. Gal 3:28-:29

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Gal 3:7

7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
You stuck on Abrahams physical seed, be warned Matt 3 9

And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

Galatians 3:28-29 is a statement about our equal value in the eyes of God, and how we should learn to view each other. It is a proclamation of the unity of humanity in Christ, and how all believers are united in him and are God’s children, regardless of race, social status, sex or the law. The passage means that whatever was the birth, rank, nation, color, or complexion, all under the gospel were on a level, and were admitted to the same privileges and endowed with the same hopes of eternal life.

 

[brightfame52]

Galatians 3:28-29 is a statement about our equal value in the eyes of God, and how we should learn to view each other. It is a proclamation of the unity of humanity in Christ, and how all believers are united in him and are God’s children, regardless of race, social status, sex or the law. The passage means that whatever was the birth, rank, nation, color, or complexion, all under the gospel were on a level, and were admitted to the same privileges and endowed with the same hopes of eternal life.

Thats Abrahams Spiritual Seed, ethnicity doesnt factor in

 

[dwight92070]

Spiritually dead people do nothing spiritual friend. They dead. They have just as much ability to do something spiritual when dead as a physically dead person has the ability to do something physically while dead.

So why are you so afraid to give answers to my questions in #111? Is it because Calvinism has NO answers for those questions? If that's the case, you had better find a true doctrine, because this one isn't helping you or your family - or anyone on this forum.

 

[brightfame52]

So why are you so afraid to give answers to my questions in #111? Is it because Calvinism has NO answers for those questions? If that's the case, you had better find a true doctrine, because this one isn't helping you or your family - or anyone on this forum.

Spiritually dead people do nothing spiritual friend. They dead. They have just as much ability to do something spiritual when dead as a physically dead person has the ability to do something physically while dead.

 

[Waylon]

Spiritually dead people do nothing spiritual friend. They dead. They have just as much ability to do something spiritual when dead as a physically dead person has the ability to do something physically while dead.

Your thinking of moral inability. It is closely related to the doctrine of spiritual death. This phrase is commonly employed to describe the extent of man’s moral corruption, and this doctrine teaches us that fallen man is unable to love, obey, or please God.
Man is unable to love God because he hates God. He is unable to obey God because He disdains his commands.

To be spiritually dead is to be separated from God.

If you look at the life of any non-Christian, you will find he does many things that are right. E.g. speaking the truth, raising children lovingly, helping others, and giving money to charity. There are even non-Christians who can serve as examples to Christians through all the good things they do.

Another example is the parable of the Good Samaritan. Jesus makes his hearers squirm by telling a story where the unbeliever is the good guy. The priest and the Levite abandon a wounded traveler, but the Samaritan, who does not belong to God’s people, helps him.

Now this is not something that really happened, it is just a story that Jesus told. But through telling the story Jesus shows that this is something that could happen. And we probably all know examples when Christians failed and unbelievers did the right thing. So the first thing that needs to be said it: yes, non-Christians definitely can do right things – even to the extent that it makes Christian ashamed.

 

[brightfame52]

Your thinking of moral inability. It is closely related to the doctrine of spiritual death. This phrase is commonly employed to describe the extent of man’s moral corruption, and this doctrine teaches us that fallen man is unable to love, obey, or please God.
Man is unable to love God because he hates God. He is unable to obey God because He disdains his commands.

To be spiritually dead is to be separated from God.

If you look at the life of any non-Christian, you will find he does many things that are right. E.g. speaking the truth, raising children lovingly, helping others, and giving money to charity. There are even non-Christians who can serve as examples to Christians through all the good things they do.

Another example is the parable of the Good Samaritan. Jesus makes his hearers squirm by telling a story where the unbeliever is the good guy. The priest and the Levite abandon a wounded traveler, but the Samaritan, who does not belong to God’s people, helps him.

Now this is not something that really happened, it is just a story that Jesus told. But through telling the story Jesus shows that this is something that could happen. And we probably all know examples when Christians failed and unbelievers did the right thing. So the first thing that needs to be said it: yes, non-Christians definitely can do right things – even to the extent that it makes Christian ashamed.

Spiritually dead people do nothing spiritual friend. They dead. They have just as much ability to do something spiritual when dead as a physically dead person has the ability to do something physically while dead.

 

[Waylon]

Spiritually dead people do nothing spiritual friend. They dead. They have just as much ability to do something spiritual when dead as a physically dead person has the ability to do something physically while dead.

To be spiritually dead is to be separated from God. It's not about what you do or don't do.

 

[dwight92070]

Spiritually dead people do nothing spiritual friend. They dead. They have just as much ability to do something spiritual when dead as a physically dead person has the ability to do something physically while dead.

You're really not that good of an advocate for Calvinism. Instead of giving Scripture to confirm what you say, you're just a broken record, almost answering like a robot. Of course Calvinism has nothing in it for which anyone should advocate. You're still afraid of #111 and the questions I posed, because Calvinism really has no Scriptural answers for those questions and you're confirming that.
If you're going to continue being a broken record, then why are you even here? You're doing nobody any good, especially not yourself.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Spiritually dead people do nothing spiritual friend. They dead. They have just as much ability to do something spiritual when dead as a physically dead person has the ability to do something physically while dead.

The focus is not on the children of Israel but in the plan of God for this people. The covenants were the means of preparing Israel's Deliverer. God is not a God of the dead but of the living.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Abraham was given a spiritual seed as well as a physical seed, the spiritual seed are anyone with God given Faith in Christ regardless of ethnicity. Gal 3:28-:29

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Gal 3:7

7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
You stuck on Abrahams physical seed, be warned Matt 3 9

And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

Your quote of Galatians 3 is a record of God addressing His people Israel through Saul.
Saul wrote to Jews and Jewish Christians in the Galatian region who are the descendants of Abraham and the true inheritors of God's promises. The Galatian letter is not written to Gentiles but the Jews.

 

[brightfame52]

To be spiritually dead is to be separated from God. It's not about what you do or don't do.

Yes it is, because being spiritually dead equates to enmity against God actively. Eph 2:1-3

And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.