God created them with free will. With the instruction to obey, and the ability to do so. But clearly they were also created with the ability to disobey, according to the Lusts of their own flesh,
with the ability to do so as well.
Your philosophies completely contradict the Christ's Very own Words. Jesus said, "Nothing from without defiles a man". But the preachers of this world's religions teaches anyone who will listen,
"ONLY" those things from without, defile a man.
I am simply pointing out that our "flesh", like Eve's Flesh,
is the adversary, is the beginning of all Evil, is "Deceitful above all things". I said, but you ignore, an island where no man lives, has God's Spirit there feeding the birds and His Creation. There is no Evil that exists or can exist there, until a Fleshy mortal Human with free will to "Walk after the Spirit", or "walk after the Flesh" arrives. And when it "Walks after the Flesh" it is the devil, in my understanding.
Is. 14:
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Every time a man rejects God's Laws and Commandments, starting with Adam and Eve, this is what they do
"from within their heart".
You are free to blame something from without, like Eve and Adam did, as all who walk in the flesh will do. But I am pointing out that Jesus doesn't teach the same Philosophy.
Over the last few years, through study, I have come to understand there is much more to the Parables of God than a red little man with horns and a tail, causing the fall of God's Perfect Creation,
free of indwelling sin, of any sinful lust.
But when a man reads what is actually written, the ability to walk in the lust of the Flesh is part of having free will, and both Adam and Eve had it even before they were placed in the garden. If this were not true, then there would be no reason for God
to give them Law in the first place. And God saw it, and said it was Good.
There is something Holy and Righteous about "Choosing God's Word" over the lusts, desires and wants of the human flesh men are born with. Having "Free Will" surrounded by millions of people, is a great responsibility. And it all starts with our thoughts, without which nothing would happen.
For me, I have free will, but I have come to understand that I am not "learned" enough to "live by" it. So I defer and "Yield myself" to God and HIS Will, as Jesus did, and Paul did.
Adam and Eve, as examples for our admonition, chose the broad path walked by many, who "profess to know God, but "Live after the Flesh".
I think this is the message God wants His People to receive. There is a reason He talks in Parables.
I understand how important it is to you to get your digs in, it's just another lust of the flesh. I suffer from the same lusts.
I understand how you and Civic and Copeland, and others don't believe Jesus came in the Flesh. And you don't believe HE had His own Will. And you don't believe He fought against His own Flesh, as all other humans. That He overcame because HE had powers that He and His Father
withheld from all other humans, and when the going got tough for Him, HE just kicked in God powers no other human was allowed to have, and overcame sin and temptation by this power.
How demeaning and "Anti-Christ" to promote such a philosophy. Nevertheless, I am surrounded by voices that promote exactly that.
It is not a "SIN" to have a wicked thought, or fleshy desire. It is a sin to dwell on the wicked thought, feed it, grow it until it is conceived.
Greek for Conceived.
To seize, to apprehend, to conceive, to assist.
Jam. 1:
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 "Then" when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
The thought to eat of the forbidden tree that came from within, was not the Sin. It was when she dropped God's Word and seized it, that was Sin.
And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise,
These are the Lusts of her own Flesh, not from without, but from within, being "Conceived" instead of fought against.
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she took of the fruit thereof", and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
You want to blame a talking snake, or a dragon that fell from the sky. So did Eve. But if it was truly a voice from without, then why did God punish her? And why does the Jesus "of the bible" teach the opposite concerning what defiles a man?
What does it mean, "Wilderness"? Shall God not test Jesus like HE tests other men? What next Red? Will you be selling the flesh of Jesus to eat, and His Blood to drink? Or do you believe that was "Symbolic" of something else?
Eve left her first estate, and fell into chains of darkness. Was alive, but by her own choices, "Chose" "Death in trespasses and sins".
Paul said of the Body of Christ, after being quickened, renewed in the Spirit of their mind, that if they walk after the Flesh, they will perish.
Rom. 8:
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye "through the Spirit" do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
How can "another voice" from without, trigger a Lust that doesn't exist?
So then, in your religion, the Flesh and satan are two complete separate adversaries?
But only satan,
from without, can defile a person?
I don't belive that is what God wants me to understand about my flesh.
So then, in your religion, in Jesus' entire life, HE was only temped 3 times, after a 40 day and 40 night fast by a talking snake in some wilderness near Jerusalem? Was it the same "Wilderness" John taught in?
Doesn't the God of the bible teach that the Heart/Flesh is deceitful above all things? I can tell you though reason of use, that when things are going good for me, I'm fed and reading my bible, that I don't encounter as many evil thoughts. But when stuff happens, crops fail, stuff breaks, bills are hard to pay, I stub my toe, my flesh kicks in big time.
Is there a spirit that causes this pressure during weakness? No doubt there is. But like Jesus said, whatever it is, spirit, Flesh, or both,
it comes from within. Because HE said:
Matt. 15: 18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
19 For out of the heart proceed "evil thoughts", murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.
You don't believe this, but I believe the Parable of Adam and Eve confirm it perfectly.
Your preaching that Jesus didn't battle against a human Flesh is anti-Christ, in my view. It is a popular teaching, meant to demean Him as a fraud, placing burdens on others HE Himself didn't lift with even one finger.
I think it is a fleshy teaching, used by Fleshy men to justify their carnal religious philosophies founded by the imaginations of their own hearts.
I truly wish you would consider.
It is important to me, for me, to give the reasons for my faith.
Consider IS. 14:
16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, "Is this the man" that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; 17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one "in his own house".
19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
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thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:"
20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, "and slain thy people": the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.
When I came to the knowledge, I saw clearly that "I" was my own adversary. That "MY THOUGHTS", the selfish desires of my Flesh, the precious treasures of "my heart",
brought me into ruin. My Flesh, that I trusted, nearly destroyed my whole family God gave to me. Nearly destroyed my life. It wasn't something from without, it was my own flesh, that I placed my trust in, that nearly destroyed me, and did destroy many men that I came to know.
The Flesh of men destroys it's own people who trust in it.
I can "See this now", and I have actually thought, "Is this the demon that almost destroyed me and my family"? And I can see plainly, that it was me, my Flesh who
"said in my heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
I will trust my own mind/flesh to guide my footsteps.
I hope you might consider Red.
and were choked in the sea. And they that fed the swine fled, and told it in the city, and in the country. And they went out to see what it was that was done. And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid. And they that saw it told them how it befell to him that was possessed with the devil, and also concerning the swine."
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