praise_yeshua
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John Wesley was very inconsistent throughout his life relative to his changing theological positions. He is a perfect example of why I refuse to name myself after another man. Add the fact that the Scriptures state very clearly that such is carnal.
1Co 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
1Co 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
1Co 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
1Co 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
I want to be very clear. I'm dealing with the lives and doctrines of men involved in the prevalence of Arminianism just like I have with Calvinism. I'm not attempting to "put myself" above any man. I'm not. I just rightfully recognize the weaknesses of all men. As much as I attack Calvinism because it is false, I must do the same with Arminianism. Both are dangerous and come from men that didn't live up to their own teachings.
Wesley, ironic, was very "Calvinist" when referencing his "Aldersgate Experience" (conversion). In fact, Arminians still actually CELEBRATE this event annually on May 24. I mean can you make this "stuff" up?... "Aldersgate Day".....Can we call this "Christmas in May"?
Aldersgate Day is where Wesley was actually "converted". He had already began preaching his "gospel message" (Wesley was already a priest). Wesley is quoted as stating....
"I felt I did trust in Christ, Christ alone, for salvation; and an assurance was given me that he had taken away my sins, even mine, and saved me from the law of sin and death"
Throughout his subsequent "marketing campaign" he preached that "complete sanctification" is obtainable. Though he, himself did not practice such himself. Publicly, Wesley was a different man than privately. In a private letter he bemoaned his condition to his brother but never showed his weaknesses publicly.
In other words he didn't live what he preached. Also, isn't it ironic that he preached "complete sanctification" while the denomination he began has become a cesspool of humanism today.
Wesley wrote in a letter to his brother Charles....and quoted by Stephen Tomkins
"In one of my last [letters] I was saying that I do not feel the wrath of God abiding on me; nor can I believe it does. And yet (this is the mystery), I do not love God. I never did. Therefore I never believed, in the Christian sense of the word. Therefore I am only an honest heathen ... And yet, to be so employed of God! And so hedged in that I can neither get forward nor backward! Surely there was never such an instance before, from the beginning of the world! If I ever have had that faith, it would not be so strange. But I never had any other evidence of the eternal or invisible world than I have now; and that is none at all, unless such as faintly shines from reason's glimmering ray. I have no direct witness (I do not say, that I am a child of God, but) of anything invisible or eternal.
"And yet I dare not preach otherwise than I do, either concerning faith, or love, or justification, or perfection. And yet I find rather an increase than a decrease of zeal for the whole work of God and every part of it. I am borne along, I know not how, that I can't stand still. I want all the world to come to what I do not know." (Quoted in Stephen Tomkins, 2003, John Wesley: A Biography, Eerdmans, p. 168.)
Again. No criticism here. Just being "REAL". I believe the Gospel is best served to make men guilty. All men guilty. Looking and longing for the Return of our Lord who shall change our vile bodies to be fashion perfectly in His likeness.
The dangers of Arminianism is self reliance "in the name of God". Arminians prove it over and over again in their personal lives.
Our message is Righteousness in another. Jesus Christ.
Php 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
John Wesley = “We do not find it expressly affirmed in Scripture, that God imputes the righteousness of Christ to any…” John Wesley “The Works of the Rev. John Wesley” page 350, published by J & J Harper in 1826
1Co 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
1Co 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
1Co 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
1Co 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
I want to be very clear. I'm dealing with the lives and doctrines of men involved in the prevalence of Arminianism just like I have with Calvinism. I'm not attempting to "put myself" above any man. I'm not. I just rightfully recognize the weaknesses of all men. As much as I attack Calvinism because it is false, I must do the same with Arminianism. Both are dangerous and come from men that didn't live up to their own teachings.
Wesley, ironic, was very "Calvinist" when referencing his "Aldersgate Experience" (conversion). In fact, Arminians still actually CELEBRATE this event annually on May 24. I mean can you make this "stuff" up?... "Aldersgate Day".....Can we call this "Christmas in May"?
Aldersgate Day is where Wesley was actually "converted". He had already began preaching his "gospel message" (Wesley was already a priest). Wesley is quoted as stating....
"I felt I did trust in Christ, Christ alone, for salvation; and an assurance was given me that he had taken away my sins, even mine, and saved me from the law of sin and death"
Throughout his subsequent "marketing campaign" he preached that "complete sanctification" is obtainable. Though he, himself did not practice such himself. Publicly, Wesley was a different man than privately. In a private letter he bemoaned his condition to his brother but never showed his weaknesses publicly.
In other words he didn't live what he preached. Also, isn't it ironic that he preached "complete sanctification" while the denomination he began has become a cesspool of humanism today.
Wesley wrote in a letter to his brother Charles....and quoted by Stephen Tomkins
"In one of my last [letters] I was saying that I do not feel the wrath of God abiding on me; nor can I believe it does. And yet (this is the mystery), I do not love God. I never did. Therefore I never believed, in the Christian sense of the word. Therefore I am only an honest heathen ... And yet, to be so employed of God! And so hedged in that I can neither get forward nor backward! Surely there was never such an instance before, from the beginning of the world! If I ever have had that faith, it would not be so strange. But I never had any other evidence of the eternal or invisible world than I have now; and that is none at all, unless such as faintly shines from reason's glimmering ray. I have no direct witness (I do not say, that I am a child of God, but) of anything invisible or eternal.
"And yet I dare not preach otherwise than I do, either concerning faith, or love, or justification, or perfection. And yet I find rather an increase than a decrease of zeal for the whole work of God and every part of it. I am borne along, I know not how, that I can't stand still. I want all the world to come to what I do not know." (Quoted in Stephen Tomkins, 2003, John Wesley: A Biography, Eerdmans, p. 168.)
Again. No criticism here. Just being "REAL". I believe the Gospel is best served to make men guilty. All men guilty. Looking and longing for the Return of our Lord who shall change our vile bodies to be fashion perfectly in His likeness.
The dangers of Arminianism is self reliance "in the name of God". Arminians prove it over and over again in their personal lives.
Our message is Righteousness in another. Jesus Christ.
Php 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
John Wesley = “We do not find it expressly affirmed in Scripture, that God imputes the righteousness of Christ to any…” John Wesley “The Works of the Rev. John Wesley” page 350, published by J & J Harper in 1826
