All Claims of The Son's Deity

Peterlag said:
The Jews would not have considered Jesus a threat, but insane...

if he had walked around saying he was God. But it was a threat for Jesus to claim to be the Messiah of God and also walk around doing miracles. Jesus had not been claiming to be God in the flesh and this is why the Jews never asked him at his trial if he was God in the flesh, but instead they asked him about what he had been claiming to be, which was the Messiah. Mark 14:61-62 records the High Priest asking “Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?"And Jesus said "I am.” The High Priest tore his garments and said he deserved to be put to death when Jesus stated he was the Messiah. So we see that the Jews correctly assessed that Jesus had been claiming to be the Christ, and that Jesus indeed said he was the Christ, and also that the Jews thought his claim was worthy of the death penalty.
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This is the part from Mark 14:62 that you left out:

and ye shall see the Son of Man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.


This refers back to what is taught in Daniel where Jesus, being the Son of Man, is the proper recipient of 'pelach'.

This demonstrates He is God.
 
Fred said:
This is the part from Mark 14:62 that you left out:

and ye shall see the Son of Man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.


This refers back to what is taught in Daniel where Jesus, being the Son of Man, is the proper recipient of 'pelach'.

This demonstrates He is God.
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How does the son of man (not God) come in the clouds make him God?
 
Peterlag said:
How does the son of man (not God) come in the clouds make him God?
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1. The Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of pelach (Daniel 7:14).
2. Prayer (Daniel 6:10) is a component of pelach (Daniel 6:16).
3. This means the Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of prayer.


And since prayer is due unto God alone demonstrates the Lord Jesus is God.
 
Fred said:
1. The Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of pelach (Daniel 7:14).
2. Prayer (Daniel 6:10) is a component of pelach (Daniel 6:16).
3. This means the Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of prayer.


And since prayer is due unto God alone demonstrates the Lord Jesus is God.
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How does a prophet in Daniel prophesying of the coming of Jesus make Jesus God?
 
TomL said:
Only God is to be prayed to
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There's no verse in the New Testament that pertains to Christians that says only God can be prayed to. If there were your Bible would fall apart. You have to make stuff up like this that is not in the Bible to construct your "own God" which is the product of your own human reasoning process, speculations and assumptions. Nothing more.
 
Peterlag said:
There's no verse in the New Testament that pertains to Christians that says only God can be prayed to. If there were your Bible would fall apart. You have to make stuff up like this that is not in the Bible to construct your "own God" which is the product of your own human reasoning process, speculations and assumptions. Nothing more.
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Is praying to an idol or a false god a sin ? Yes or no

Is worshipping an idol or false god a sin ? Yes or no
 
civic said:
Is praying to an idol or a false god a sin ? Yes or no

Is worshipping an idol or false god a sin ? Yes or no
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Jesus Christ is not an idol. Jesus is the son of God, the Messiah to Israel, and the now resurrected Lord Christ to the Christian who sits at the right hand of God as second in command and is the head of the Church that is called the body of Christ.
 
Peterlag said:
Jesus Christ is not an idol. Jesus is the son of God, the Messiah to Israel, and the now resurrected Lord Christ to the Christian who sits at the right hand of God as second in command and is the head of the Church that is called the body of Christ.
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I asked 2 simple yes or no questions once you answer them I will respond accordingly
 
civic said:
I asked 2 simple yes or no questions once you answer them I will respond accordingly
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Is praying to an idol or a false god a sin ? Yes or no

Is worshipping an idol or false god a sin ? Yes or no

I don't know what sins are. I see in the New Testament that Christians don't sin when in the spirit of Christ. So for me they were not simple questions.
 
It's as easy as A B C

1. Jesus has two natures — He is God and man.
2. Each nature is full and complete — He is fully God and fully man.
3. Each nature remains distinct.

Jesus... fully God, Fully Man... The God Man

For to us a Child is born, to us a Son is given; and the government shall be upon His shoulder, and His name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father [of Eternity], Prince of Peace. Of the increase of His government and of peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David and over his kingdom, to establish it and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from the [latter] time forth, even forevermore. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.
Isaiah 9:6–7

A. The first truth we need to understand is that Jesus is one Person who has two natures: a divine nature and a human nature. In other words, Jesus is both God and man.

The Bible teaches that Jesus is not merely someone who is a lot like God, or someone who has a very close walk with God. Rather, Jesus is the Most High God himself. Titus 2:13 says that as Christians we are “looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus.” Upon seeing the resurrected Christ, Thomas cried out, “My Lord and my God!” (John 20:28). Likewise, the book of Hebrews gives us God the Father’s direct testimony about Christ: “But of the Son he says, ‘Your throne, O God, is forever and ever" and the gospel of John calls Jesus “the only begotten God” (John 1:18).

Another way the Bible teaches that Jesus is God is by showing that he has all of the attributes of God. He knows everything (Matthew 16:21; Luke 11:17; John 4:29), is everywhere (Matthew 18:20; 28:20; Acts 18:10), has all power (Matthew 8:26–27; 28:18; John 11:38–44; Luke 7:14–15; Revelation 1:8), depends on nothing outside of himself for life (John 1:4; 14:6; 8:58), rules over everything (Matthew 28:18; Revelation 1:5; 19:16;), never began to exist and never will cease to exist (John 1:1; 8:58), and is our Creator (Colossians 1:16). In other words, everything that God is, Jesus is. For Jesus is God.
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B. It should be obvious that if Jesus is God, then he has always been God. There was never a time when he became God, for God is eternal. But Jesus has not always been man. The fantastic miracle is that this eternal God became man through the incarnation approximately 2,000 years ago. That’s what the Incarnation was: God the Son becoming man. And that is the great event we celebrate at Christmas.

But what exactly do we mean when we say that God the Son became man? We certainly do not mean that he turned into a man in the sense that he stopped being God and started being man. Jesus did not give up any of his divinity in the incarnation, as is evident from the verses we saw earlier. Rather, as one early theologian put it, “Remaining what he was, he became what he was not.” Christ “was not now God minus some elements of his deity, but God plus all that he had made his own by taking manhood to himself.” Thus, Jesus did not give up any of his divine attributes at the incarnation. He remained in full possession of all of them. For if he were to ever give up any of his divine attributes, he would cease being God.
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C. For most people it is obvious that Jesus will be God forever. But for some reason it escapes a lot of us that Jesus will also be man forever.

He is still man right now as you read this and will be forever. The Bible is clear that Jesus rose physically from the dead in the same body that had died (Luke 24:39) and then ascended into heaven as a man in his physical body (Acts 1:9; Luke 24:50–51). It would make no sense for him to have done this if he was simply going to ditch his body and stop being man when he arrived in heaven.

That Christ continued being man with a physical body after his ascension is confirmed by the fact that when he returns, it will be as a man in his body. He will return physically. Philippians 3:21 says that at his second coming, Christ “will transform the body of our humble state into conformity with the body of his glory.” This verse is clear that Jesus still has his body. It is a glorified body, which Paul calls, “the body of his glory.” And when Christ returns, he will still have it because this verse says that he will transform our bodies to be like his. Both Jesus and all Christians will then continue living together in their bodies forever, because the resurrection body cannot die (1 Corinthians 15:42) since it is eternal (2 Corinthians 5:1).
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Peterlag said:
There's no verse in the New Testament that pertains to Christians that says only God can be prayed to. If there were your Bible would fall apart. You have to make stuff up like this that is not in the Bible to construct your "own God" which is the product of your own human reasoning process, speculations and assumptions. Nothing more.
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Care to justify prayer to any other?
 

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