The Eternal Son

[praise_yeshua]

Complete FALSEHOOD

You need to hit the BREAKS right here and turn back to TRUTH

Don't get angry. You're repeating what you've heard. I've ask you a question you can't answer. Find the answer.

Animals were not created in the image of God = animals do not have a spirit
As @civic would say: next fallacy

Prove it. There is only one verse you can appeal to and I'm already ahead of you on this. It doesn't say what tradition teaches.

I'll ask again. What right did Adam have to Eternal life?

Please consider what the writer of Hebrews says.....

Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

 

[DavidTree]

Don't get angry. You're repeating what you've heard. I've ask you a question you can't answer. Find the answer.



Prove it. There is only one verse you can appeal to and I'm already ahead of you on this. It doesn't say what tradition teaches.

I'll ask again. What right did Adam have to Eternal life?

Please consider what the writer of Hebrews says.....

Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Don't get angry.

i am not angry

You're repeating what you've heard

CORRECT = i am repeating what i have heard from the Holy Spirit

I'll ask again. What right did Adam have to Eternal life?

#1 - Only sin prevents a person from eternal life = Genesis, Moses/Law, OT Prophets, GOSPEL, NT Writers/Apostles

#2 - God offered Adam & Eve eternal life = Genesis

And the LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife, and He clothed them.

Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil. And now, lest he reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever...”

Therefore the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken.
So He drove out the man and stationed cherubim on the east side of the Garden of Eden, along with a whirling sword of flame to guard the way to the tree of life.

 

[Runningman]

You believe you're just like Jesus. You're not. Not even close.



You're mediator of nothing. So why is Jesus different than you?

Humans like Moses and Jesus can mediate between God and men.

Galatians 3
19Why then was the law given? It was added because of transgressions, until the arrival of the seed to whom the promise referred. It was administered through angels by a mediator.

 

[praise_yeshua]

i am not angry


CORRECT = i am repeating what i have heard from the Holy Spirit

What does the Holy Spirit sound like? Please explain. I've heard people say this my entire life and they all contradict one another. I image sometimes that God grows weary of all his children claiming He said something He didn't. The longsuffering of God.

#1 - Only sin prevents a person from eternal life = Genesis, Moses/Law, OT Prophets, GOSPEL, NT Writers/Apostles

Then why do you have Eternal life? I know I wouldn't have Eternal life if such depended upon me sinning or not sinning. Adam was placed in an impossible situation with an independent mind that could act contrary to God.

Do you plan to have that problem throughout this "Eternal Life" you possess or are you going to be changed? I know I am. How about you?

#2 - God offered Adam & Eve eternal life = Genesis

And the LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife, and He clothed them.

Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil. And now, lest he reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever...”

Therefore the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken.
So He drove out the man and stationed cherubim on the east side of the Garden of Eden, along with a whirling sword of flame to guard the way to the tree of life.

I don't see the offer. Please point it out to me please! God drove Adam and Eve away from the tree of life.

As I've said many times before here, Adam proved he wasn't impeccable by sinning. Adam wasn't what you and others claim he was. Adam was weak. Adam was taken from dust. The very ashes of destruction. Marred in the hands of the potter. Weak. Incapable of helping himself.

Is the potter to blame or was the vessel (flesh) Adam was created from incapable/weak an unable to hold up to the refining process necessary for "pottery"?

I ask you to reconsider what you think you know. Just consider this one thing for me.....

If Adam was perfect and complete in having Eternal life, then why did Adam need Eve?

Gen 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

Do you notice the phrase "not good" in Genesis 2:18?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Humans like Moses and Jesus can mediate between God and men.

Galatians 3
19Why then was the law given? It was added because of transgressions, until the arrival of the seed to whom the promise referred. It was administered through angels by a mediator.

Like I said. You're the mediator of nothing. Appealing to better men than yourself doesn't help YOU!!!!!!

There is only ONE mediator of the new covenant written in the blood and death of Jesus Christ. Not you. Not anyone else. Not Moses. Not ANYONE ELSE.

Jesus is better than Moses. Better than you. Better than all others. Yet, here you are dishonoring Him while insisting you're like Him. You're not. You have no life without Him.

1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

What a pathetic example you pretend to be of representing God.

Lining you up right beside Jesus Christ and no one is paying attention to your glory. You have none.

Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

 

[Runningman]

Like I said. You're the mediator of nothing. Appealing to better men than yourself doesn't help YOU!!!!!!

There is only ONE mediator of the new covenant written in the blood and death of Jesus Christ. Not you. Not anyone else. Not Moses. Not ANYONE ELSE.

Jesus is better than Moses. Better than you. Better than all others. Yet, here you are dishonoring Him while insisting you're like Him. You're not. You have no life without Him.

1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

What a pathetic example you pretend to be of representing God.

Lining you up right beside Jesus Christ and no one is paying attention to your glory. You have none.

Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Strawman argument. I have never claimed to be a mediator between God and anyone, but Jesus is a type of Moses as they are compared with each other repeatedly in the Bible.

Actually, Jesus is compared to everyone in the world because he shares a common ground with them as a man descended from Adam who was tempted in every way as we are. While it's true God and Jesus have several things in common, it's also true that humans in general have something in common with God, being made in His image, able to be perfect as He is perfect, and holy as He is holy.

Yet it is equally true that there are a lot of things that Jesus and God do not have in common. Some of those things are divine characteristics and over a dozen/names and titles.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Strawman argument. I have never claimed to be a mediator between God and anyone, but Jesus is a type of Moses as they are compared with each other repeatedly in the Bible.

Actually, Jesus is compared to everyone in the world because he shares a common ground with them as a man descended from Adam who was tempted in every way as we are. While it's true God and Jesus have several things in common, it's also true that humans in general have something in common with God, being made in His image, able to be perfect as He is perfect, and holy as He is holy.

Yet it is equally true that there are a lot of things that Jesus and God do not have in common. Some of those things are divine characteristics and over a dozen/names and titles.

It isn't a straw man argument to rightfully recognize your claim to be equal to Jesus when you're not like Jesus. No one is exactly like Jesus. Your claims are bogus and deceptively childish. You can't be like Jesus. You can't even be like Moses.

 

[Red Baker]

@Runningman

as a man descended from Adam

Jesus Christ did not descend from Adam! God was his father ~ he did not have Adams' fallen nature, he was Holy from conception, until death of his body. You are bearing a false witness of Christ.

Luke 1:35​

“And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.”

While it's true God and Jesus have several things in common, it's also true that humans in general have something in common with God, being made in His image, able to be perfect as He is perfect, and holy as He is holy.

You have a low view of Jesus Christ, almost like any common man on the street of East LA. Btw, no man other than Jesus Christ is able to be perfect and holy as God is, impossible! Your religion has you very mess up, and confused.

 

[Dizerner]

Jesus Christ did not descend from Adam!

Physically he did... we don't want to deny that.

 

[DavidTree]

What does the Holy Spirit sound like? Please explain. I've heard people say this my entire life and they all contradict one another. I image sometimes that God grows weary of all his children claiming He said something He didn't. The longsuffering of God.



Then why do you have Eternal life? I know I wouldn't have Eternal life if such depended upon me sinning or not sinning. Adam was placed in an impossible situation with an independent mind that could act contrary to God.

Do you plan to have that problem throughout this "Eternal Life" you possess or are you going to be changed? I know I am. How about you?



I don't see the offer. Please point it out to me please! God drove Adam and Eve away from the tree of life.

As I've said many times before here, Adam proved he wasn't impeccable by sinning. Adam wasn't what you and others claim he was. Adam was weak. Adam was taken from dust. The very ashes of destruction. Marred in the hands of the potter. Weak. Incapable of helping himself.

Is the potter to blame or was the vessel (flesh) Adam was created from incapable/weak an unable to hold up to the refining process necessary for "pottery"?

I ask you to reconsider what you think you know. Just consider this one thing for me.....

If Adam was perfect and complete in having Eternal life, then why did Adam need Eve?

Gen 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

Do you notice the phrase "not good" in Genesis 2:18?

What does the Holy Spirit sound like? Please explain. I've heard people say this my entire life and they all contradict one another. I image sometimes that God grows weary of all his children claiming He said something He didn't. The longsuffering of God.

AGREE

Hearing the Holy Spirit is not an audible sound.
It is hearing in our spirits the Truth = Thy word is Truth

Notice how @Runningman and @Peterlag cannot hear the Holy Spirit because they have not submitted unto Christ.
Therefore they fight against the Truth because they rely on human intellect.

JESUS emphasized this by Saying: "Hearing they hear not, seeing they see not....."

 

[praise_yeshua]

Physically he did... we don't want to deny that.

There is this context that exists among many Christians that demands a hybrid view of the very nature of Jesus Christ. This is essential to "their" theology because it gives them the ability to simply assert various things that Jesus did/said as either "speaking as God" or "speaking as man".

This is "part" of the battle that exists between good and evil that seeks to define just "WHO" Jesus Christ is.

The battle for Eternal Life for mankind "hinges" on WHO Jesus Christ is.

As some people begin to know Jesus Christ, they don't like what they find/see in Him. Such can even abandon the faith.

In the seed of Mary, (women have a seed. Not just men) Christ was 100 percent in the likeness of Adam.

 

[praise_yeshua]

AGREE

Hearing the Holy Spirit is not an audible sound.
It is hearing in our spirits the Truth = Thy word is Truth

In my opinion, the hardest thing to learn when it comes to listening to God. Our and other's voices "get in the way".

Notice how @Runningman and @Peterlag cannot hear the Holy Spirit because they have not submitted unto Christ.
Therefore they fight against the Truth because they rely on human intellect.

JESUS emphasized this by Saying: "Hearing they hear not, seeing they see not....."

To me, such is a reference to understanding. I do believe that we can know the voice of the Spirit of God by realizing that we are being corrected. Its not always a pleasant experience when God speaks to us personally. To even hear His voice, we often need to silence every other voice in our lives. Even our own voice.

 

[DavidTree]

In my opinion, the hardest thing to learn when it comes to listening to God. Our and other's voices "get in the way".



To me, such is a reference to understanding. I do believe that we can know the voice of the Spirit of God by realizing that we are being corrected. Its not always a pleasant experience when God speaks to us personally. To even hear His voice, we often need to silence every other voice in our lives. Even our own voice.

YES = Understanding is the KEY of the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth

Song birds sing out beautiful tones = natures music = notice how the Holy Spirit is depicted at JESUS water baptism

Understanding the Truth contained in the Holy Scriptures is a Melody to our spirits when we desire Truth

 

[civic]

YES = Understanding is the KEY of the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth

Song birds sing out beautiful tones = natures music = notice how the Holy Spirit is depicted at JESUS water baptism

Understanding the Truth contained in the Holy Scriptures is a Melody to our spirits when we desire Truth

Yes Amen to our Eternal Son Who is the only One whom is found Eternal Life. In Him was Life- John 1:4

 

[DavidTree]

To even hear His voice, we often need to silence every other voice in our lives. Even our own voice.

AGREE = this is KEY

 

[praise_yeshua]

YES = Understanding is the KEY of the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth

Song birds sing out beautiful tones = natures music = notice how the Holy Spirit is depicted at JESUS water baptism

Understanding the Truth contained in the Holy Scriptures is a Melody to our spirits when we desire Truth

Have you every tried to "play back" a melody before? I enjoy music. I play a few instruments myself. I'm not as good as I once was due to some nerve issues in my arm but I do still "hear music" as well as I ever have.

Sometimes we think we really know a melody and we don't. At least not as well as we can. It is experience that builds such in our lives. Experience is essential to understanding.

Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

Senses must be exercised. Senses must be "honed". This never ends in our life here.

Have you ever considered that is actually what God was doing when He created Adam and Eve? God was put them in a environment where it was essential for them to learn their surroundings.

God didn't Adam nor Eve with absolute knowledge. They had to learn through experience. God designed us this way for at least one reason. This thought has "flavored" my theology for a long time.

We only value what we learn through experience. We often ignore what we're told until we experience it first hand. Seeking is what opens the door. Living is what makes it real to us. Until we do, it is nothing more than someone else's.......

We must own such or we can't love it. It is nothing more than conjecture to us until it is experienced.

 

[Runningman]

It isn't a straw man argument to rightfully recognize your claim to be equal to Jesus when you're not like Jesus. No one is exactly like Jesus. Your claims are bogus and deceptively childish. You can't be like Jesus. You can't even be like Moses.

If it's not a strawman argument then it's false witness. I think I understand you now. You're like the others here who cry when they are powerless to make the Bible bow to their credal idol.

Stick with the scripture and respond to them or I will assume you can't.

 

[Runningman]

@Runningman

Jesus Christ did not descend from Adam! God was his father ~ he did not have Adams' fallen nature, he was Holy from conception, until death of his body. You are bearing a false witness of Christ.

Luke 1:35​

“And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.”

Ever heard of a geneology before? It says Jesus is descended from Adam who is the Son of God.

Luke 3
23Jesus Himself was about thirty years old when He began His ministry.
He was regarded as the son of Joseph,
the son of Heli,
24the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, the son of Melchi,
the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph,
25the son of Mattathias, the son of Amos, the son of Nahum,
the son of Esli, the son of Naggai,
26the son of Maath, the son of Mattathias, the son of Semein,
the son of Josech, the son of Joda,
27the son of Joanan, the son of Rhesa, the son of Zerubbabel,
the son of Shealtiel, the son of Neri,
28the son of Melchi, the son of Addi, the son of Cosam,
the son of Elmadam, the son of Er,
29the son of Joshua, the son of Eliezer, the son of Jorim,
the son of Matthat, the son of Levi,
30the son of Simeon, the son of Judah, the son of Joseph,
the son of Jonam, the son of Eliakim,
31the son of Melea, the son of Menna, the son of Mattatha,
the son of Nathan, the son of David,
32the son of Jesse, the son of Obed, the son of Boaz,
the son of Sala,e the son of Nahshon,
33the son of Amminadab, the son of Admin,f the son of Arni,g
the son of Hezron, the son of Perez, the son of Judah,
34the son of Jacob, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham,
the son of Terah, the son of Nahor,
35the son of Serug, the son of Reu, the son of Peleg,
the son of Eber, the son of Shelah,
36the son of Cainan, the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem,
the son of Noah, the son of Lamech,
37the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch, the son of Jared,
the son of Mahalalel, the son of Cainan,
38the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam,
the son of God.

You have a low view of Jesus Christ, almost like any common man on the street of East LA. Btw, no man other than Jesus Christ is able to be perfect and holy as God is, impossible! Your religion has you very mess up, and confused.

I have the correct view of Jesus. You have made Jesus into an idol. Repent.

 

[praise_yeshua]

If it's not a strawman argument then it's false witness. I think I understand you now. You're like the others here who cry when they are powerless to make the Bible bow to their credal idol.

Stick with the scripture and respond to them or I will assume you can't.

Witness is true. You're proof of it. Everything you say proves the witness to be true.

You don't talk like Jesus. You don't think like Jesus. You don't talk like Moses. You don't think like Moses.

I don't want anything to bow to me. I'd say you actually have that problem. Not me. Believe you want. Make your choice. Live to reap the whirlwind.

 

[Red Baker]

Ever heard of a geneology before? It says Jesus is descended from Adam who is the Son of God.

Wrong, as always.

Luke 3:23​

“And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,”

But God was his Father! The "likeness of" sinful flesh (free from Adam's sinful flesh) came through being made of a woman through Mary his mother.

Galatians 4:4​

“But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,”

I have the correct view of Jesus. You have made Jesus into an idol. Repent.

That's "only" idol that heaven will accept a man loving and worshipping!

Deuteronomy 5:7​

“Thou shalt have none other gods before me.”

1st Corinthians 8:4​

“As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.”

1st John 5:20​

“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”