The Discovery of Hidden Mystery Against OSAS
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charismaticlady
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The apostle John used the Semitic writing style of key words. Read the prayer in John 17 down through 19, and again 24 to the end. The key word is "give." The only people the Father "gave" to the Son were the apostles. The key word also showed up in chapter 6 and 10. The only ones that cannot be snatched from the Father's hand were the apostles, except Judas, though the Father predestined him as well knowing his character. It certainly didn't apply to those followers of Jesus who left Him after Jesus spoke of eating his flesh and drinking his blood. The apostles stayed.
Many Christians do not know this.
It is also true in 1 John 1 and 2. The key word is "say." The lie didn't have to do with saying you don't sin, but as in 1 John 2:4 the lie was not keeping the commandments, but "saying" they did. Otherwise, the first part of the second chapter would not be true: "My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin." Also, 1 John 1:9 would not be true either if after being cleansed of ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, you agree and say you are free from sin.
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John 20:30-31 [NASB]
So then, many other signs Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that by believing you may have life in His name.
A book of stories that only apply to apostles, written by the last surviving Apostle after most of the other apostles were already dead … is of little value to “you” and John’s stated goal.
So then, many other signs Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that by believing you may have life in His name.
A book of stories that only apply to apostles, written by the last surviving Apostle after most of the other apostles were already dead … is of little value to “you” and John’s stated goal.
charismaticlady
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No. John 10 itself are written in two, and so is 17. John 17:20-23 are about those who follow Christ based on the apostle's teachings, but the parts before and after were praying specifically about the apostles. And in 10 Jesus preached first to a crowd about being the good Shepherd. But when He and the apostles left and went into the temple, He was at that time speaking to Pharisees about those who were with Him, His apostles. Once you know John's style and can pick up on key words, you can understand more clearly what the writers are saying. The apostles who wrote were "eastern," most of us are "western" and do not catch these nuances.
Here is another. Acts 4:33 says, " 33 And with great power the apostles gave witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And great grace was upon them all." The key word here is "great." In this style it equates power with grace. Grace is the power of God, not unmerited favor as has been taught and perverted in the Church, like just a cover-up of our sins, instead of the power of God to remove all desire to sin out of our nature.
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charismaticlady
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That is a very sad understanding of what I said.
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I'm the same way. Turn it into an actual conversation and ask Him questions and listen hard for His answer. That is true abiding in Jesus and He in you.I’m reminded of a Willie Nelson song: you were always on my mind.
I always tell our men’s group Jesus is always on my mind. I cannot not think of Him no matter how hard I could try. I owe Him my everything and I think about His grace all the time. Call it an “ obsession “.
There was another secular song called addicted to love. Well I’m addicted to Jesus.
So what is your case for John 10 being relevant to only the apostles? Your "hidden mystery". LOL
In John 17 Christ said He is not praying the apostles alone, verse 20 to be exact.
charismaticlady
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Because once you get to chapter 17, you find Jesus' prayers were first about the apostles and then us. The publisher of the Bible I generally user put a heading over paragraphs (multiple verses). But the publisher also made a mistake I caught. When Jesus changed His prayer to also include those who accepted Him because of His apostles' teaching it should have been only about them for three verses, not the rest of the chapter, and then back to being about the apostles. And that is because of the "hidden" LOL key word or phrase I know to be John's style. Once you know the key word or phrase and about whom it narrowed down to, I went back to find where else John used that key word. It was in chapters 6 and 10. The key was those the "Father gave to the Son". Ephesians 1 has the apostles as the only ones who, themselves, are predestined, and the only ones in our New Covenant. However, it might include the other offices in Ephesians 4, if it was actually Jesus who personally gave them, us, the title and manfested the gifts of the Spirit needed for them.
charismaticlady
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Yes, I know. The four verses, 20-21-22-23 are about us who know Jesus through the writings of the apostles. Note, there is no mentioning of the "Father giving" these/us to the Son. But 24 to the end is back about the apostles. This is what the publisher didn't catch, but I did.
I have found three mistakes in the NKJV that I am planning on writing to Thomas Nelson Publishing about. Maybe... Though it will probably be round filed. (waste-basket)
Isaiah 9:6 There should be no comma between Wonderful and Counselor.
John 17 A heading over verse 24 denoting this part is back to about the apostles.
Galatians 5:17 The capital "S" in Spirit, should be a small "s" as it means the same thing as our mind in Romans 7:25. It is the mind of an unsaved person. We are not in the flesh if born again. Anyone doing these things is not born again, Galatians 5:19-21.
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civic
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Some people think everything written in the bible applies to them. Most does not in fact and its a history lesson on how God worked through specific individuals for a specific purpose. Many naively assume its about them when in reality its not. So many things apply to the 12 that do not apply to us.
For example God did supernatural unexplainable miracles through very few like Moses, Elijah, Elisha, Jesus and the Apostles. They were far and few between and were used primarily to authenticate the messenger. Thats why Jesus said an evil and adulteress generation seeks after them.
charismaticlady
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However, the signs and wonders are still part of our new covenant with God. And as you know from the old covenant, nothing ceases within a covenant while it is still in affect, which we know the new covenant won't end until we see Him face to face. I wouldn't have all but two of the gifts and also the new gift/wonder I received a couple years ago regarding being able to see the anointing on sermons, if God took a vacation after the last apostle died. LOL Most Calvinists believe what John Calvin taught that the gifts ceased, thus, the false doctrine of cessationism. God is very much alive and well and still busy. Paul said to the Corinthians to seek the best gifts. That Scripture is for us as much as the Corinthians.
Right, the same prayer applies to us. There is nothing "hidden" that you discovered.
So if you were not given to the Son you are not redeemed then correct?
charismaticlady
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Let's just say, I hope you don't live your life thinking once saved always saved and you can do as you please.
charismaticlady
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How did you find out about Jesus? It was through the writings of the APOSTLES wasn't it? They are who God inspired His gospel to for you to be saved.
Have you been born again of the Spirit? Do you have a personal, and I mean PERSONAL, relationship with Jesus and can carry on a conversation with Him today? That requires listening intently for His voice.
Luke 11:9 “So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 10 For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. 11 If a son asks for bread from any father among you, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish? 12 Or if he asks for an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”
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