Starts Now The Deity of Jesus Christ True or False?

[DavidTree]

God could never nor would ever sin.

By your correct analysis JESUS is equal with His FATHER from the fact that JESUS:
a.) never committed sin
b.) sin never had power over Him
c.) HE could not sin because His desire emanated from His Eternal sinless BEING.

Truth Fact Check - Hebrews 4:14-16

Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

 

[Peterlag]

What on earth are the trinity folks thinking...

For anything to be achieved one side has to be able to win and one side has to be able to lose. We would not have a football game if one side could not lose. Jesus could not have redeemed us if he could not sin. He could not be resurrected if he could not die. He could not have walked a sinless life if he could not have been tempted to sin. It would never be fair to have God fix what a man (Adam) broke. Adam and Jesus had to be on equal grounds. What on earth are the trinity folks thinking?

 

[360watt]

What on earth are the trinity folks thinking...

For anything to be achieved one side has to be able to win and one side has to be able to lose. We would not have a football game if one side could not lose. Jesus could not have redeemed us if he could not sin. He could not be resurrected if he could not die. He could not have walked a sinless life if he could not have been tempted to sin. It would never be fair to have God fix what a man (Adam) broke. Adam and Jesus had to be on equal grounds. What on earth are the trinity folks thinking?

How does this relate to scripture itself?

 

[Keiw1]

By your correct analysis JESUS is equal with His FATHER from the fact that JESUS:
a.) never committed sin
b.) sin never had power over Him
c.) HE could not sin because His desire emanated from His Eternal sinless BEING.

Truth Fact Check - Hebrews 4:14-16

Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

Jesus isn't Equal--He said--The Father is Greater than i.

 

[360watt]

Jesus isn't Equal--He said--The Father is Greater than i.

Out of context statement. Jesus ascended to be one with the Father not long afterwards.

The difference, in this passage, is positional, not inferior vs superior.

The passage isn't about inferiority with the Father.

This has been covered before many many times.

 

[Peterlag]

How does this relate to scripture itself?

Jesus had to be able to sin to be like Adam to fix what Adam broke. If Jesus was God. Then He could not sin.

 

[Keiw1]

Out of context statement. Jesus ascended to be one with the Father not long afterwards.

The difference, in this passage, is positional, not inferior vs superior.

The passage isn't about inferiority with the Father.

This has been covered before many many times.

Jesus was one with the Father from the start= in purpose. Living to do his Fathers will over self, just as the true followers do-Matt 7:21, and they become one with them.
Then believe Jesus- John 5:30-He can do 0 of his own initiative.) Its all about the Father to Jesus.

 

[360watt]

Jesus was one with the Father from the start= in purpose. Living to do his Fathers will over self, just as the true followers do-Matt 7:21, and they become one with them.
Then believe Jesus- John 5:30-He can do 0 of his own initiative.) Its all about the Father to Jesus.

Jesus' oneness is something flawed followers of Jesus can't achieve, because He ascended.

 

[DavidTree]

Jesus isn't Equal--He said--The Father is Greater than i.

Absolutely true when the Word that was God left Heaven and emptied Himself to be a man.
As a man on earth, His Father was Greater.

Not hard to understand.

 

[360watt]

Absolutely true when the Word that was God left Heaven and emptied Himself to be a man.
As a man on earth, His Father was Greater.

Not hard to understand.

That is another way to look at it. But there was no point when Jesus wasn't God

 

[Runningman]

They knew He claimed to be God

Jesus never claimed to be God.

 

[Runningman]

I have a few minutes before I must leave.

Jesus Christ was a complex person, 100% man through Mary his mother; and he was 100% God, by the very fact God begotten /conceived him by his power in the womb of Mary his mother without the natural use of a sperm by another man.

Jeremiah 31:22​

“How long wilt thou go about, O thou backsliding daughter? for the LORD hath created a new thing in the earth, A woman shall compass a man.”

Luke 1:34​

“Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.”

His humanity could sin, his deity could not. Yet, the two never worked together in order to live a sinless life, he did so by faith and his love for the truth being God's only begotten Son in the manner in which he was conceived by the power of the God.

The Word, Who is God, joined a human nature in the person of Jesus of Nazareth (John 1:1-3,14) This is the great mystery of godliness ~ God Himself was manifest in the flesh (1st Timothy 3:16).

Jesus Christ is also known as Emmanuel – God with us (Isaiah 7:14 cp. Matthew 1:23). Jesus Christ is the human body and nature indwelt by the fullness of the Godhead (Colossians 2:8,9)

The Deity of Jesus Christ ~ He is truly and fully God ~ Scripture affirms plainly and unequivocally. To reject this is to reject the word of God, and be cast into teh lake of fire, which is the second death. The Word is God without qualification; the Word became Jesus of Nazareth by joining His flesh.

It is another straw man argument of Rome to accuse us of denying the full deity of Jesus Christ, for it is their doctrine of a begotten god that corrupts the Bible message of His full Godhead. We only can say that Jesus Christ’s divine nature is fully Jehovah God without qualification. They must say that His divine nature 1is begotten and generated, yielding a begotten God. Only the ignorant or malicious accuse us of denying the full deity of the Lord Jesus Christ. God is a Spirit. Jesus Christ had a body. Jesus Christ is God, but God is not Jesus Christ.

The humanity of Jesus Christ ~ He is truly and fully man ~ Scripture also unequivocally teaches.

Mary conceived and bore a human child similar to all other mothers (Matthew 1:18-20; Luke 2:23). The only mediator between God and man is the man Christ Jesus (1st Timothy 2:5 cp Job 9:32,33). God assumed flesh and blood to destroy Satan’s work and be our high priest (Hebrews 2:14-17) . Peter stop saying no one has answered your question, it is nothing more than a fallacy you are employing hoping folks will buy into it. Only those deceived like you will.

Jesus was made in the likeness of men after having been in the form of God (Philippians 2:5-11).

The hypostatic union is the combination of God the Word and a human nature in a single Being. God is a Spirit (John 4:24), but a human body was prepared for God to possess (Hebrews 10:5). Neither Christ’s divinity (John 8:58) nor His humanity (Hebrews 4:15) was changed by their union. But He is not fully Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour without His body (Luke 2;12; 24;39).

Again, Jesus of Nazareth is the complex Person of God and man ~ He possesses both complete natures.

This point is very important to properly understand God’s record of His Son Jesus Christ. The attributes of one nature are often ascribed to a name derived from the other nature. Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man, so His Person involves divine and human characteristics. Jesus Christ fully experienced all the aspects of human growth, weakness, and temptation. Jesus Christ, referred to as God, a Spirit, purchased the church with His BLOOD (Acts 20:28). Jesus Christ, the Son of God, DIED (Galatians 2:20). But only His humanity died (1st Timothy 1:17; 6:16). Jesus, the Son of man, was OMNIPRESENT (John 3:13). Only His Deity could be so (Jeremiah 23:24). Jesus, the Son of man, WAS WITH GOD (John 6:62). Only His divinity could be so (John 1:1). Jesus, the Son, is SUBJECT TO GOD (1st Corinthians 15:28). Only His humanity will be subject to God. Jesus, the Son, had a MOTHER NAMED MARY (Matthew 1:21). Mary is "not" the mother of God! Jesus claimed to be BEFORE ABRAHAM (John 8:58). Only His Deity was eternal (Micah 5:2). Jesus grew in WISDOM AND STATURE (Luke 2:52). Only His humanity was ignorant (Colossians 2:3). Jesus slept (Mark 4:38), but only in His humanity; for His Deity could not sleep (Psalm 121:4). Jesus thirsted, ate, and did all the things a human nature does, but which Deity cannot do.

This reads like pure fiction from a Biblical perspective. First of all, the Bible never says Jesus is 100% God and 100% man. So your conclusion about a hypostatic union is not a conclusion that Scripture provides.

The reason Jesus was called the Son of God was because of the way he was conceived, as explicitly stated in Luke 1:34, not because he is God. After that, later on, Peter called Jesus a man who was approved by God in Acts 2:22. In 1 Timothy 2:5, Jesus is called a man who is a mediator between God and man, not a God-Man between God and men. Peoeple only thought of Jesus as a man who is not God in the Bible. So Jesus was a man anointed and empowered by God and God was with Jesus, but Jesus isn't a man who is God because God was with him as Acts 10:3-38 says.

There is no indication that there was anyone known as the Word in the Old Testament saying or doing anything. Rather, the Word as creative, and embodying generally the divine will, is personified in Hebrew poetry (Psalm 33:6; Psalm 107:20; Psalm 147:15; Isaiah 55:10-11); and consequent upon this concrete and independent representation, divine attributes are predicated of it (Psalm 34:4; Isaiah 40:8; Psalm 119:105), so far as it was at the same time the continuous revelation of God in law and prophecy. So the Word is personified in Hebrew poetry, but isn't ever thought to be God, but rather godly. So there is once again no premise for God incarnating.

It also does not really matter how many theological smokecreens you can throw up on the board. The bottom line is you can't even quote a pre-existent Jesus who was saying or doing anythintg in the Old Testament. He didn't exist yet.

 

[Runningman]

Well Peter, you have yet talked to the right person, now you are if you will listen. The Jews were Jesus' most hated enemies, even though a few, a very small remnant among them were the some of the most godly men and women that ever lived. The Jews religion was antichrist through and through. It was a religion base on their own man made commandments. They persecuted the church of God, and wasted it, with Paul being one of their ringleaders until he was apprehended by the Spirit of the Living God.

Peter, that's one of your problems, you are listening to other voices and not following the word of God only.

1st Thessalonians 2:14​

“For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:”

Try following the word of God, it will keep you from being put to shame. But, you seem as though you are much like the Jews, who are without Christ.

Scripture teaches that Jesus is a Jewish man under the law and covenants (Romans 9) so are you saying that Jesus' religion where the only God is the Father is antichrist? Jesus' God is repeatedly called the Father throughout the Bible becasue that's why the only God is for us Christians. We all have the same God as Jesus, just as Jesus taught in John 20:17.

Romans 9:5 also teaches that Jesus isn't God, but rather the one who God blessed. So your argument is not convincing that God allegedly came to earth as a man.

Romans 9
1I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, 2That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. 3For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: 4Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; 5Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

 

[Runningman]

Then we have a problem. A big problem. Because Jesus could have sinned and was tempted to sin. And God cannot sin or even be tempted to sin.

God could never nor would ever sin.

Yes. Very intriguing. God could never sin, it's impossible, but Jesus experienced temptation to contradict God's will. Sounds like God didn't come to earth as a man.

 

[Runningman]

By your correct analysis JESUS is equal with His FATHER from the fact that JESUS:
a.) never committed sin
b.) sin never had power over Him
c.) HE could not sin because His desire emanated from His Eternal sinless BEING.

Truth Fact Check - Hebrews 4:14-16

Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

Since Jesus was tempted to sin then he could have sinned, otherwise he was not tempted to sin.

Means Jesus went through what all people do, but decided not to sin.

Hebrews 4
15For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who was tempted in every way that we are, yet was without sin.

 

[Runningman]

Out of context statement. Jesus ascended to be one with the Father not long afterwards.

The difference, in this passage, is positional, not inferior vs superior.

The passage isn't about inferiority with the Father.

This has been covered before many many times.

Yet there is no record of Jesus having pre-existed at the right hand of God piror to an alleged "God coming to earth as a man" event.

 

[Runningman]

Absolutely true when the Word that was God left Heaven and emptied Himself to be a man.
As a man on earth, His Father was Greater.

Not hard to understand.

Biblical citation needed please.

 

[Peterlag]

Yes. Very intriguing. God could never sin, it's impossible, but Jesus experienced temptation to contradict God's will. Sounds like God didn't come to earth as a man.

Not only was Jesus tempted to sin. But he had to be able to sin. If he were God then there's no contest. Nothing accomplished. It's not a fair fight. You can't have a football game if one side can only win. You can't have a fight with a man and a worm and call it a contest. God does not qualify to be in the fight. And they think it's the other way around.

 

[Peterlag]

The trinity does not come from Scripture...

The trinity comes from the doctrine of devils that the churches teach. And in most cases it's the first thing they teach and then they begin to look for Scripture that supports such a concept. They do this by taking the verses out of context, or not understanding how the words were used in the culture they were written in, or from a bad translation.

There's reasons why the Bible does not teach the trinity in one whole paragraph in a few different places or a whole chapter or two on it. There's reasons why there's no teaching on why God would come to the earth as a man. There's reasons why there was never a debate about the trinity in Scripture like we see with justification by works or who should be circumcised. Such an important subject matter like the trinity and the Bible is silent on all of it.

And there's the spinning and twisting from the trinitarians who can't come up with one verse in the Bible that says we should believe or confess that Jesus is God. Trinitarians who can't come up with one verse that says why God would come to the earth as a man. Trinitarians who have to make up their own words that are not in the Bible. Words like trinity, deity, and incarnated.

If any of this nonsense was true and since it's so important and a huge subject to Christianity and is necessary for salvation like many teach. Then it would have been taught by someone somewhere. And it is not.

 

[DavidTree]

Since Jesus was tempted to sin then he could have sinned, otherwise he was not tempted to sin.

Means Jesus went through what all people do, but decided not to sin.

Hebrews 4
15For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who was tempted in every way that we are, yet was without sin.

The Word was God and the Word became flesh.

When the Word that was God became flesh, God humbled Himself as a man = Philippians 2:5

It was in this capacity, as a man, by which Father God allowed for His God Son to be challenged by the Devil = Matthew 4:1-11