'Sons of God' - because created by God.

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Hello there,

* The term, 'sons of God', (Gen. 6:2, 4; Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7; Dan 3:25 'son of God) refers to angels, because created by God. Adam also is referred to as, 'son of God', because created by God (Luke 3:38).

* The term, 'sons of God' in (John 1:12; Rom. 8:14, 19; Php. 2:15; 1 John 3:1.2) refers to those who are a new creation of God in Christ Jesus, having been born from above.

* The term, 'Son of God', is obviously given to the Lord Jesus Christ, who is God's only Begotten Son. (Matthew 4:3. 6; 8:29; 14:33; 26:63; 27:40,43,54;
Mark1:1; 3:11; 15:39; Luke 1:35; 4:3,9,41; 8:28; 22:70; John 1:34,49; 3:38; 5:25; 9:35; 10:36; 11:4,27; 19:7; 20:31; Acts 8:37; 9:20; Rom. 1:4; 2 Corinthians 1:19; Galatians 2:20; Ephesians 4:13; Hebrews 4:14)

Thank you.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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I have found a thread which has this as it's subject, which may be worth taking into consideration:-

[https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/sons-of-god-because-created-by-god.2470/

 

[101G]

Hello there,

* The term, 'sons of God', (Gen. 6:2, 4; Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7; Dan 3:25 'son of God) refers to angels, because created by God. Adam also is referred to as, 'son of God', because created by God (Luke 3:38).

* The term, 'sons of God' in (John 1:12; Rom. 8:14, 19; Php. 2:15; 1 John 3:1.2) refers to those who are a new creation of God in Christ Jesus, having been born from above.

* The term, 'Son of God', is obviously given to the Lord Jesus Christ, who is God's only Begotten Son. (Matthew 4:3. 6; 8:29; 14:33; 26:63; 27:40,43,54;
Mark1:1; 3:11; 15:39; Luke 1:35; 4:3,9,41; 8:28; 22:70; John 1:34,49; 3:38; 5:25; 9:35; 10:36; 11:4,27; 19:7; 20:31; Acts 8:37; 9:20; Rom. 1:4; 2 Corinthians 1:19; Galatians 2:20; Ephesians 4:13; Hebrews 4:14)

Thank you.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

First thanks for the subject. all who are born again are in Christ Jesus are Sons of God because the Lord Jesus is our brother, Listen and LEARN, Hebrews 2:10 "For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings." Hebrews 2:11 "For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren," Hebrews 2:12 "Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee." Hebrews 2:13 "And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me." Hebrews 2:14 "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;" Hebrews 2:15 "And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage." Hebrews 2:16 "For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham."

we suggest you read the entire chapter.

now, to the subject at hand, ..... the "sons of God before and after the flood". 101G will put this in the next post.

 

[101G]

“The Nephilim, Who was they?”
(The sons of God)​

Foundation Scripture: Genesis 6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

Study Scripture: 2 Samuel 23:8 "These be the names of the mighty men whom David had: The Tachmonite that sat in the seat, chief among the captains; the same was Adino the Eznite: he lift up his spear against eight hundred, whom he slew at one time."

To understand who they, (The Nephilim/Giants were), one need to understand their origins, and where their place was, A. before the flood, and B. after the flood in the scriptures. The scriptures that reveals it all for us before and after the flood is Genesis 6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown”.

The key phrase in the verse is, “the same, (giants), became mighty men”. there is our first step in identifying who these Giants/Nephilim are. these giants/Nephilim became know as "MIGHTY MEN". knowing that, let's zero in on "MIGHTY MEN". the definition, Mighty Men: H1368 גִּבּוֹר gibbowr (ghib-bore') adj, here mean, גִּבֹּר gibbor (ghib-bore') [shortened] 1. powerful. 2. (by implication) a warrior, tyrant. [intensive from the same as H1397]
KJV: champion, chief, X excel, giant, man, mighty (man, one), strong (man), valiant man.

The KJV can translate the Nephilim, the Giants, also as a man, but notice “MIGHTY MAN”, or valiant man. see above
Understand, our term Giant/Nephilim identifies what we’re looking for in this topic setting in two types of mighty men A. “Mighty Men” in valor. B. Mighty Men in Stature. So our first clue tells us to look for “ mighty men” in the bible, either of A. in valor. B. in Stature/Height.

before the flood, we say that the sons of God who had these giants, these Nephilim, these “mighty men” was ordinary men and women, AND NOT ANGELS, (Children of, descendants of Adam and Even when in the Garden)., which is another topic for discussion.

We will prove this by revealing who these giants, these Nephilim, these “mighty men” are after the flood also and then we can understand who they are before the flood and see that they had ordinary human fathers and mothers.
We will look at the two types of Nephilim, according to the bible. the Giants, men in stature and the Mighty Men in valor, whom all had Ordinary parents. Nothing supernatural here.

OUTLINE I.
MIGHTY MEN
Type I. “Mighty Men”, Ordinary men of valor, “A Warrior”.
Type II. “Mighty Men”, Ordinary men in stature, “A Giant”​

Type 1. “Mighty Men”. Ordinary men of valor, “A Warrior”.
Follow the bible. as stated above the Nephilim/giants are the Mighty men. a "Mighty Man" known as a Nephilim dose not always mean in "height" only, but we’re going to look at that also. it can mean a STRONG MAN, a VALIANT MAN, or a WARRIOR in battle. again look at the definition above again to be sure. My source for this definition is from, Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments.

So, lets find these “mighty men”/Nephilim, and trace them back to their origins. don't let the term Nephilim stick in your head only as GIANTS in stature ONLY. The tradition of men has planted this notion in men heads that Nephilim are only giants, but the bible is clear. as our apostle said, leave those old wives, and fairy tales behind, and re-new your mind in the knowledge of Christ.

king David, and some of his men was identified as MIGHTY MEN who killed a lot of other men. (just like Genesis 6:11 "The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.") Let’s catalogue David's mighty men. In 2 Samuel 23:8 read through to the end of the chapter. Two things to notice in 2 Samuel 23. in verse 8 we have the term “Mighty Men” which is the same term used in Genesis 6, here it is again, H1368 גִּבּוֹר gibbowr (ghib-bore') adj. גִּבֹּר gibbor (ghib-bore') [shortened]
1. powerful. 2. (by implication) a warrior, tyrant.
KJV: champion, chief, X excel, giant, man, mighty (man, one), strong (man), valiant man.
Root(s): H1397

The exact same word used in Genesis 6 for giants/Nephilim. also notice 2 Samuel 23:18 "And Abishai, the brother of Joab, the son of Zeruiah, was chief among three. And he lifted up his spear against three hundred, and slew them, and had the name among three.

Here, the "NAME" is the Hebrew word, H8034 שֵׁם shem (shame) n-m.
1. an appellation, as a mark or memorial of individuality.
2. (by implication) honor, authority, character.
[a primitive word (perhaps rather from H7760 through the idea of definite and conspicuous position)]
KJV: + base, (in-)fame(-ous), named(-d), renown, report.
Root(s): H7760

did one see how it could be translated in the KJV? ..... "renown" just as in Genesis 6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown". there it is "renown" and theses men, these “mighty men” had a reputation of being KILLERS of other men. Because another word for “RENOWN” is reputation. Meaning, The condition of being known or talked about by many people. They had reputation of being killers of men, as David was. 1 Samuel 29:5 & 6 "Is not this David, of whom they sang one to another in dances, saying, Saul slew his thousands, and David his ten thousands?". See these men killed, or was killer, or as the definition define them as “Warriors”. That’s why the Lord said in Genesis 6:5 & 6 "And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." 6 "And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart." there was lots of violence, killing, spilling of blood in the Land, (if you think the spilling of Abel blood, just imagine as today on a worldwide scale). hence the reason for the flood. notice these mighty men of David had HUMAN PARENTS, no angels in involved, (remember this is AFTER the flood). In today’s language these men would be recognized as modern day mercenary for their great valor in fighting. So clearly the bible tells us that these type of Mighty Man/Nephilim is associated with violence, the spilling of blood in the land, killers, today we would call them mercenary And David was a MIGHTY MAN himself also, 1 Samuel 16:18 "Then answered one of the servants, and said, Behold, I have seen a son of Jesse the Bethlehemite, that is cunning in playing, and a mighty valiant man, and a man of war, and prudent in matters, and a comely person, and the LORD is with him." and David had human parents. So now we’re going to look at these type II “Mighty men” who are tall in stature, known as GIANTS, and who also have human origins.

this will be in 101G's next post, but first let us discuss this post first.

in MUCH G.L.

101G

 

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First thanks for the subject. all who are born again are in Christ Jesus are Sons of God because the Lord Jesus is our brother, Listen and LEARN, Hebrews 2:10 "For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings." Hebrews 2:11 "For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren," Hebrews 2:12 "Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee." Hebrews 2:13 "And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me." Hebrews 2:14 "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;" Hebrews 2:15 "And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage." Hebrews 2:16 "For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham."

we suggest you read the entire chapter.

now, to the subject at hand, ..... the "sons of God before and after the flood". 101G will put this in the next post.

'For it became Him,
for Whom are all things,
and by Whom are all things,
in bringing many sons unto glory,
to make the captain of their salvation
perfect through sufferings.
.. For both He that sanctifieth
.... and they who are sanctified
...... are all of one:
........ for which cause
.......... He is not ashamed to call them brethren,'
(Heb 2:10-11)

Hello 101G,

The one thing that strikes me about this reading you have supplied, is that it is written to Hebrew believers, who were by natural birth, brethren of Christ, 'in the flesh'. It was to them that He came 'in the flesh', for He came unto His own. The lost sheep of the house of Israel. These are the overcomers of their generation, who acknowledged Him as their Messiah: the 'election' of Romans 11:5-7; the believing remnant of Israel. To them He was their Kinsman Redeemer.

Praise God!

'He came unto His own,
and His own received Him not.
But as many as received Him,
to them gave He power
to become the sons of God,
even to them that believe on His name:
Which were born,
not of blood,
nor of the will of the flesh,
nor of the will of man,
but of God.'
(Joh 1:11-13)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[101G]

The one thing that strikes me about this reading you have supplied, is that it is written to Hebrew believers, who were by natural birth, brethren of Christ, 'in the flesh'. It was to them that He came 'in the flesh', for He came unto His own. The lost sheep of the house of Israel. These are the overcomers of their generation, who acknowledged Him as their Messiah: the 'election' of Romans 11:5-7; the believing remnant of Israel. To them He was their Kinsman Redeemer.

thanks for the reply but it is for all people, scripture, 1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:" 1 John 2:2 "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."

in MUCH G.L.

101G.

 

[101G]

to all,
Understand we have a covenant that is a "HOUSEHOLD". scripture, Ephesians 2:11 "Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;" Ephesians 2:12 "That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:" Ephesians 2:13 "But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ." Ephesians 2:14 "For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;" Ephesians 2:15 "Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;" Ephesians 2:16 "And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:" Ephesians 2:17 "And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh." Ephesians 2:18 "For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father." Ephesians 2:19 "Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;" Ephesians 2:20 "And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;" Ephesians 2:21 "In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:" Ephesians 2:22 "In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit."

God has built a HOUSE... HOLD, called the church. remember, Jeremiah 31:31 "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:" Jeremiah 31:32 "Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:" NOTICE, NOT A "TRIBE" OF ISRAEL, NOR A "TRIBE" OF JUDAH.... BUT A "HOUSE" OF ISRAEL AND JUDAH.
and his HOUSE is of many nations. Mark 11:17 "And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves." as he said, "Is it not written", yes, where, Isaiah 56:7 "Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people." HOW MANY PEOPLE? .... "ALL PEOPLE".

in MUCH G.L.

101G

 

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“The Nephilim, Who was they?”
(The sons of God)​

Foundation Scripture: Genesis 6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

Study Scripture: 2 Samuel 23:8 "These be the names of the mighty men whom David had: The Tachmonite that sat in the seat, chief among the captains; the same was Adino the Eznite: he lift up his spear against eight hundred, whom he slew at one time."

Hello @101G,

The choice to place, these two references together, with their reference to 'mighty men' would suggest that the writer intends his reader to consider the mighty men of 2 Samuel 23:8 to be those mighty men referred to in Genesis 6:4. If that is the case then I must disagree, for the mighty men whom David had were Israelites, and could therefore trace their parentage back to Isaac, for in Isaac would Abraham's seed be called. (see The Tachmonite (Strongs. H8461)

I am going to have to stop a moment for my daughter has arrived.
I will be back to look at the rest later (God Willing).

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[101G]

Hello @101G,

The choice to place, these two references together, with their reference to 'mighty men' would suggest that the writer intends his reader to consider the mighty men of 2 Samuel 23:8 to be those mighty men referred to in Genesis 6:4. If that is the case then I must disagree, for the mighty men whom David had were Israelites, and could therefore trace their parentage back to Isaac, for in Isaac would Abraham's seed be called. (see The Tachmonite (Strongs. H8461)

I am going to have to stop a moment for my daughter has arrived.
I will be back to look at the rest later (God Willing).

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

sure, take your time, but the bible is CLEAR, Genesis 6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

the word of God is not changing.... so take your time. for these, "giants in the earth", was before and after the flood. while you're in company of your daughter, 101G will post the second half of these Giants in the next post.

101G.

 

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“The Nephilim, Who was they?”
(The sons of God)
Type I. “Mighty Men”, Ordinary men of valor, “A Warrior”.
Type II. “Mighty Men”, Ordinary men in stature, “A Giant”​

Type II. “Mighty Men”, Ordinary men in stature, “A Giant”
As previously stated, Nephilim do not mean ONLY “Giants” in stature, but here we will examine the Nephilim in stature, yes Giants, as in height. again, we’ll look at after the flood and see these giants and where they came from. and they all came from the same source, ordinary human men and women, (no angelic involvement at all), in this case, post flood, Noah and his sons. We will start with one of the best know giants in the bible, Goliath, the Philistine of Gath.

These are the names of Noah sons. Genesis 9:18 & 19 "And the sons of Noah, that went forth of the ark, were Shem, and Ham, and Japheth: and Ham is the father of Canaan. 19 "These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread”.

Knowing this, the only people to exist on the entire planet, after the flood, came from these three sons of Noah. no giants came from any other unions but of human men and women, this is bible.

1 Samuel 17:23 "And as he talked with them, behold, there came up the champion, the Philistine of Gath, Goliath by name, out of the armies of the Philistines, and spake according to the same words: and David heard them”. Here the scriptures say that Goliath was a Philistine. And Goliath himself tells us that he is a Philistine. 1 Samuel 17:8 "And he stood and cried unto the armies of Israel, and said unto them, Why are ye come out to set your battle in array? am not I a Philistine, and ye servants to Saul? choose you a man for you, and let him come down to me”. We know without a doubt that Goliath of Gath is a Philistine.

Now the question comes, where did the Philistine come from? Answer, let’s look at the genealogy of Noah sons and trace back to Goliath of Gath who is a Philistine. Genesis 10:6 "And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan”.
One of Ham’s sons were Mizraim. Let’s look at Mizraim sons. Genesis 10:13 "And Mizraim begat Ludim, and Anamim, and Lehabim, and Naphtuhim, 14 "And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (out of whom came Philistim,) and Caphtorim”. As we can see Mizraim had a son name Casluhim which out of him came a people called Philistim.
This is the same exact genealogy out of 1 Chronicles 1:12. Let’s compare them

1 Chronicles 1:12 "And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (of whom came the Philistines,) and Caphthorim”.
Genesis 10:14 "And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (out of whom came Philistim,) and Caphtorim”.
Perfect match, so we know that Philistim in Genesis 10:14 is the Philistines in 1 Chronicles 1:12.
Knowing this, the Philistines came from HAM, one of Noah sons, who had Mizraim, who had Casluhim.

This Giant Goliath came from ordinary men and women NOT FROM ANY ANGELIC UNION WITH HUMAN WOMAN. This Genesis 6 myth is coming apart. in the book of Numbers 13:33 "And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight".

Here we see giants in stature/height the term "Giants"/nephilim is associated with the sons of Anak which can be trace back to HAM. a son of Noah. And if one study the bible these so called Giants was just tall men. For Goliath was around 9ft. And 6 inches. 1 Samuel 17:4 "And there went out a champion out of the camp of the Philistines, named Goliath, of Gath, whose height was six cubits and a span." again see that term champion there. it's the same word used in the description for "MIGHTY MAN", or "Giants"/nephilim in Genesis chapter 6.
H1368 גִּבּוֹר gibbowr (ghib-bore') adj.
גִּבֹּר gibbor (ghib-bore') [shortened]
1. powerful.
2. (by implication) a warrior, tyrant.
[intensive from the same as H1397]
KJV: champion, chief, X excel, giant, man, mighty (man, one), strong (man), valiant man.
Root(s): H1397

bingo, "champion", so again we tie these, "MIGHTY MAN", or "Giants"/nephilim in Genesis chapter 6 BEFORE THE FLOOD to Giants AFTER THE FLOOD

Now, let's do the math on Goliath. a cubits is roughly 18 inches, and a span = roughly 9 inches
Let’s add up Goliath height to be sure. He was six cubits and a span.

1 cubits = 18 inches, which =1ft and 6 inches
2 cubits = 18 inches, which =1ft and 6 inches
3 cubits = 18 inches, which =1ft and 6 inches
4 cubits = 18 inches, which =1ft and 6 inches
5 cubits = 18 inches, which =1ft and 6 inches
6 cubits = 18 inches, which =1ft and 6 inches

That’s a total of 6ft and 36 inches. 36 inches is 3 feet. that makes Goliath 9ft tall. But now we need to add the span which is roughly 9 inches, which means the Philistine of Gath, Goliath was over 9 and a half feet tall. Well the tallest man in modern times was Robert Wadlow who stood in at 8ft and 11 inches, just about 9 feet. If one would look at some of his pictures next to ordinary people you will see why he is called a giant. Goliath would have had only a few inches on him.

These giants throughout the bible is just extra tall men and women. If one just take their time and add up some of these heights one will find that they was just extraordinary tall men, who had the condition in humans called “gigantism”. as was with the famous wrestler Andre the giant. yes, he was called a "GIANT".

So get that Gulliver travels myth out of your head. These was just extra tall men who had ordinary parents who was human. so the sons of God in Genesis chapter 6 was ordinary men, with ordinary parents, who was either, taller than the most men in general, or was men of valor.

The Goliath Tree, HAM, Mizraim, Casluhim, out of whom came Philistim, or the Philistine. that's a HUMAN family tree. again, NO ANGEL INVOLVEMENT.

Many Christian believe in giants, as in stature. But the biggest, or tallest giant or giants in the bible range from 7 feet to 14 feet. We today have people in this range. One of the tallest giants mention in the bible king Og who was 12 to 13 feet tall, when one do the math on him.

there are many examples in the bible, just read your bible and have the Holy Spirit as your teacher, and you will not go wrong.

Type II. again, “Mighty Men”, Ordinary men in stature, “A Giant”​

Let’s look at another known giant by name, Og king of Bashan. Deuteronomy 4:47 "And they possessed his land, and the land of Og king of Bashan, two kings of the Amorites, which were on this side Jordan toward the sunrising”. reading for the blue letter bible,
Og: H5747 עוֹג `Owg (ogue) n/p.
1. "long-necked" 2. Og, a king of Bashan. 3. the Amorite king of Bashan and one of the last representatives of the giants of Rephaim
[probably from H5746]
KJV: Og.

Og was an “Amorite”, so lets see were the Amorite came from?
Gen 10:15 And Canaan begat Sidon his firstborn, and Heth, Gen 10:16 And the Jebusite, and the Amorite, and the Girgasite,

So we see that the Amorite came from the normal man Canaan, one of Noah Grandchildren, from his son Ham. But these Amorite was a race of what the bible calls “giants”. scripture, Amos 2:9 Yet destroyed I the Amorite before them, whose height was like the height of the cedars, and he was strong as the oaks; yet I destroyed his fruit from above, and his roots from beneath. The Amorite was very tall people. They were not the height as cedar trees, which is symbolism for a tall race of people. But they all came from normal ordinary men and women. We have their genealogy right here in the Bible

Lets look at the actual height of these giants. Og, king of Bashan his bed was 9 cubits. How long is a cubit. According to the blue letter bible online, Cubit H520 אַמָּה 'ammah - a measure of distance (the forearm), roughly 18 in (.5m). There are several cubits used in the OT, the cubit of a man or common cubit (Dt 3.11)

So a Cubit is approx 18 inches, meaning 1 foot and 6 inches. And king Og bed was nine cubits. Translate into feet and inches, his bed was 13 feet and 6 inches. remember Og was an “Amorite” keep that in mind.

Let’s look at another giant, or giants. 1Chr 11:22 Benaiah the son of Jehoiada, the son of a valiant man of Kabzeel, who had done many acts; he slew two lionlike men of Moab: also he went down and slew a lion in a pit in a snowy day.
1Chr 11:23 And he slew an Egyptian, a man of great stature, five cubits high; and in the Egyptian's hand was a spear like a weaver's beam; and he went down to him with a staff, and plucked the spear out of the Egyptian's hand, and slew him with his own spear.

This ordinary man, an Israelite who slew this Egyptian, a man of great stature, who was 5 cubit tall.
Conversion, 7’ 6” tall. And this Egyptian's, he had a spear like a weaver's beam. What other famous giant carried this type weapon also. lets see,

1Sam 17:4 And there went out a champion out of the camp of the Philistines, named Goliath, of Gath, whose height was six cubits and a span.
1Sam 17:5 And he had an helmet of brass upon his head, and he was armed with a coat of mail; and the weight of the coat was five thousand shekels of brass.
1Sam 17:6 And he had greaves of brass upon his legs, and a target of brass between his shoulders.
1Sam 17:7 And the staff of his spear was like a weaver's beam; and his spear's head weighed six hundred shekels of iron: and one bearing a shield went before him.

Goliath height was six cubits and a span. We already know what a cubit is so what’s a span.
a unit of measure, approx half-cubit, or the distance from the thumb to the little finger on an outstretched hand. Meaning about 9 inches. So Goliath was 9 feet and 9 inches.

The Egyptian man and Goliath both came from Ham. Let’s see. Gen 10:6 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan. Looking up Mizraim, it’s H4714 מִצרַיִם Mitsrayim (mits-rah'-yim) adj.
Mitsrajim, i.e. Upper and Lower Egypt.
[dual of H4693]
KJV: Egypt, Egyptians, Mizraim

So the Egyptian, as well as Goliath, the Philistines came from the man HAM. Ham carried a genetic disorder call "Gigantism". (Which is for another topic of discussion). and 101G believes this genetic disorder can be traced back to the Garden of Eden ..... before the FALL.

Now let’s look at the most controversial giants in the bible, the sons of Anak. Anak means H6061 עָנָק `Anaq (aw-nawk') n/p. Anak, a Canaanite.. progenitor of a family, or tribe of the giant people in Canaan.

Num 13:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Num 13:2 Send thou men, that they may search the land of Canaan, which I give unto the children of Israel: of every tribe of their fathers shall ye send a man, every one a ruler among them.
Num 13:22 And they ascended by the south, and came unto Hebron; where Ahiman, Sheshai, and Talmai, the children of Anak, were. (Now Hebron was built seven years before Zoan in Egypt.) THIS IS BIBLE SPEAKING.

The children of Anak was in “Hebron”. keep this in mind, Judg 1:10 And Judah went against the Canaanites that dwelt in Hebron: (now the name of Hebron before was Kirjatharba) and they slew Sheshai, and Ahiman, and Talmai. these are the sons of Anak. But here’s the catch. Hebron was knows as Kirjatharba, so who or what is Kirjatharba? 1. city of Arba, or city of the four (giants).Ahiman, Sheshai, and Talmai, the children of Anak, which are the sons of Anak. So Who is “Arba? Scripture, Josh 21:11 "And they gave them the city of Arba the father of Anak, which city is Hebron, in the hill country of Judah, with the suburbs thereof round about it". BINGO.

So the sons of Anak came from the man “Arba” who was a Canaanite. Knowing this, it brings us back to the genealogy list in Gen 10:6 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan.

This is where the Canaanite came from, Canaan, who Arba the father of Anak. THERE IT IS, SIMPLE BIBLE RESEARCH, IN LEAD BY THE HOLY SPIRIT.

Conclusion: there was no supernatural or angelic intervention. all these so-called giants in the bible came from regular people.

in MUCH G.L.

101G.

 

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First thanks for the subject. all who are born again are in Christ Jesus are Sons of God because the Lord Jesus is our brother, Listen and LEARN, Hebrews 2:10 "For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings." Hebrews 2:11 "For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren," Hebrews 2:12 "Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee." Hebrews 2:13 "And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me." Hebrews 2:14 "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;" Hebrews 2:15 "And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage." Hebrews 2:16 "For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham."

we suggest you read the entire chapter.

now, to the subject at hand, ..... the "sons of God before and after the flood". 101G will put this in the next post.

Hello @101G,

We have been placed, 'in' Christ Jesus, by God the Father (1 Cor. 1:30-31), and have receive 'the spirit of sonship' whereby we can call Him 'Father', because we are 'in' Christ. Identified with Him, in His death, burial, quickening, resurrection and ascension to God's right hand. As you have said, 'both He that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one.' Our adoption as 'sons of God' takes place at the resurrection out from among the dead (Rom. 8:23).

Praise His Holy Name!

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[101G]

Hello @101G,

We have been placed, 'in' Christ Jesus, by God the Father (1 Cor. 1:30-31), and have receive 'the spirit of sonship' whereby we can call Him 'Father', because we are 'in' Christ. Identified with Him, in His death, burial, quickening, resurrection and ascension to God's right hand. As you have said, 'both He that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one.' Our adoption as 'sons of God' takes place at the resurrection out from among the dead (Rom. 8:23).

Praise His Holy Name!

In Christ Jesus
Chris

thanks for the reply, but consider this, 2 Corinthians 6:17 "Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you," 2 Corinthians 6:18 "And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty."

now, 101G ask, "Who's your Father?" name and title please.... we suggest before you answer, read 2 Corinthians 6:18 again first, ok, and go back to Isaiah 9:6 for clarity.

in MUCH G.L.

101G

 

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“The Nephilim, Who was they?”
(The sons of God)​

Foundation Scripture: Genesis 6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."​

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Study Scripture: 2 Samuel 23:8 "These be the names of the mighty men whom David had: The Tachmonite that sat in the seat, chief among the captains; the same was Adino the Eznite: he lift up his spear against eight hundred, whom he slew at one time."​

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To understand who they, (The Nephilim/Giants were), one need to understand their origins, and where their place was, A. before the flood, and B. after the flood in the scriptures. The scriptures that reveals it all for us before and after the flood is Genesis 6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown”.​

'There were giants in the earth in those days;
and also after that,
when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men,
and they bare children to them,
the same became mighty men
which were of old, men of renown.'
(Gen 6:4)

Hello @101G,

As I said in reply#8, (quote) 'The choice to place, these two references together, with their reference to 'mighty men' would suggest that the writer intends his reader to consider the mighty men of 2 Samuel 23:8 to be those mighty men referred to in Genesis 6:4. If that is the case then I must disagree, for the mighty men whom David had were Israelites, and could therefore trace their parentage back to Isaac, for in Isaac would Abraham's seed be called. (see The Tachmonite (Strongs. H8461)'

The key phrase in the verse is, “the same, (giants), became mighty men”. there is our first step in identifying who these Giants/Nephilim are. these giants/Nephilim became know as "MIGHTY MEN". knowing that, let's zero in on "MIGHTY MEN". the definition, Mighty Men: H1368 גִּבּוֹר gibbowr (ghib-bore') adj, here mean, גִּבֹּר gibbor (ghib-bore') [shortened] 1. powerful. 2. (by implication) a warrior, tyrant. [intensive from the same as H1397]​

KJV: champion, chief, X excel, giant, man, mighty (man, one), strong (man), valiant man.​

* Just because these, 'giants' who were the offspring of the union between fallen angels and the daughters of Adam, are called, 'mighty men', does not mean that all that are so described elsewhere in Scripture are also such as these. I see by the Strong's (H1368) description that this term is used 159 times in Scripture!

The KJV can translate the Nephilim, the Giants, also as a man, but notice “MIGHTY MAN”, or valiant man. see above​

Understand, our term Giant/Nephilim identifies what we’re looking for in this topic setting in two types of mighty men A. “Mighty Men” in valor. B. Mighty Men in Stature. So our first clue tells us to look for “ mighty men” in the bible, either of A. in valor. B. in Stature/Height.​

* The 'offspring' (Nephelim) are described in this way, yes, but so will mankind generally, who have the same attributes. I believe that if these 'offspring' are found elsewhere in Scripture then the context itself will reveal that, either directly or indirectly, but the term, 'mighty men' (either of valour, or stature) could relate to men who are not of such descent.

before the flood, we say that the sons of God who had these giants, these Nephilim, these “mighty men” was ordinary men and women, AND NOT ANGELS, (Children of, descendants of Adam and Even when in the Garden)., which is another topic for discussion.​

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We will prove this by revealing who these giants, these Nephilim, these “mighty men” are after the flood also and then we can understand who they are before the flood and see that they had ordinary human fathers and mothers.​

We will look at the two types of Nephilim, according to the bible. the Giants, men in stature and the Mighty Men in valor, whom all had Ordinary parents. Nothing supernatural here.​

'And Abram passed through the land
unto the place of Sichem,
unto the plain of Moreh.
And the Canaanite was then in the land.'
(Gen 12:6)

* From the call of Terah and Abraham, Satan knew the line by which "the seed of the woman" (Gen.3:15) was coming into the world. In Genesis 6, he targets the whole human race. Now he targets Abraham and the land. Here is the second explanation of the words, "after that" in (Gen.6:4). He pre-occupies the land. The Canaanite and the Perizzite (these were Nephilim) now occupied it (see also Gen.13:7). The progeny of the later attempt to corrupt the race had to be destroyed by the sword of Israel, as those "in the days of Noah" had been by the Flood.

OUTLINE I.
MIGHTY MEN
Type I. “Mighty Men”, Ordinary men of valor, “A Warrior”.
Type II. “Mighty Men”, Ordinary men in stature, “A Giant”​

Type 1. “Mighty Men”. Ordinary men of valor, “A Warrior”.​

Follow the bible. as stated above the Nephilim/giants are the Mighty men. a "Mighty Man" known as a Nephilim dose not always mean in "height" only, but we’re going to look at that also. it can mean a STRONG MAN, a VALIANT MAN, or a WARRIOR in battle. again look at the definition above again to be sure. My source for this definition is from, Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments.​

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So, lets find these “mighty men”/Nephilim, and trace them back to their origins. don't let the term Nephilim stick in your head only as GIANTS in stature ONLY. The tradition of men has planted this notion in men heads that Nephilim are only giants, but the bible is clear. as our apostle said, leave those old wives, and fairy tales behind, and re-new your mind in the knowledge of Christ.​

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king David, and some of his men was identified as MIGHTY MEN who killed a lot of other men. (just like Genesis 6:11 "The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.") Let’s catalogue David's mighty men. In 2 Samuel 23:8 read through to the end of the chapter. Two things to notice in 2 Samuel 23. in verse 8 we have the term “Mighty Men” which is the same term used in Genesis 6, here it is again, H1368 גִּבּוֹר gibbowr (ghib-bore') adj. גִּבֹּר gibbor (ghib-bore') [shortened]​

1. powerful. 2. (by implication) a warrior, tyrant.​

KJV: champion, chief, X excel, giant, man, mighty (man, one), strong (man), valiant man.​

Root(s): H1397​

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The exact same word used in Genesis 6 for giants/Nephilim. also notice 2 Samuel 23:18 "And Abishai, the brother of Joab, the son of Zeruiah, was chief among three. And he lifted up his spear against three hundred, and slew them, and had the name among three.​

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Here, the "NAME" is the Hebrew word, H8034 שֵׁם shem (shame) n-m.​

1. an appellation, as a mark or memorial of individuality.​

2. (by implication) honor, authority, character.​

[a primitive word (perhaps rather from H7760 through the idea of definite and conspicuous position)]​

KJV: + base, (in-)fame(-ous), named(-d), renown, report.​

Root(s): H7760​

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did one see how it could be translated in the KJV? ..... "renown" just as in Genesis 6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown". there it is "renown" and theses men, these “mighty men” had a reputation of being KILLERS of other men. Because another word for “RENOWN” is reputation. Meaning, The condition of being known or talked about by many people. They had reputation of being killers of men, as David was. 1 Samuel 29:5 & 6 "Is not this David, of whom they sang one to another in dances, saying, Saul slew his thousands, and David his ten thousands?". See these men killed, or was killer, or as the definition define them as “Warriors”. That’s why the Lord said in Genesis 6:5 & 6 "And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." 6 "And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart." there was lots of violence, killing, spilling of blood in the Land, (if you think the spilling of Abel blood, just imagine as today on a worldwide scale). hence the reason for the flood. notice these mighty men of David had HUMAN PARENTS, no angels in involved, (remember this is AFTER the flood). In today’s language these men would be recognized as modern day mercenary for their great valor in fighting. So clearly the bible tells us that these type of Mighty Man/Nephilim is associated with violence, the spilling of blood in the land, killers, today we would call them mercenary And David was a MIGHTY MAN himself also, 1 Samuel 16:18 "Then answered one of the servants, and said, Behold, I have seen a son of Jesse the Bethlehemite, that is cunning in playing, and a mighty valiant man, and a man of war, and prudent in matters, and a comely person, and the LORD is with him." and David had human parents. So now we’re going to look at these type II “Mighty men” who are tall in stature, known as GIANTS, and who also have human origins.​

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this will be in 101G's next post, but first let us discuss this post first.​

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in MUCH G.L.​

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101G

* H1368:- 'gibbor' = 'mighty men', used of:-

Gen. 6:4 = Nephilim
Gen. 10:8 = Nimrod
Gen. 10:17 = God Himself *

Sorry I do not believe that taking a descriptive phrase from Gen 6, which described those of the Nephilim, and searching the Scriptures to find all further usage, will prove anything other than that many others have been so spoken of. even God Himself, as you can see.

Thank you for engaging with me, @101G, but we will not be united in this, for I believe what is written in Genesis 6 concerning these offspring, and their parentage.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[101G]

GINOLJC, To all,
as to the origins of the giants, 101G have a theory that may could help or edify the body of Christ. as most know, "101G has always stated that the Giants in Genesis chapter 6 was from normal human. who was born to Adam and Eve in the Garden before the FALL.

101G would like to make a suggestion as to where these "Giants" came from their source..... as said from ordinary humans. again, this is a THEORY of 101G based on scriptures. so don't hold 101G to this as FACT... ok. let's look at this from a biblical and scientific point of view. 101G will post this in two parts. maybe it is best to copy for study at your leisure.

"Genetic disorder, Gigantism in the Bible?"
Part 1​

A gene mutation is a permanent change in the DNA sequence that makes up a gene. Mutations range in size from a single DNA building block (DNA base) to a large segment of a chromosome.
Gene mutations occur in two ways: they can be inherited from a parent or acquired during a person’s lifetime. Mutations that are passed from parent to child are called hereditary mutations or germline mutations (because they are present in the egg and sperm cells, which are also called germ cells). This type of mutation is present throughout a person’s life in virtually every cell in the body. Mutations that occur only in an egg or sperm cell, or those that occur just after fertilization, are called new (de novo) mutations. De novo mutations may explain genetic disorders in which an affected child has a mutation in every cell, but has no family history of the disorder. Acquired (or somatic) mutations occur in the DNA of individual cells at some time during a person’s life. These changes can be caused by environmental factors such as ultraviolet radiation from the sun, or can occur if a mistake is made as DNA copies itself during cell division. Acquired mutations in somatic cells (cells other than sperm and egg cells) cannot be passed on to the next generation.

Mutations may also occur in a single cell within an early embryo. As all the cells divide during growth and development, the individual will have some cells with the mutation and some cells without the genetic change. This situation is called mosaicism. Some genetic changes are very rare; others are common in the population. Genetic changes that occur in more than 1 percent of the population are called polymorphisms. They are common enough to be considered a normal variation in the DNA. Polymorphisms are responsible for many of the normal differences between people such as eye color, hair color, and blood type. Although many polymorphisms have no negative effects on a person’s health, some of these variations may influence the risk of developing certain disorders.

A genetic disorder is a disease caused by a different form of a gene called a variation, or an alteration of a gene called a mutation. Many diseases have a genetic aspect. Some, including many cancers, are caused by a mutation in a gene or group of genes in a person's cells. These mutations can occur randomly or because of an environmental exposure such as cigarette smoke, or drug use.

Other genetic disorders are inherited. A mutated gene is passed down through a family and each generation of children can inherit the gene that causes the disease. Still other genetic disorders are due to problems with the number of packages of genes called chromosomes. In Down syndrome, for example, there is an extra copy of chromosome 21.

Knowing all of this, what happen when Adam and Eve were devoid of the Spirit? the fall of man?

(The ramification of Sin)​

There was physical fruit outside the garden. for this topic, we will look at the physical fruit, which can have an effect on our physical nature, as well as our spiritual nature/Minds.

The answer to this and many other questions concerning the fruit (physically) outside of the garden lay in the of Science of Melissopalynology, which is the study of pollen contained in honey and, in particular, the pollen's source. (remember this is just a theory to be proven or not). for the command of God was, Genesis 1:28 "And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth." LISTEN CAREFULLY, Genesis 1:29 "And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat." this is a very important command to a. REMEMBER and B. UNDERSTAND. e. after re-reading the fall account, and the original command by God. I have come to differ with some beliefs and understanding at to what happen in the garden as well as outside the garden after the fall. We know that the fall of man was not physical fruit, but spiritual fruit, a LIE. But how, .... in eating physical fruit, (Genesis 1:29 above) in conjunction with spiritual food/ KNOWLEDGE could lead to “evil continually?”. just as Genesis 6:5 states, "And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually”. why?, notice Genesis 6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of "renown”. NOTE this term "renown”, it's very important. the word “Giant” here is the Hebrew word, H5303 נְפִיל nphiyl (nef-eel') n-m.
נְפִל nphil (nef-eel')
(properly) a feller, i.e. a bully or tyrant.

a bully or tyrant?. yes, if a man was taller, or bigger in stature, sometimes the person could become a bully or tyrant by his sheer stature, if not properly train in righteousness. One just might think he’s better than other men and become the town bully. This physical aspect combine with the fallen spiritual nature is what we will examine and try to understand. so, let’s began.

Question, What was the command of God to the man concerning the “TREES” of the garden? Genesis 2:16 "And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat”.

NOTICE the command…. “THOU” shall not eat…. Genesis 2:17 "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." and man did die a. spiritually and b. Physically. we know why spiritually, but now we get to the crust of this subject matter, (on Giants), the Physical aspect that resulted in spiritual disobedience. what do you mean? without Spiritual “GUDIANCE” now man is open to this world factors in this NATURAL LIFE. and his gaining KNOWLEDGE of it and when the woman saw, (understood, the term saw is a conscious choice made), that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. notice the woman saw that the tree (the tree) was good for food, and a tree (the tree) pleasant to the eyes, a tree (the tree) to make one wise, (SELF AWARE). she took of the fruit. question? ... question, what happen …… NOW, that she is self aware she and her husband makes their own decision without God guidance, and wisdom.

again, what actually happen when they ate? "And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons". Their eyes were open. Figurative: The eye of the heart or mind, was now open to suggestions, their own way of .... thinking. notice the natural organ of spiritual perception, (THE MIND), which may be enlightened or opened to many suggestions. and since they were bodily fully functional, meaning mature. this is very important.

NOW the MANIFESTATION of this newly found SELF AWARENESS of the MIND. this is my theory as to the genetic disorder of Gigantism. lets look at a few scriptures with the effects of honey, (a sugar). effect to the eyes/ (mind) 1 Samuel 14:23-29 So the LORD saved Israel that day: and the battle passed over unto Bethaven. 24 And the men of Israel were distressed that day: for Saul had adjured the people, saying, Cursed be the man that eateth any food until evening, that I may be avenged on mine enemies. So none of the people tasted any food. 25 And all they of the land came to a wood; and there was honey upon the ground. 26 And when the people were come into the wood, behold, the honey dropped; but no man put his hand to his mouth: for the people feared the oath. 27 But Jonathan heard not when his father charged the people with the oath: wherefore he put forth the end of the rod that was in his hand, and dipped it in an honeycomb, and put his hand to his mouth; and his eyes were enlightened. 28 Then answered one of the people, and said, Thy father straitly charged the people with an oath, saying, Cursed be the man that eateth any food this day. And the people were faint. 29 Then said Jonathan, My father hath troubled the land: see, I pray you, how mine eyes have been enlightened, because I tasted a little of this honey”. Read all of 1 Samuel chapter 14, it good reading. But what happen to Jonathan his spirit and health? he was revived. so the eating of the food, (the Honey, a type of sugar) had an effect on him both physically and spiritually.
Here the Hebrew term for “Enlightened” is H215 אוֹר 'owr (ore) v.
1. to be luminous.
2. (causative) to make luminous.
{literally and metaphorically}
[a primitive root]
KJV: X break of day, glorious, kindle, (be, en-, give, show) light (-en, -ened), set on fire, shine.

NOTICE how the KJV can translate the word “enlightened” set on fire. remember in the definition, the word can be used {literally and metaphorically} well metaphorically speaking as said in the scriptures, “Jonathan his spirit and health was revived”. “My father hath troubled the land: see, I pray you, how mine eyes have been enlightened, because I tasted a little of this honey” So the eating of the food, here, (the Honey, sugar) had an effect on him both physically and spiritually. but here is the revelation to the use of the term “SET ON FIRE” used metaphorically, 2. To do wonderful or exciting things that cause a great or remarkable sensation; to be extremely popular, famous, renowned. …. WHAT! renowned? Where have we seen this word at before? answer in the scriptures that describe the “GIANTS” of Genesis 6. Genesis 6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." BINGO, there is our connection to a type of fruit, or food that was eaten. this term “Set on Fire” used metaphorically can be found at The Free Dictionary online, here is the link,
Set on fire - Idioms by The Free Dictionary

Now this is interesting indeed, about HONEY. in reference to two more men. The Lord Jesus, Scripture, Isaiah 7:15 "Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good”, (read that again). here is now John, the Baptist, Matthew 3:4 "And the same John had his raiment of camel's hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey”. wild honey? NOTE in terms used, , milk and wild honey? Because butter is from milk. remember the scripture, "A land flowing with “milk and honey”. now, note this, Ephesians 1:18 "The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, 19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power”. here we have both milk and honey, physically, and Spiritually in "ENLIGHTMENT". is this just a coincident?

the "eyes of the heart,"/mind as a means of knowledge. Knowledge and understanding = to make one wise, just as Eve was to believe, but without God Guidance and wisdom. Revelation 10:9 & 10 "And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey. 10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter”. this is the Gospel, the true food/fruit of God.

Now back to the physical honey, and 101G's theory. what lead me to research this area of Melissopalynology? God promised his people a land flowing with milk and honey. Was this physical in NATURE ONLY? raw or wild honey, (unprocessed), has an effect both spiritually and physically? we know today that because of the natural presence of botulism endospores in honey, children under one year of age should not be given honey. The more developed digestive systems of older children and adults generally destroy the spores. Infants, however, can contract botulism from honey. Clostridium botulinum is a rod-shaped microorganism. It is an obligate anaerobe, meaning that oxygen is poisonous to the cells. However, they tolerate very small traces of oxygen due to the enzyme called superoxide dismutase (SOD) which is an important antioxidant defense in nearly all cells exposed to oxygen. Under unfavorable circumstances they are able to form endospores that allow them to survive in a dormant state until exposed to conditions that can support their growth. It is an anaerobic spore-former, which produces oval, subterminal endos

Now the reason why I went this way of study is because of what was made in a statement I had hear, concerning genetic defect in the reproduction system of Adam and Eve having Cain and Able. this is what made me study the effects of honey on the human body in the infant stage. Adam and Eve, I believe that they was genetically pure just as new borne baby today. and that's the reason why I believe that God gave the command not to eat, not as a prohibition, not as a law, but as a protection command until their bodies build up an immunity to different kinds of bacteria and maybe others viruses that could have been present in the soil, now via the trees .... OUTSIDE THE GARDEN. why soil?, remember God made Adam from soil outside the garden and not from the soil from inside the garden. what does this remind you of. when a person from one part of the world goes to another part the world, or country, generally we receive shot to protect us from certain strains of bacteria that our bodies might not have immunity against. Adam was transferred or put in the garden. moved from outside to inside of the garden. genesis see chapter 2. was the bio, or eco system status comparable with the man? I don’t know. but after the FALL man was exspell or driven out of the garden and now eating of the trees outside OF THE GARDEN OF EDEN. (SEE THE NEXT POST PART II)

101G.

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thanks for the reply, but consider this, 2 Corinthians 6:17 "Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you," 2 Corinthians 6:18 "And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty."​

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now, 101G ask, "Who's your Father?" name and title please.... we suggest before you answer, read 2 Corinthians 6:18 again first, ok, and go back to Isaiah 9:6 for clarity.​

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in MUCH G.L.​

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101G​

' Wherefore come out from among them,
and be ye separate, saith the Lord,
and touch not the unclean thing;
and I will receive you,
And will be a Father unto you,
and ye shall be my sons and daughters,
saith the Lord Almighty.'
(2 Cor. 6:17-18)

Hello @101G.

2 Cor. 6:17-18 is a quotation from Isaiah 52:11.

My Father in the flesh was Lewis Lloyd, a Welsh man, and a miner by trade: but I have been given the spirit of sonship, whereby I can call the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, my Father too, because I have been saved by His grace, through faith in His only Begotten Son, and my Saviour, Christ Jesus, now risen and glorified, and seated at God's right hand.

Praise His Holy Name!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[101G]

"Genetic disorder, Gigantism in the Bible?"
Part 2​

This now bring us to our subject of Giants. “GIGANTISM” Gigantism, also known as giantism (from Greek γίγας gigas, "giant", plural γίγαντες gigantes), is a condition characterized by excessive growth and height significantly above average. In humans, this condition is caused by over-production of growth hormone in childhood resulting in people between 7 feet (2.13 m) and 9 feet (2.75 m) in height.

What Causes Gigantism? A pituitary gland tumor is almost always the cause of gigantism. The pea-sized pituitary gland is located at the base of your brain. It makes hormones that control many functions in your body. Some tasks managed by the gland include:
temperature control
sexual development
growth
metabolism
urine production
When a tumor grows on the pituitary gland, the gland makes far more growth hormone than the body needs.

Recognizing the Signs of Gigantism
If your child has gigantism, you may notice that they’re much larger than other children of the same age. Also, some parts of the body may be larger in proportion to other parts. Common symptoms include:
very large hands and feet
thick toes and fingers
a prominent jaw and forehead
coarse facial features

Children with gigantism may also have flat noses and large heads, lips, or tongues. The symptoms your child has may depend on the size of the pituitary gland tumor. As the tumor grows, it may press on nerves in the brain. Many people experience headaches, vision problems, or nausea from tumors. Other symptoms of gigantism may include: excessive sweating, severe or recurrent headaches, weakness, insomnia and other sleep disorders and deafness.

Conclusion: the eating of Honey, (RAW HONEY), by an undeveloped digestive system, I.E. a baby can cause this genetic disorder of over growth. just as today. if a woman is pregnant the doctor will tell her not to drink alcohol, and or not to take certain prescribe drugs when Pregent. just as Samson mother was told by the angel, “not to drink strong drink”. so, different food while pregnant can affect one baby, and it's development. and in this case once expelled from the garden and now on their own. Adam and Eve, and their offspring from the Garden are now at risk at many of diseases, and sickness that are in the NATURAL WORLD without God protection... via his wisdom.

so, with the term of being “set on fire”, metaphorically speaking, in "ENLIGHTMENT" .... connect us to the eating habits, .... made the connection for me to the “GIANTS” in the land by ordinary men and women. so, with this THEORY, there is no angelic involvement at all.

101G.

 

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@Complete,

“The Nephilim, Who was they?”
(The sons of God)
Type I. “Mighty Men”, Ordinary men of valor, “A Warrior”.
Type II. “Mighty Men”, Ordinary men in stature, “A Giant”​

Type II. “Mighty Men”, Ordinary men in stature, “A Giant”​

As previously stated, Nephilim do not mean ONLY “Giants” in stature, but here we will examine the Nephilim in stature, yes Giants, as in height. again, we’ll look at after the flood and see these giants and where they came from. and they all came from the same source, ordinary human men and women, (no angelic involvement at all), in this case, post flood, Noah and his sons. We will start with one of the best know giants in the bible, Goliath, the Philistine of Gath.​

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These are the names of Noah sons. Genesis 9:18 & 19 "And the sons of Noah, that went forth of the ark, were Shem, and Ham, and Japheth: and Ham is the father of Canaan. 19 "These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread”.​

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Knowing this, the only people to exist on the entire planet, after the flood, came from these three sons of Noah. no giants came from any other unions but of human men and women, this is bible.​

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1 Samuel 17:23 "And as he talked with them, behold, there came up the champion, the Philistine of Gath, Goliath by name, out of the armies of the Philistines, and spake according to the same words: and David heard them”. Here the scriptures say that Goliath was a Philistine. And Goliath himself tells us that he is a Philistine. 1 Samuel 17:8 "And he stood and cried unto the armies of Israel, and said unto them, Why are ye come out to set your battle in array? am not I a Philistine, and ye servants to Saul? choose you a man for you, and let him come down to me”. We know without a doubt that Goliath of Gath is a Philistine.​

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Now the question comes, where did the Philistine come from? Answer, let’s look at the genealogy of Noah sons and trace back to Goliath of Gath who is a Philistine. Genesis 10:6 "And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan”.​

One of Ham’s sons were Mizraim. Let’s look at Mizraim sons. Genesis 10:13 "And Mizraim begat Ludim, and Anamim, and Lehabim, and Naphtuhim, 14 "And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (out of whom came Philistim,) and Caphtorim”. As we can see Mizraim had a son name Casluhim which out of him came a people called Philistim.​

This is the same exact genealogy out of 1 Chronicles 1:12. Let’s compare them​

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1 Chronicles 1:12 "And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (of whom came the Philistines,) and Caphthorim”.​

Genesis 10:14 "And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (out of whom came Philistim,) and Caphtorim”.​

Perfect match, so we know that Philistim in Genesis 10:14 is the Philistines in 1 Chronicles 1:12.​

Knowing this, the Philistines came from HAM, one of Noah sons, who had Mizraim, who had Casluhim.​

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This Giant Goliath came from ordinary men and women NOT FROM ANY ANGELIC UNION WITH HUMAN WOMAN. This Genesis 6 myth is coming apart. in the book of Numbers 13:33 "And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight".​

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Here we see giants in stature/height the term "Giants"/nephilim is associated with the sons of Anak which can be trace back to HAM. a son of Noah. And if one study the bible these so called Giants was just tall men. For Goliath was around 9ft. And 6 inches. 1 Samuel 17:4 "And there went out a champion out of the camp of the Philistines, named Goliath, of Gath, whose height was six cubits and a span." again see that term champion there. it's the same word used in the description for "MIGHTY MAN", or "Giants"/nephilim in Genesis chapter 6.​

H1368 גִּבּוֹר gibbowr (ghib-bore') adj.​

גִּבֹּר gibbor (ghib-bore') [shortened]​

1. powerful.​

2. (by implication) a warrior, tyrant.​

[intensive from the same as H1397]​

KJV: champion, chief, X excel, giant, man, mighty (man, one), strong (man), valiant man.​

Root(s): H1397​

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bingo, "champion", so again we tie these, "MIGHTY MAN", or "Giants"/nephilim in Genesis chapter 6 BEFORE THE FLOOD to Giants AFTER THE FLOOD​

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Now, let's do the math on Goliath. a cubits is roughly 18 inches, and a span = roughly 9 inches​

Let’s add up Goliath height to be sure. He was six cubits and a span.​

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1 cubits = 18 inches, which =1ft and 6 inches​

2 cubits = 18 inches, which =1ft and 6 inches​

3 cubits = 18 inches, which =1ft and 6 inches​

4 cubits = 18 inches, which =1ft and 6 inches​

5 cubits = 18 inches, which =1ft and 6 inches​

6 cubits = 18 inches, which =1ft and 6 inches​

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That’s a total of 6ft and 36 inches. 36 inches is 3 feet. that makes Goliath 9ft tall. But now we need to add the span which is roughly 9 inches, which means the Philistine of Gath, Goliath was over 9 and a half feet tall. Well the tallest man in modern times was Robert Wadlow who stood in at 8ft and 11 inches, just about 9 feet. If one would look at some of his pictures next to ordinary people you will see why he is called a giant. Goliath would have had only a few inches on him.​

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These giants throughout the bible is just extra tall men and women. If one just take their time and add up some of these heights one will find that they was just extraordinary tall men, who had the condition in humans called “gigantism”. as was with the famous wrestler Andre the giant. yes, he was called a "GIANT".​

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So get that Gulliver travels myth out of your head. These was just extra tall men who had ordinary parents who was human. so the sons of God in Genesis chapter 6 was ordinary men, with ordinary parents, who was either, taller than the most men in general, or was men of valor.​

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The Goliath Tree, HAM, Mizraim, Casluhim, out of whom came Philistim, or the Philistine. that's a HUMAN family tree. again, NO ANGEL INVOLVEMENT.​

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Many Christian believe in giants, as in stature. But the biggest, or tallest giant or giants in the bible range from 7 feet to 14 feet. We today have people in this range. One of the tallest giants mention in the bible king Og who was 12 to 13 feet tall, when one do the math on him.​

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there are many examples in the bible, just read your bible and have the Holy Spirit as your teacher, and you will not go wrong.​

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Type II. again, “Mighty Men”, Ordinary men in stature, “A Giant”​

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Let’s look at another known giant by name, Og king of Bashan. Deuteronomy 4:47 "And they possessed his land, and the land of Og king of Bashan, two kings of the Amorites, which were on this side Jordan toward the sunrising”. reading for the blue letter bible,​

Og: H5747 עוֹג `Owg (ogue) n/p.​

1. "long-necked" 2. Og, a king of Bashan. 3. the Amorite king of Bashan and one of the last representatives of the giants of Rephaim​

[probably from H5746]​

KJV: Og.​

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Og was an “Amorite”, so lets see were the Amorite came from?​

Gen 10:15 And Canaan begat Sidon his firstborn, and Heth, Gen 10:16 And the Jebusite, and the Amorite, and the Girgasite,​

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So we see that the Amorite came from the normal man Canaan, one of Noah Grandchildren, from his son Ham. But these Amorite was a race of what the bible calls “giants”. scripture, Amos 2:9 Yet destroyed I the Amorite before them, whose height was like the height of the cedars, and he was strong as the oaks; yet I destroyed his fruit from above, and his roots from beneath. The Amorite was very tall people. They were not the height as cedar trees, which is symbolism for a tall race of people. But they all came from normal ordinary men and women. We have their genealogy right here in the Bible​

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Lets look at the actual height of these giants. Og, king of Bashan his bed was 9 cubits. How long is a cubit. According to the blue letter bible online, Cubit H520 אַמָּה 'ammah - a measure of distance (the forearm), roughly 18 in (.5m). There are several cubits used in the OT, the cubit of a man or common cubit (Dt 3.11)​

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So a Cubit is approx 18 inches, meaning 1 foot and 6 inches. And king Og bed was nine cubits. Translate into feet and inches, his bed was 13 feet and 6 inches. remember Og was an “Amorite” keep that in mind.​

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Let’s look at another giant, or giants. 1Chr 11:22 Benaiah the son of Jehoiada, the son of a valiant man of Kabzeel, who had done many acts; he slew two lionlike men of Moab: also he went down and slew a lion in a pit in a snowy day.​

1Chr 11:23 And he slew an Egyptian, a man of great stature, five cubits high; and in the Egyptian's hand was a spear like a weaver's beam; and he went down to him with a staff, and plucked the spear out of the Egyptian's hand, and slew him with his own spear.​

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This ordinary man, an Israelite who slew this Egyptian, a man of great stature, who was 5 cubit tall.​

Conversion, 7’ 6” tall. And this Egyptian's, he had a spear like a weaver's beam. What other famous giant carried this type weapon also. lets see,​

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1Sam 17:4 And there went out a champion out of the camp of the Philistines, named Goliath, of Gath, whose height was six cubits and a span.​

1Sam 17:5 And he had an helmet of brass upon his head, and he was armed with a coat of mail; and the weight of the coat was five thousand shekels of brass.​

1Sam 17:6 And he had greaves of brass upon his legs, and a target of brass between his shoulders.​

1Sam 17:7 And the staff of his spear was like a weaver's beam; and his spear's head weighed six hundred shekels of iron: and one bearing a shield went before him.​

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Goliath height was six cubits and a span. We already know what a cubit is so what’s a span.​

a unit of measure, approx half-cubit, or the distance from the thumb to the little finger on an outstretched hand. Meaning about 9 inches. So Goliath was 9 feet and 9 inches.​

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The Egyptian man and Goliath both came from Ham. Let’s see. Gen 10:6 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan. Looking up Mizraim, it’s H4714 מִצרַיִם Mitsrayim (mits-rah'-yim) adj.​

Mitsrajim, i.e. Upper and Lower Egypt.​

[dual of H4693]​

KJV: Egypt, Egyptians, Mizraim​

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So the Egyptian, as well as Goliath, the Philistines came from the man HAM. Ham carried a genetic disorder call "Gigantism". (Which is for another topic of discussion). and 101G believes this genetic disorder can be traced back to the Garden of Eden ..... before the FALL.​

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Now let’s look at the most controversial giants in the bible, the sons of Anak. Anak means H6061 עָנָק `Anaq (aw-nawk') n/p. Anak, a Canaanite.. progenitor of a family, or tribe of the giant people in Canaan.​

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Num 13:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,​

Num 13:2 Send thou men, that they may search the land of Canaan, which I give unto the children of Israel: of every tribe of their fathers shall ye send a man, every one a ruler among them.​

Num 13:22 And they ascended by the south, and came unto Hebron; where Ahiman, Sheshai, and Talmai, the children of Anak, were. (Now Hebron was built seven years before Zoan in Egypt.) THIS IS BIBLE SPEAKING.​

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The children of Anak was in “Hebron”. keep this in mind, Judg 1:10 And Judah went against the Canaanites that dwelt in Hebron: (now the name of Hebron before was Kirjatharba) and they slew Sheshai, and Ahiman, and Talmai. these are the sons of Anak. But here’s the catch. Hebron was knows as Kirjatharba, so who or what is Kirjatharba? 1. city of Arba, or city of the four (giants).Ahiman, Sheshai, and Talmai, the children of Anak, which are the sons of Anak. So Who is “Arba? Scripture, Josh 21:11 "And they gave them the city of Arba the father of Anak, which city is Hebron, in the hill country of Judah, with the suburbs thereof round about it". BINGO.​

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So the sons of Anak came from the man “Arba” who was a Canaanite. Knowing this, it brings us back to the genealogy list in Gen 10:6 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan.​

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This is where the Canaanite came from, Canaan, who Arba the father of Anak. THERE IT IS, SIMPLE BIBLE RESEARCH, IN LEAD BY THE HOLY SPIRIT.​

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Conclusion: there was no supernatural or angelic intervention. all these so-called giants in the bible came from regular people.​

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in MUCH G.L.​

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101G.​

The Sons of God in Gen. 6:2, 4. - Appendix to the Companion Bible

The Nephilim, or Giants of Gen. 6, &c. - Appendix to the Companion Bible

Noah Perfect. (Gen. 6:9). - Appendix to the Companion Bible

Hello @101G,

The links (above) are the only response I can make to your entries. They cover the subjects:- 'sons of God', 'The Nephilim,' and 'Noah perfect in his generation', for though I have made a personal study of these things, I have not kept a record of my findings, and to go through it again is not something I wish to do at present. The links echo my own thoughts exactly, on the subjects we have been considering. I thank you for the time and effort you have made to make your deductions known. Though I cannot share your conclusions.

Within the love of Christ our Saviour
our Lord and Head.
Chris

 

[101G]

The Sons of God in Gen. 6:2, 4. - Appendix to the Companion Bible

The Nephilim, or Giants of Gen. 6, &c. - Appendix to the Companion Bible

Noah Perfect. (Gen. 6:9). - Appendix to the Companion Bible

Hello @101G,

The links (above) are the only response I can make to your entries. They cover the subjects:- 'sons of God', 'The Nephilim,' and 'Noah perfect in his generation', for though I have made a personal study of these things, I have not kept a record of my findings, and to go through it again is not something I wish to do at present. The links echo my own thoughts exactly, on the subjects we have been considering. I thank you for the time and effort you have made to make your deductions known. Though I cannot share your conclusions.

Within the love of Christ our Saviour
our Lord and Head.
Chris

thanks for the Links but 101G cannot agree with their finding. but one thing is sure, Adan was a son of God, scripture, in the "CHRIST" genealogy, Luke 3:38 "Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God." and Adam was HUMAN. so sons of God is always referred to humans and not angels.

but thanks for the links ... will read them more later on.

in MUCH G.L.

101G.

 

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thanks for the Links but 101G cannot agree with their finding. but one thing is sure, Adan was a son of God, scripture, in the "CHRIST" genealogy, Luke 3:38 "Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God." and Adam was HUMAN. so sons of God is always referred to humans and not angels.

but thanks for the links ... will read them more later on.

in MUCH G.L.

101G.

Thou art worthy, O Lord,
to receive glory and honour and power:
for Thou hast created all things,
and for Thy pleasure they are and were created.'
(Rev 4:11)

Hello again, @101G,

Adam was called a 'son' of God in the genealogy of our Lord, in Luke 3:38, for God created him. as He created the angels, and all things.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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to all,​

Understand we have a covenant that is a "HOUSEHOLD". scripture, Ephesians 2:11 "Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;" Ephesians 2:12 "That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:" Ephesians 2:13 "But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ." Ephesians 2:14 "For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;" Ephesians 2:15 "Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;" Ephesians 2:16 "And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:" Ephesians 2:17 "And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh." Ephesians 2:18 "For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father." Ephesians 2:19 "Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;" Ephesians 2:20 "And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;" Ephesians 2:21 "In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:" Ephesians 2:22 "In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit."​

'Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners,
but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;'
(Eph 2:19)

Hello @101G,

Wonderful isn't it.

God has built a HOUSE... HOLD, called the church. remember, Jeremiah 31:31 "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:" Jeremiah 31:32 "Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:" NOTICE, NOT A "TRIBE" OF ISRAEL, NOR A "TRIBE" OF JUDAH.... BUT A "HOUSE" OF ISRAEL AND JUDAH.​

and his HOUSE is of many nations. Mark 11:17 "And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves." as he said, "Is it not written", yes, where, Isaiah 56:7 "Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people." HOW MANY PEOPLE? .... "ALL PEOPLE".​

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in MUCH G.L.​

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101G​

* We who were far off Gentiles, are, in Christ Jesus, part now of the household of God.

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Chris