The faith of Jesus Christ versus the faith of man

It doesn't to my knowledge tell YOU how to be saved, it presents salvation is given by God through covenant, beginning with the Abrahamic Covenant which is given to Abram the Hebrew (Genesis 14:13) and his Hebrew seed. The Mosaic Covenant builds upon the Abraham Covenant with the giving of God's Law to the children of Israel thus officially making Israel a political nation now that they have a government with Laws that guide the population in its treatment one should have for oneself, how to treat others in this covenant, and how to treat others who are not in this covenant, such as non-Hebrew Gentiles. The Mosaic Covenant is fulfillment of a promise made by God to Abraham that his covenant promises were extended to his Hebrew seed and in the Mosaic Covenant God instructed and commanded instruction and command to the children of Israel of a spiritual or religious nature, including the substitutionary sacrifice of certain animals whose purpose was the temporary atonement from sin and its penalty which was death - physical, spiritual, and eternal separation from God. Contained in this Mosaic covenant were promises/prophecies from God to Israel to send a Deliverer who would destroy Israel's enemies including the great enemy which was death (physical, spiritual, eternal.) The Old Covenant doesn't tell "you" how to be saved directly, but it does tell "you" who was to be saved eternally, and that was targeted to those who were under the La w, meaning the children of Israel through covenant which was a foundation covenant and part one of a three-part plan for the salvation of the Hebrew people who were under the scope of the Mosaic Covenant Law and promises. This included a third part in the plan of God to save the Hebrew people with a promise of a New Covenant which included the ten northern kingdom tribes called the House of Israel, and two southern kingdom tribes called the House of Judah equaling twelve tribes in total. The mechanism for their salvation is tied to the Mosaic Covenant in some respects including the religious sacrifice of God's own Son, Yeshua bar Yosef, who died under the Law to atone the sins of the people under the Law, that is, the children of Israel. The New Covenant prophesied by Jeremiah and fulfilled personally by God's own Son in human flesh is only the Mosaic Covenant fulfilled by Jesus Christ.

The Old Covenant "told" you how to be saved and that was by being part of the covenants that preceded it, the Abraham and Mosaic Covenants. The verse that describes what God did is written by Saul to Jews and Jewish Christians living in the Galatian Region:

1 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;
2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.
3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
Galatians 4:1–7.

There was a process. It began with Abraham and ended with Jesus. Saul further clarifies salvation in this manner by identifying its parts in order to understand the whole:

1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
3 For I could wish that myself were eaccursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
4 Who are Israelites;
to whom pertaineth
the adoption,
and the glory,
and the covenants,
and the giving of the law,
and the service of God,
and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers,
and of whom as concerning the flesh
Christ came,
who is over all, God blessed for ever.
Amen.
Romans 9:1–5.

The "HOW" is in verse 4.
The "WHO" is "the Israelites."

From Abraham the promises God made passed down through the generations on through the centuries until we come to Jesus. He is the subject of Israel's salvation, and the mechanism is the Mosaic Law, specifically the Ceremonial Laws guiding the temporary atonement until a permanent atonement could be accomplished through the sacrifice of God's own Son, the Lord Jesus Christ.

Answering "how" is more complicated since God's plan for the salvation and redemption of the Hebrew people spanned centuries, each section at its predetermined appointed time.
It is sad that you do not recognize nor understand what you are reading there in Romans 9.

In truth, verse 8 pretty much denies so much of what you believe and post here. You profess over and over that the covenants and salvation are to the children of the flesh. Verse 8 says that is not true and instead it is the children of the promise.

Paul caps that portion of the discussion with verses 30-33 with the following:

Rom 9:30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, who followed not after righteousness, attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith: 31 but Israel, following after a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. 32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by works. They stumbled at the stone of stumbling; 33 even as it is written, Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offence: And he that believeth on him shall not be put to shame.

He, Paul, adds to that discussion in chapters 10 and 11 which you really need to spend some time studying carefully because again he essentially rebuts most of what you post here concerning the condition and the position of the race of Jews.
 
Where in the Old Covenant does it tell you how to be saved?
The Law reveals that salvation is impossible by perfect obedience and that atonement is required for sin. It points forward to a greater sacrifice.
The Need for Atonement: The sacrificial system in the Law (Leviticus) demonstrates that life is forfeited by sin and that God provides a way for temporary forgiveness through blood.

11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul. Leviticus 17:11.

David, one of the authors of the Psalms, understood that salvation from sin was a free gift based on God's grace, not human merit.

1 Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered. Psalms 32:1.

10 Create in me a clean heart, O God;
And renew a right spirit within me.
11 Cast me not away from thy presence;
And take not thy holy spirit from me.
12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation;
And uphold me with thy free spirit.
Psalms 51:10–12.

5 But he was wounded for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities:
The chastisement of our peace was upon him;
And with his stripes we are healed.
Isaiah 53:5.
 
I'm giving you the truth
No, you're not. You're adding to the Bible.
Gentiles were never atoned under the Law, and if Jesus came to fulfill the Law and to substitute His life for the life of the animal whose blood was sprinkled upon the Mercy Seat of the Ark of the Hebrew Covenant, then Jesus died for the children of Israel ONLY.

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Galatians 4:3–5.
 
The Law reveals that salvation is impossible by perfect obedience and that atonement is required for sin. It points forward to a greater sacrifice.
In fact, the Law reveals no such thing. In fact, Paul devoted all of Romans 1:18-3:20 to explain the impotence of the Law as a way of salvation. If that was revealed in the law, there would have been no real reason for Paul to devote all of that time to explain it.

And against what you are preaching here, the NT, again and again, exclaim the truth that salvation has absolutely nothing to do with genetics. The first five verses of Romans 2 shows that the Jews are under the wrath of God no less than the Gentiles and the next five verse declare that God will be partial to no one in salvation.
 
Okay so nobody Christ died for and rose again will be lost. The people who will be lost in their sins, obviously Christ didnt die for them, or rise for them. Correct ? Can we agree fellowship with this conclusion ?
Actually, scripture tells us that Jesus Christ died for all. 2 Corinthians 5:14-15

If one rejects Christ, they choose the second death by their own free will.
 
Actually, scripture tells us that Jesus Christ died for all. 2 Corinthians 5:14-15

If one rejects Christ, they choose the second death by their own free will.
So then you really conditioned salvation on what man does all this time, not solely on what Christ did. So next time just say that instead of going around the circles
 
So in essence you are saying every Old Testament believer who received and trusted God’s covenant promises was predestined and chosen in Christ before the world began, and they were saved exactly the same way we are: by grace through faith in the coming Redeemer?
Salvation didn't rest with the believer or covenant member; it rested with God who made the promise(s.) As Jonah says, "Salvation is of the LORD" (Jonah 2:9.)
And no, salvation was not through faith, it was through covenant as a box, a grace from God, and the salvation, the mercy, the righteousness, the spiritual gifts, being chosen, faith, blessings, prosperity, etc., are its contents.
Not “those given covenant were predestined” ..... rather, God predestined from eternity whom He would bring into His one covenant of grace, and then in history He revealed that covenant in stages (Abrahamic, Mosaic, New, etc)?
Correct.
 
Sister, we both read this precious scripture and walk away with a totally different understanding.

I read it and say this: The law of God was given for God's children (as a schoolmaster) to help them see their need of Christ's faith and obedience as the only means of their free justification by God's grace. Now that Christ has come and we have been properly taught by our schoolmaster, we are no longer under the schoolmaster in this sense, because the law served perfectly God's intended purpose to teach us of our need of Christ. The law leaves us without any hope in our own works and basically teaches us to sing this beautiful hymn:
I'm not sure I understand what you mean, Red. Could you be more specific?

I suppose the better question would be: what do you believe I mean by sharing Galatians 3:24-25?
 
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Augustine did indeed believe and taught this toward the end of his life, yet he only saw some of the truth of Amill idealist position. His exposition concerning Revelation 20 was excellent. But, his understanding was not enlarge upon sad to say by the Reformers, since Catholicism has had such a strong hold, (they limited the man of sin to the Pope's) and many other cults had not yet been born into this world as there are here today in millions other than RCC/EOC. If they were here today( the Reformers) they would include~the Mormons, SDA, Jehovah Witnesses, and Pentecostalism, etc., no doubt.
What exactly did Augustine teach in regards to Revelation 20?
Not sure what you mean with these words. We can and should test all doctrines with the scriptures.
Earlier on in another thread, you were taking John 5 out of context, placing the BoC in Revelation 20.
This is in error, my dear brother.
 
When a man hears and believes, it is not the old man (for that is impossible) but his new man that is a creative work in God's elect by the almighty power of God~this birth happens to a child of God sometimes after conception and before death, and is evidenced by faith and obedience to the word of God. Two prime examples of this is John the the Baptist and the thief on the cross.
I could spend more time proving the metonymy in Ephesians 2:8 by the context in just before verse 8, in verses: 4-6..."But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:"

We were IN CHRIST from all eternity, even while he lived in this world and in his death and resurrection, which secured our redemption for us. What he did, it was as though we did it, what happen to Christ happened to us legally speaking two thousand years ago.
Only those who hear, & believe the Gospel are in Christ, Red. We, as individuals, were not in Christ from all eternity. A lost person first has to hear, & believe the Gospel before being spiritually baptized into Christ.

1st John 3:23​

“And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.”

Victoria, we should put our faith totally in the cross of Christ, and put off the old man and his deeds but this is only possible after we are born of the Spirit of God, not before.
I never indicated it's possible before salvation, Red.

For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God
knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know
the things that are freely given to us of God.

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth;
comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him:
neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

1 Corinthians 2:11-14
 
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