These all talk about physical men, not their spirits.
All of these verse are modified by the information in the following verses:
Job 38:7 ...
Berean Standard Bible
while the morning stars sang together and ALL the sons of God shouted for joy? Since these sons of GOD sang HIS praises when they witnessed the creation of the physical universe they must have been spirits created BEFORE the creation of the physical universe.
Few like to accept that
ALL the sons of GOD in this verse means exactly
ALL the sons of GOD so they reject it but few offer a suggestion about why GOD used the word
all in the verse rather than the supposedly more truthful
some of the sons of GOD. Before the creation of the physical universe, there were people, but not men.
Verse 7. When the morning stars sang together] This must refer to some intelligent beings who existed before the creation of the visible heavens and earth: and it is supposed that this and the following clause refer to the same beings; that by the sons of God, and the morning stars, the angelic host is meant; as they are supposed to be first, though perhaps not chief, in the order of creation.
For the latter clause the Chaldee has, “All the troops of angels.” Perhaps their creation may be included in the term heavens, Gen. 1:1: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” These witnessed the progress of the creation; and, when God had finished his work, celebrated his wisdom and power in the highest strains.
Adam Clarke, The Holy Bible with a Commentary and Critical Notes (vol. 3, New Edition.; Bellingham, WA: Faithlife Corporation, 2014), 168.
7. When the morning-stars. There can be little doubt that angelic beings are intended here, though some have thought that the stars literally are referred to, and that they seemed to unite in a chorus of praise when another world was added to their number. The Vulgate renders it, astra matutina, morning-stars; the LXX. Ὅτε ἐγενήθηναι ἄστρα—when the stars were made; the Chaldee, “the stars of the zephyr,” or morning—כוכבי צפר. The comparison of a prince, a monarch, or an angel, with a star, is not uncommon; comp. Notes on Isa. 14:12. The expression “the morning-stars” is used on account of the beauty of the principal star which, at certain seasons of the year, leads on the morning. It is applied naturally to those angelic beings that are of distinguished glory and rank in heaven. That it refers to the angels, seems to be evident from the connection; and this interpretation is demanded in order to correspond with the phrase “sons of God” in the other member of the verse.
Sang together. United in a grand chorus or concert of praise. It was usual to celebrate the laying of a corner-stone, or the completion of an edifice, by rejoicing; see Zech. 4:7; Ezra 3:10.
And all the sons of God. Angels—called the sons of God from their resemblance to him, or their being created by him.
Albert Barnes, Notes on the Old Testament: Job (vol. 2; London: Blackie & Son, 1847), 194.
Matt 13:36 Then Jesus dismissed the crowds and went into the house. His disciples came to Him and said, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field.”
To explain the metaphor within a parable, one cannot use the metaphor itself because that would just be an extension of the metaphor, not a true explanation of it. The seeds in this metaphor are at prima facie, people.
37 He replied, “The One who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, and the good seed represents the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, 39 and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.
These people, both the sinful people of the kingdom and the reprobate people of the evil one are SOWN, not created, into this world. If sown means created then we must accept that the devil has the power to create like GOD does which is unacceptable to most Christians.
To sow in its ordinary use refers to taking seeds from a place of storage and scattering them into a place of growth, a field. Would it not be interesting if we could identify the place of storeage these people were in before they were sown into mankind...
You forget this is a parable and it is seeds which are sown. A parable is not designed to make a comparison in all points
Ps 9:17
Berean Standard Bible
The wicked will RETURN to Sheol—all the nations who forget God.
To
return to someplace in ordinary language means
to go back to where you have been BEFORE. The Hebrew word S7725.
shub, in fact means
to return but it is used to cover all manner of returnings, while some of the English renderings actually mean the opposite of
to return.
The reprobate were first in Sheol then they were sown into the world to be explicit bad examples for the sinful good seed to encourage them to come out from among the reprobate who then return to Sheol upon their death.
This interpretation does no damage to the words of the verse but it certainly damages the eisegetic belief of our creation on earth.
שׁוב (šwb), VB. turn back, return. Greek equiv. fr. LXX: ἐπιστρέφω (201), ἀποστρέφω (151). LTW שׁוּב (Repentance), שׁוּב (Apostasy), שׁוּב (Regeneration).
Verb Usage
1. to bring — to take something or somebody with oneself somewhere. Stems: hifil, 4; qal, 1. Related Topic: Transfer.
hifil
Ex 19:8 וַיָּ֧שֶׁב מֹשֶׁ֛ה אֶת־דִּבְרֵ֥י הָעָ֖ם
Ps 72:10 מַלְכֵ֬י תַרְשִׁ֣ישׁ וְ֭אִיִּים מִנְחָ֣ה יָשִׁ֑יבוּ
Job 30:23 כִּֽי־יָ֭דַעְתִּי מָ֣וֶת תְּשִׁיבֵ֑נִי
Job 39:12 כִּי־יָשׁוּב יָשִׁ֣יב זַרְעֶ֑
qal
Job 39:12 הֲתַאֲמִ֣ין בּ֖וֹ כִּי־יָשׁוּב זַרְעֶ֑ךָ
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2. to answer — to react verbally, as to a question or in giving some other kind of response. Stems: hifil, 30. Related Topic: Answer.
hifil
Job 33:5 אִם־תּוּכַ֥ל הֲשִׁיבֵ֑נִי
Job 33:32 אִם־יֵשׁ־מִלִּ֥ין הֲשִׁיבֵ֑נִי
2 Ch 10:6 לְהָשִׁ֥יב לָֽעָם־הַזֶּ֖ה
2 Ch 10:9 וְנָשִׁ֥יב דָּבָ֖ר אֶת־הָעָ֣ם הַזֶּ֑ה
2 Ch 10:16 וַיָּשִׁ֣יבוּ הָעָ֣ם אֶת־הַמֶּ֣לֶךְ׀
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3. to dwell — to inhabit or live in; be an inhabitant of. Stems: qal, 1. See also שׁכן. Related Topics: Habitation; Homes and Dwellings; Dwell; Inhabit.
qal
Ps 23:6 וְשַׁבְתִּ֥י בְּבֵית־יְ֝הוָ֗ה
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Rick Brannan, ed., Lexham Research Lexicon of the Hebrew Bible (Lexham Research Lexicons; Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2020).
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