synergy
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Any which way you want to translate it to English, John 8:58 and Ex 3:14 connect together to reveal that Jesus is the OT God who existed before Abraham existed.
All cults vaporize and vanish before the truth of the Bible.
The Doctrine of Divine Simplicity
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All cults vaporize and vanish before the truth of the Bible.
DavidTree
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Genesis chapter 1 = Elohim is a Trinity Elohim = "Let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness"
Exodus chapter 3 = Elohim is a Trinity Elohim= " Elohenu Abraham/Elohenu Isaac/Elohenu Jacob"
GOSPEL = Elohim is a Trinity God = "When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
SAY it 3 Times = ELOHIM is a TRINITY ELOHIM = FATHER/SON/HOLY SPIRIT
e v e
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I never said they were written.
Gods name is four vowels and these per josephus were vocalic, spoke not written.
hebrew is read right to left.
What are your Hebrew credentials?
You still have not addressed this
Jesus is stated to be the one lord, so is the father not lord?
There are no verses in any standard translation which calls Christ small "g" god
Satan not the word is referred to in 2cor 4:4
The lexicons do not support your claim of the word being a god
neither answering my question or posting a recognized lexicon giving a meaning of a god
BTW how many gods do you believe in?
YHWH is the true God. Psalm 110:1 and Matt 22:44 proves 100% Jesus is not YHWH.
The altered translations has God for the word. Altered by satans will to mislead. He had them remove Gods name in over 7000 places and replace it with titles against Gods will. TO MISLEAD.
The Hebrew scholars say its true. Any one can look it up.
You have 2--- Your second line at John 1:1 reads--and God was with God, if the Word is God, how many Gods is that? Small g god is NOT calling that one God. It means--has godlike qualities.
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and you have not addressed
Jesus is stated to be the one lord, so is the father not lord?
There are no verses in any standard translation which calls Christ small "g" god
Satan not the word is referred to in 2cor 4:4
The lexicons do not support your claim of the word being a god
neither answering my question or posting a recognized lexicon giving a meaning of a god
BTW how many gods do you believe in?
Name them
Are you ever going to address this
You still have not addressed this
Jesus is stated to be the one lord, so is the father not lord?
There are no verses in any standard translation which calls Christ small "g" god
Satan not the word is referred to in 2cor 4:4
The lexicons do not support your claim of the word being a god
neither answering my question or posting a recognized lexicon giving a meaning of a god
BTW how many gods do you believe in?
DavidTree
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YHWH is YESHUA
The Holy Scriptures declare it from Genesis to Revelation.
SEE:
Isaiah 45:23 = Phillipians 2:9-11
I have sworn by Myself; The word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, And shall not return, That to Me every knee shall bow, Every tongue shall take an oath.
Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name,
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth,
and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Amen
synergy
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Because Jesus is the Lord God Almighty, I would think.
DavidTree
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How many names/titles are given???
civic
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Yes in revelation chapter 1
synergy
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To Jesus? Dozens of Divine Titles.
civic
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Rev 22:13, “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.”
We can see here that Whoever is the Alpha/Omega also claims to be the first/last AND the beginning/end. It’s the same Person.
If we look back in Rev 1:17-18 we see the following:
“…Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.”
So, the One Who is first/last (and then is also Alpha/Omega and beginning/end) is the same Person who was dead and is alive forever more. It doesn’t take a scholar to figure out Who is the One speaking here. It does take a lot of mental gymnastics to explain away something so obvious.
The term "first/last" is used 4 times in Rev. Twice it is used along with "Alpha/Omega" with the Person claiming to be "first/last" AND the "Alpha/Omega."
"Alpha/Omega" is used 4 times in Rev. Twice with "first/last" and twice with "beginning/end."
"Beginning/end" occurs 3 times: twice with "Alpha/Omega" and once with "Alpha/Omega" AND "first/last."
In all of these texts, the speaker always refers to Himself with both or all of the titles. To say, "Well, this time it's Jehovah who is the first/last, this next time it's Jesus, then later it's Jehovah again..." is the mental gymnastics to which I referred.
Is God the first/last or is Jesus the first/last? Is God the Alpha/Omega or is Jesus the Alpha/Omega? Is God the beginning/end or is Jesus the beginning/end. An obvious way to reconcile the verses is to understand that Jesus is God.
According to unitarians, it seems God claimed to be the first/last in one sense while Jesus claimed to be first/last in another sense. You seem to gloss over the blatant connection of first/last with beginning/end and Alpha/Omega. In each verse, the Speaker who claims one title also claims one or both of the others. It's all the same person.
I usually wait patiently for unitarians to reply but this point has been nagging at me so I have to comment preemptively. I really am baffled by their suggestion from other discussion in the past that “first/last” has some meaning here other than the obvious one (a title synonymous with Alpha/Omega). You even say that Alpha/Omega is never used of the Son? Incredible!! We both have said that context is king so I would like to remind other readers of the context of Rev 1:17-18 (beginning in v.10, Young’s Literal):
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's-day, and I heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, saying, I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last;' and, `What thou dost see, write in a scroll, and send to the seven assemblies that [are] in Asia; to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamos, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.'
And I did turn to see the voice that did speak with me, and having turned, I saw seven golden lamp-stands, and in the midst of the seven lamp-stands, [one] like to a son of man, clothed to the foot, and girt round at the breast with a golden girdle, and his head and hairs white, as if white wool -- as snow, and his eyes as a flame of fire; and his feet like to fine brass, as in a furnace having been fired, and his voice as a sound of many waters, and having in his right hand seven stars, and out of his mouth a sharp two-edged sword is proceeding, and his countenance [is] as the sun shining in its might.
And when I saw him, I did fall at his feet as dead, and he placed his right hand upon me, saying to me, `Be not afraid; I am the First and the Last, and he who is living, and I did become dead, and, lo, I am living to the ages of the ages. Amen! and I have the keys of the hades and of the death.
Do you realize this is one scene? The Speaker identifies Himself in v. 11 as “the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last.” John turns to see who is speaking and sees “one like to a son of man” (other translations have “the Son of man”). Perhaps John is saying, "I saw someone who looked like Jesus." Then finally, in v. 17-18, the Speaker indeed identifies Himself as the One who is living and became dead and is now alive again forever.
Unitarians: I guess you identify the Alpha and Omega in v. 8 as Jehovah and v. 11 as Jesus? I guess you don’t see the term “the First and the Last” as a title equivalent to “the Alpha and Omega”? If so, you are definitely seeing something in the text that an ordinary reading doesn’t see beacuse of your bias.
It’s a title ascribed to the Almighty. I didn’t think it needed a more precise definition to be understood. What about, “the one who is and who was and who to come”? Does that need to be defined? I guess we could talk about a precise definition but I don’t think that will change my point. The Alpha/Omega is self-described as “the Almighty (1:8) AND the First/Last (22:13). The First/Last is self-described as the one who was dead and is alive forever more (1:18). Again, there are either 2 people who are the first and last OR Jesus is the Almighty.
Conclusion: Scripture declares YHWH is the First and the Last and besides Me there is no God/YHWH. Christ is YHWH.
hope this helps !!!
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