The Doctrine of Divine Simplicity

[TomL]

A small remnant of the liitle flock are on earth today, those are the ones who will be changed in the twinkling of an eye during the tribulation.

Not interested in watchtower theology

This is what scripture shows

the text speaks of what is transpiring on earth and Israelites

Revelation 7:1–8 (NASB 2020) — 1 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth so that no wind would blow on the earth, or on the sea, or on any tree. 2 And I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, holding the seal of the living God; and he called out with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, 3 saying, “Do not harm the earth, or the sea, or the trees until we have sealed the bond-servants of our God on their foreheads.” 4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000, sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel: 5 from the tribe of Judah, twelve thousand were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand, from the tribe of Gad twelve thousand, 6 from the tribe of Asher twelve thousand, from the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand, from the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand, 7 from the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand, from the tribe of Levi twelve thousand, from the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand, 8 from the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand, from the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand, and from the tribe of Benjamin, twelve thousand were sealed.

The 144, 000 are on earth. They are Isrealites

 

[Keiw1]

So why is it you cannot address the scriptural evidence?

THE THRONE IS IN HEAVEN

Revelation 4:2;11:19; 14:17

THEY SERVE IN HIS TEMPLE-THE TEMPLE IS IN HEAVEN Rev 11:19; 14:15, 17

THE GREAT MULTITUDE IS CLEARLY SAID TO BE HEAVEN

Revelation 19:1, 6

Once again the watchtower has deceived you

It does not say they are in heaven. Its you twisting it to say that.

 

[Keiw1]

Not interested in watchtower theology

This is what scripture shows

the text speaks of what is transpiring on earth and Israelites

Revelation 7:1–8 (NASB 2020) — 1 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth so that no wind would blow on the earth, or on the sea, or on any tree. 2 And I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, holding the seal of the living God; and he called out with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, 3 saying, “Do not harm the earth, or the sea, or the trees until we have sealed the bond-servants of our God on their foreheads.” 4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000, sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel: 5 from the tribe of Judah, twelve thousand were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand, from the tribe of Gad twelve thousand, 6 from the tribe of Asher twelve thousand, from the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand, from the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand, 7 from the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand, from the tribe of Levi twelve thousand, from the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand, 8 from the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand, from the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand, and from the tribe of Benjamin, twelve thousand were sealed.

The 144, 000 are on earth. They are Isrealites

God will show us all. If you used a real translation with Gods name in place, you would find in Ezekial about 20 x concerning back then and the prophecies for the last days that will occur without fail--They will have to know i am YHVH(Jehovah)-- And everyone on earth will know.

 

[TomL]

God will show us all. If you used a real translation with Gods name in place, you would find in Ezekial about 20 x concerning back then and the prophecies for the last days that will occur without fail--They will have to know i am YHVH(Jehovah)-- And everyone on earth will know.

He did in scripture and Watchtower theology cannot account for it as it reads

Not interested in watchtower theology

This is what scripture shows

the text speaks of what is transpiring on earth and Israelites

Revelation 7:1–8 (NASB 2020) — 1 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth so that no wind would blow on the earth, or on the sea, or on any tree. 2 And I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, holding the seal of the living God; and he called out with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, 3 saying, “Do not harm the earth, or the sea, or the trees until we have sealed the bond-servants of our God on their foreheads.” 4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000, sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel: 5 from the tribe of Judah, twelve thousand were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand, from the tribe of Gad twelve thousand, 6 from the tribe of Asher twelve thousand, from the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand, from the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand, 7 from the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand, from the tribe of Levi twelve thousand, from the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand, 8 from the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand, from the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand, and from the tribe of Benjamin, twelve thousand were sealed.

The 144, 000 are on earth. They are Isrealites

 

[Keiw1]

He did in scripture and Watchtower theology cannot account for it as it reads

Not interested in watchtower theology

This is what scripture shows

the text speaks of what is transpiring on earth and Israelites

Revelation 7:1–8 (NASB 2020) — 1 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth so that no wind would blow on the earth, or on the sea, or on any tree. 2 And I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, holding the seal of the living God; and he called out with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, 3 saying, “Do not harm the earth, or the sea, or the trees until we have sealed the bond-servants of our God on their foreheads.” 4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000, sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel: 5 from the tribe of Judah, twelve thousand were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand, from the tribe of Gad twelve thousand, 6 from the tribe of Asher twelve thousand, from the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand, from the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand, 7 from the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand, from the tribe of Levi twelve thousand, from the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand, 8 from the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand, from the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand, and from the tribe of Benjamin, twelve thousand were sealed.

The 144, 000 are on earth. They are Isrealites

No domestic can explain the deep things of God without being taught by these-Matt 24:45--Jesus leads those, he appointed them to take the lead in his religion and give spiritual food at the proper time. The religions claiming to be Christian are massively confused because they do not have Jesus. One religion has Jesus.

 

[TomL]

It does not say they are in heaven. Its you twisting it to say that.

You still have not addressed the evidence

THE THRONE IS IN HEAVEN

Revelation 4:2

Revelation 4:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.



THEY SERVE IN HIS TEMPLE-THE TEMPLE IS IN HEAVEN Rev 11:19; 14:15, 17

Revelation 11:19 (KJV 1900) — 19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Revelation 14:17 (KJV 1900) — 17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.



THE GREAT MULTITUDE IS CLEARLY SAID TO BE HEAVEN

Revelation 19:1, 6

Revelation 19:1 (KJV 1900) — 1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:

Revelation 19:1 (ESV) — 1 After this I heard what seemed to be the loud voice of a great multitude in heaven, crying out, “Hallelujah! Salvation and glory and power belong to our God,

Revelation 19:1 (UASV) — 1 After these things I heard something like a loud voice of a great multitude in heaven, saying, “Hallelujah! Salvation and glory and power belong to our God,

Revelation 19:6 (KJV 1900) — 6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

Revelation 19:6 (ESV) — 6 Then I heard what seemed to be the voice of a great multitude, like the roar of many waters and like the sound of mighty peals of thunder, crying out, “Hallelujah! For the Lord our God the Almighty reigns.

Revelation 19:6 (UASV) — 6 Then I heard something like the voice of a great multitude, and like the roar of many waters and something like the sound of powerful thunder, saying, “Hallelujah! For the Lord our God, the Almighty reigns.

Better stop listening to the watchtower they are deceiving you.

 

[TomL]

No domestic can explain the deep things of God without being taught by these-Matt 24:45--Jesus leads those, he appointed them to take the lead in his religion and give spiritual food at the proper time. The religions claiming to be Christian are massively confused because they do not have Jesus. One religion has Jesus.

Um it's your watchtower theology which is not capable of addressing those scriptures

the text speaks of what is transpiring on earth and Israelites

Revelation 7:1–8 (NASB 2020) — 1 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth so that no wind would blow on the earth, or on the sea, or on any tree. 2 And I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, holding the seal of the living God; and he called out with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, 3 saying, “Do not harm the earth, or the sea, or the trees until we have sealed the bond-servants of our God on their foreheads.” 4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000, sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel: 5 from the tribe of Judah, twelve thousand were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand, from the tribe of Gad twelve thousand, 6 from the tribe of Asher twelve thousand, from the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand, from the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand, 7 from the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand, from the tribe of Levi twelve thousand, from the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand, 8 from the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand, from the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand, and from the tribe of Benjamin, twelve thousand were sealed.

The 144, 000 are on earth. They are Isrealites

 

[Keiw1]

Um it's your watchtower theology which is not capable of addressing those scriptures

the text speaks of what is transpiring on earth and Israelites

Revelation 7:1–8 (NASB 2020) — 1 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth so that no wind would blow on the earth, or on the sea, or on any tree. 2 And I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, holding the seal of the living God; and he called out with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, 3 saying, “Do not harm the earth, or the sea, or the trees until we have sealed the bond-servants of our God on their foreheads.” 4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000, sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel: 5 from the tribe of Judah, twelve thousand were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand, from the tribe of Gad twelve thousand, 6 from the tribe of Asher twelve thousand, from the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand, from the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand, 7 from the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand, from the tribe of Levi twelve thousand, from the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand, 8 from the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand, from the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand, and from the tribe of Benjamin, twelve thousand were sealed.

The 144, 000 are on earth. They are Isrealites

Lets see which is the narrow gate and which is the broad and spacious path
JW religion= a worldwide brotherhood, unified in love, peace and unity of thought.

hundreds of trinity religions , kill each other in wars of men, hundreds of different truths on matters, segregated churches, etc

Not to hard to see who listened to Jesus.

 

[TomL]

Lets see which is the narrow gate and which is the broad and spacious path
JW religion= a worldwide brotherhood, unified in love, peace and unity of thought.

hundreds of trinity religions , kill each other in wars of men, hundreds of different truths on matters, segregated churches, etc

Not to hard to see who listened to Jesus.

Watchtower propaganda

cannot address

the text which speaks of what is transpiring on earth and Israelites

Revelation 7:1–8 (NASB 2020) — 1 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth so that no wind would blow on the earth, or on the sea, or on any tree. 2 And I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, holding the seal of the living God; and he called out with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, 3 saying, “Do not harm the earth, or the sea, or the trees until we have sealed the bond-servants of our God on their foreheads.” 4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000, sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel: 5 from the tribe of Judah, twelve thousand were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand, from the tribe of Gad twelve thousand, 6 from the tribe of Asher twelve thousand, from the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand, from the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand, 7 from the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand, from the tribe of Levi twelve thousand, from the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand, 8 from the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand, from the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand, and from the tribe of Benjamin, twelve thousand were sealed.

The 144, 000 are on earth. They are Isrealites

 

[Keiw1]

Watchtower propaganda

cannot address

the text which speaks of what is transpiring on earth and Israelites

Revelation 7:1–8 (NASB 2020) — 1 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth so that no wind would blow on the earth, or on the sea, or on any tree. 2 And I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, holding the seal of the living God; and he called out with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, 3 saying, “Do not harm the earth, or the sea, or the trees until we have sealed the bond-servants of our God on their foreheads.” 4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000, sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel: 5 from the tribe of Judah, twelve thousand were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand, from the tribe of Gad twelve thousand, 6 from the tribe of Asher twelve thousand, from the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand, from the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand, 7 from the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand, from the tribe of Levi twelve thousand, from the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand, 8 from the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand, from the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand, and from the tribe of Benjamin, twelve thousand were sealed.

The 144, 000 are on earth. They are Isrealites

No propaganda. The JW religion never said that. I showed the comparison of what is reality.

 

[TomL]

No propaganda. The JW religion never said that. I showed the comparison of what is reality.

Here is the text


Revelation 7:1–8 (NASB 2020) — 1 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth so that no wind would blow on the earth, or on the sea, or on any tree. 2 And I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, holding the seal of the living God; and he called out with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, 3 saying, “Do not harm the earth, or the sea, or the trees until we have sealed the bond-servants of our God on their foreheads.” 4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000, sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel: 5 from the tribe of Judah, twelve thousand were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand, from the tribe of Gad twelve thousand, 6 from the tribe of Asher twelve thousand, from the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand, from the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand, 7 from the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand, from the tribe of Levi twelve thousand, from the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand, 8 from the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand, from the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand, and from the tribe of Benjamin, twelve thousand were sealed.

The 144, 000 are on earth. They are Isrealites

It does not line up with watchtower theology

 

[Keiw1]

Here is the text


Revelation 7:1–8 (NASB 2020) — 1 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth so that no wind would blow on the earth, or on the sea, or on any tree. 2 And I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, holding the seal of the living God; and he called out with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, 3 saying, “Do not harm the earth, or the sea, or the trees until we have sealed the bond-servants of our God on their foreheads.” 4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000, sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel: 5 from the tribe of Judah, twelve thousand were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand, from the tribe of Gad twelve thousand, 6 from the tribe of Asher twelve thousand, from the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand, from the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand, 7 from the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand, from the tribe of Levi twelve thousand, from the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand, 8 from the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand, from the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand, and from the tribe of Benjamin, twelve thousand were sealed.

The 144, 000 are on earth. They are Isrealites

It does not line up with watchtower theology

God will show the world what is reality.

 

[dwight92070]

No domestic can explain the deep things of God without being taught by these-Matt 24:45--Jesus leads those, he appointed them to take the lead in his religion and give spiritual food at the proper time. The religions claiming to be Christian are massively confused because they do not have Jesus. One religion has Jesus.

A true sign of a cult.

 

[TomL]

A true sign of a cult.

Yep he has handed over to the Watchtower his ability to read with understanding

 

[Keiw1]

A true sign of a cult.

Gods view of a cult=A house divided( hundreds of trinity religions) will not stand--- No wonder there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[TomL]

Gods view of a cult=A house divided( hundreds of trinity religions) will not stand--- No wonder there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Actually that will be those who do not honor the son as they honor the Father

John 5:23in order that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. The one who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.

 

[e v e]

Your assuming doesn't make a truth. Obviously you refuse to believe Jesus= Matt 5:5--Blessed are the meek for they will inherit the earth)= The great crowd. Psalm 37:29-The righteous( great crowd) will possess the earth and reside forever upon it--Prov 2:21-22 assures they are not going to heaven.

the earth to be restored there is not this one
where we sadly have been since eviction from
Eden paradise which is our earth and land
which God declared good

 

[e v e]

Actually that will be those who do not honor the son as they honor the Father

John 5:23in order that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. The one who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.

... they are different beings
yet the son being of His nature...

 

[e v e]

All it takes is a simple "look-up" of Abner Kneeland on Wikipedia to see that he was all over the map. First he was a lay preacher in a Baptist church. Soon he converted to Universalism. Later in life he rejected revealed religion and Universalism's Christian God. So he left the Universalism church and started divisions in other churches that he "administered". He made HIS OWN translation of the New Testament. Can you imagine what John 1:1 looks like in Kneeland's "translation"? Has anyone ever heard of the Kneeland New Testament? No? Neither have I. He began to stray far from Christianity and became a "free-thinker" and a "pantheist". He was charged with blasphemy in a Massachusetts court and sentenced to sixty days in jail. The judge called him a "cantankerous and inflexible heretic". After getting out of jail, he started a small utopian community in Iowa, which failed shortly after his death in 1844. So THIS is the "Greek scholar" that Keiw 1 relies on???

to be fair, God does not direct a matrix-earth judge to call a soul a heretic and send him off to jail. and whoever the judge is, don't want to know him.

Also since you cannot find his translation for me or anyone here to read, it's not possible to say anything about that. Just the fact society went against him and he was alone causes me to be more sympathetic to him than to the judge... for that is how it is for souls of God... we are alone and viewed as heretics.

If you have his cv, a document showing he was or was not a greek scholar, that would help.

no I am not JW but that's not relevant to what you posted, which was not logical.

 

[e v e]

Much of Revelation is symbolic. Only Jesus' 1 religion knows its truth.

it's completely literal assuming one knows what is being referred to which no one does.. just check out the clown show of youtube preachers. All adam slaves.