Satan and his Lies

[Eternally-Grateful]

The "casting down" occurred once. Since then, the angels that sinned have been locked up.
Stop giving glory to Satan.
In Luke Jesus said, "I saw Satan as lightning fall."

Peter said:

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
2 Peter 2:4.

Either the angels that sinned are locked up awaiting judgment of Peter is lying under the anointing and power of the Holy Spirit.

It says, "reserved unto judgment." Revelation 12:7 is not the judgment.

You give glory to Satan. That's disgusting.

they were cast to the earth

Not locked up..

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Is this true?

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
2 Peter 2:3–4.

The angels that sinned were cast down to hell.
They were delivered into chains of darkness.
They are reserved unto judgment.

Is there any Scripture that says they rose from hell?
Or that they escaped their chains of darkness?
Or that they are no longer reserved unto judgment but are free upon the world?

No.
No.
No.

God's elect and chosen to salvation people have already been judged on the cross of Christ. They are "Not Guilty!" of sin against God.
Those God did not elect or chosen for salvation are "already condemned" and there is no way to change that condition. They will be born, have already been born, and will die without Christ because Jesus said they are "already condemned."

When God places judgment upon someone they are either already atoned or already condemned.
Man can do nothing to alter their eternal condition of already saved or already condemned.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:18.

8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. John 16:7–11.

There are only two items here: sin and righteousness.
Both have been judged.
We are not born into the world as sinners, become born-again, and then we are righteous.
We are born into the world either in sin or in righteousness. There is no crossing over from one to the other, at least this is from God's eternal perspective. He sees one or the other.
From our perspective we are born into the world as sinner but from God's perspective we are righteous.
We live in sin but at the appointed time become born-again and are made righteous, but God has always seen us as righteous.
Others are born into the world as sinners, never become born-again, and die as sinners.

There is no need for the angels that sinned to be interacting with mankind. This is why God locked them up in chains of darkness reserved unto judgment. When everything is said and done then comes the judgment and the carrying out of sentences/punishments.

this group of angels are the group that coincides with the nephelim.

satan and his army of demons is very active in the world today, deceiving nations and people

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

According to Isaiah, Peter, and Jude, the angels that sinned are already 'locked up' awaiting judgment.
The grammar indicates past tense.

again, this is the angels who sinned in genesis.

Not all of the angels where included.

Jesus told peter. Satan asked permission to sift you..

Cant be locked up if he can sift someone.

We are also told satan accuses us daily. And jesus stands as our mediator.

 

[civic]

I don't follow or adopt the philosophies of the promoters of this world's religious system. I have no clue what this preacher you have studied teaches. My understanding comes from Study of the Scriptures, apart from the influence, as much as possible, of the "many" preachers who come in Christ's Name in the world God placed me in. I understand how popular the religious tradition is of adopting one or more of the religious views of this world's religions. And now you are trying to saddle me with the same tradition or parroting the philosophies of some preacher you know about.

But I don't partake of this tradition, and don't know about, nor have I studied the religious opinions of Calvin, Copeland, Warren or any the promoters of this world's religious system.

I am happy to discuss Scriptures with you or anyone, but I have no interest in parroting or promoting the philosophies of the many various and ever changing world's religions. Please don't assume that because you have chosen to study the philosophies of all these other voices, that I practice the same tradition. I don't Red.

I thank you in advance for your acceptance of this truth.





According to Scriptures, the Jesus "of the Bible" was a flesh and blood human, "Tempted in all ways" as other humans.

James 1 says;
13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:14 But "every man" (This would, of course, include the man Jesus) is tempted, when he is drawn away "of his own lust", and enticed. 15 "Then" when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Jesus Himself said of Himself,

John 7: 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do "mine own will", but the will of him that sent me.

So Jesus Himself said HE, as a human, had a will, as all humans do. A free Will. Would this not be His Flesh, since HE was tempted in all ways as other men? Isn't it written that HE "learned obedience"? What did David say of Him?

"Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore (Because of this) God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

To "Love" or to "Hate" is a choice humans make from their heart/mind. Eve hated righteousness and loved wickedness. She "walked in the Flesh". Jesus "walked in the Spirit".

Jesus told me that what comes from without cannot defile a man, but what comes from within. Surely HE should know, shall I not then trust Him?

17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught? 18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and "they defile the man". 19 For out of the heart proceed "evil thoughts", murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: 20 "These are the things" which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

So clearly Eve, a perfect human being, created after the image of God, "LUSTED" from the heart, adversarial thoughts, concerning God's commandments. A voice "from outside her mind" couldn't defile her. What defiles her "came from within". She "Blamed" it on something "without", as did Adam. But according to what is actually written, their flesh had lust, and they were drawn away "of their own lust".

In contrast, Jesus was also tempted in His Weak moments. Surely HE was hungry, and it is perfectly reasonable for a flesh and blood man to consider his own power to satisfy his hungry flesh. But Jesus knew it wasn't the Spirit of God that enticed Him to turn stones into food, because God doesn't tempt man. He knew it was His Own Flesh, the adversary.

Jesus didn't walk in the Flesh, like Eve, or in my understanding, allow HIS deeds to be controlled by His Flesh, but by the Spirit of God. As HE tells me:

John 4: 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: "and they that worship him" must worship him in spirit and in truth.

John 6: 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; "the flesh profiteth nothing": the words that I speak unto you, "they are spirit", and "they are life".

As Paul teaches, "I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind "I myself serve the law of God"; (Spirit) but with the flesh the law of sin." (death, a dead flesh cannot guide a man footsteps)) And you can read how Jesus responded to the voice within. He ruled over His Flesh by the Spirit of God, His Flesh didn't rule over Him.

Paul understood this.

Eph. 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. (Is this not from "within"?)

We are the Temple of God, Yes? What does that mean? It is in our MIND that the temple of God exists, nit in muscle or bones. It is the adversarial thoughts all humans, with free will, are instructed to have "Dominion over" or as God told Cain, to "Rule over". It is written:

"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have "dominion over" the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

The most deceitful, subtle and desperately wicked beast of all, that we are to have dominion over, is the Flesh (Heart) of man.

There is so much more to this, but this is a good place to start a study.

According to what is written in the Oracles of God, it was the Flesh of Jesus who enticed Him to take matters in His Own Hands, and HE ruled over His Human Flesh by the Spirit of God.

I am instructed to live by the Same Words.

I'll address your other questions in another post.

Who tempted Jesus 3 times in the wilderness?

I’ll get the popcorn ready .

 

[Studyman]

You did, along with Tony Warren and his followers.
Even and Adam, were created upright after the image of God, with wisdom, knowledge and understanding.....and with a free will

Neither angels or man were created immutable, that attribute only God possess.

He beguile her just as the scriptures testify. Are you mocking the word of God? Again, man does not possess immutability.
She and and Adam suffered the just consequences of their disobedience, and we through being in Adam as our head and representative ~ death, both physical and the second death, unless mercy is showed to a person. God put a curse upon the serpent, as you should know.

Talking about subtle insults!

These things are true, but what do they have to do with proving Satan is not a fallen spirit, the enemy of all righteousness? Not one thing. (Only we would never call Satan our evil flesh, thoughts, deeds, etc.)

That's right. You would never consider your flesh or the flesh of man, or the thoughts of man, or the deeds of man, or anything that comes from within you, as the enemy of God, the enemy of all righteousness. Neither did the Pharisees. Neither did Jim Bakker or countless other self proclaimed "Ministers of Righteousness".

This is why I left your religion. Because God said the heart of man is deceitful above "ALL THINGS", and desperately wicked. But Red Baker says, no. It's not the Flesh/mind of man that is deceitful above all things it's an invisible talking snake from "without" that is deceitful above all things..

Because in your religion, it's only those things from without, that defiles a man, not from within.

We as Christian are commanded to mortify the deeds of the flesh, but we are commanded to RESIST Satan and he will FLEE from us...our flesh will always be with us, impossible for it to flee form us.

What a deceitful philosophy. The adversary is our flesh Red, our own thoughts. You wouldn't know anything about "mortifying the deeds of your flesh", because if you did, you would understand what it means to "Overcome" a fleshy, satanic (Adversarial) desire, thought or lust. To have deceptions and traditions of man exposed and crucified. To be "Renewed in the spirit of our mind".

Rom. 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it "in the lusts thereof".

What in the world do you teach this means, if not "Resisting the devil?"

This is the heart of Calvinism. That the talking snake flees, but never the sin because the two are not connected. God chooses men by some secret hidden "Holy Lottery". That men can never "mortify the deeds of the Flesh" because it is impossible not to sin, or "Rule over your own flesh". But it is possible to chase an invisible talking snake away.

I outright reject such evil nonsense, because by study of Scriptures, I know it isn't true.

What does mortify even mean? " to view as a corpse, i.e. without life; to regard (but not "make") as dead, inoperative; to mortify, deprive of life or energizing power; (figuratively) to cut off (sever) everything that energizes (especially sin in Col

"He that stole, let him steal no more". Is stealing a "work of the devil" or the "work of the flesh"? When the devil flees, does it ever come back? If a thief stops stealing, does the thought to steal ever come back? And when it does, are we not to resist it?

James 4:7
“Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.”

Just as he did with Christ! We are not to live in such a way as to not give place for Satan in our life.

James 4: 7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

How are the "works of the Flesh", and the "Works of the devil", not the same, according to Scriptures? How is mortifying the works of the flesh, or fleeing the works of the devil, different?

1 John 3: 7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8 He that committeth sin (Works of the Flesh) "is of the devil"; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Gal. 5: 19 Now the "works of the flesh" (He who committeth sin) are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

I know you will not be persuaded to go against your adopted religious philosophy. But for those reading along, how are the "works of the flesh" and the "works of the devil" not the same, according to what is actually written in Scriptures.

Ephesians 4:27​

“Neither give place to the devil.”

Your custom of only quoting "part" of God's Word is popular, even as far back as Eve. But it isn't edifying. Here, lets post more of the message in search of the truth of the message.

Eph. 4: 23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;

24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.

Is "lying" not a work of the Flesh that we are to mortify? Is it not also a "Work of the devil" that we are to flee?

What are you preaching here Red? That lying as a fleshy lust is acceptable to God, but lying as a result of satan's possession is not?

26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:

27 Neither give place to the devil. 28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

How is giving place to the carnal flesh, or giving place to the devil, two different things? It isn't, only in the hearts of men is such a wickedness distinction found.

Sin allows the devil a place in our walk with God

But the works of the Flesh are, " Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like.

How can the "devil" exist in our walk with God, without the Carnal Flesh?

as to give him an opportunity to cause us to bring shame to the name of Jesus Christ that we profess to believe in.

How does the works of the Flesh, "Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like.", not bring shame to the name of Jesus Christ?

If one lives in sins, then he is OF the devil, a child of his! you quoted the verse above.

But if I walk in the Flesh, I am a servant of my flesh and live in "Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like.".

If I am a child of the devil, I am a servant of the devil and live in "Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like".

How can a man walk in his carnal flesh, and NOT be "OF the devil? How can I be "of the devil" if I'm not walking in my carnal flesh?

I know you are not allowed by your master to honestly engage or answer these questions. But for those reading along, what is the difference between the carnal flesh and the devil?

 

[Studyman]

Who tempted Jesus 3 times in the wilderness?

I’ll get the popcorn ready .

If you were interested in an actual discussion about what it means to have free will, I would engage with you Civic. But clearly all this is just a joke to you. I have already answered this question, according to Scriptures. So I respectfully decline to engage in your question.

 

[civic]

That's right. You would never consider your flesh or the flesh of man, or the thoughts of man, or the deeds of man, or anything that comes from within you, as the enemy of God, the enemy of all righteousness. Neither did the Pharisees. Neither did Jim Bakker or countless other self proclaimed "Ministers of Righteousness".

This is why I left your religion. Because God said the heart of man is deceitful above "ALL THINGS", and desperately wicked. But Red Baker says, no. It's not the Flesh/mind of man that is deceitful above all things it's an invisible talking snake from "without" that is deceitful above all things..

Because in your religion, it's only those things from without, that defiles a man, not from within.



What a deceitful philosophy. The adversary is our flesh Red, our own thoughts. You wouldn't know anything about "mortifying the deeds of your flesh", because if you did, you would understand what it means to "Overcome" a fleshy, satanic (Adversarial) desire, thought or lust. To have deceptions and traditions of man exposed and crucified. To be "Renewed in the spirit of our mind".

Rom. 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it "in the lusts thereof".

What in the world do you teach this means, if not "Resisting the devil?"

This is the heart of Calvinism. That the talking snake flees, but never the sin because the two are not connected. God chooses men by some secret hidden "Holy Lottery". That men can never "mortify the deeds of the Flesh" because it is impossible not to sin, or "Rule over your own flesh". But it is possible to chase an invisible talking snake away.

I outright reject such evil nonsense, because by study of Scriptures, I know it isn't true.

What does mortify even mean? " to view as a corpse, i.e. without life; to regard (but not "make") as dead, inoperative; to mortify, deprive of life or energizing power; (figuratively) to cut off (sever) everything that energizes (especially sin in Col

"He that stole, let him steal no more". Is stealing a "work of the devil" or the "work of the flesh"? When the devil flees, does it ever come back? If a thief stops stealing, does the thought to steal ever come back? And when it does, are we not to resist it?



James 4: 7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

How are the "works of the Flesh", and the "Works of the devil", not the same, according to Scriptures? How is mortifying the works of the flesh, or fleeing the works of the devil, different?

1 John 3: 7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8 He that committeth sin (Works of the Flesh) "is of the devil"; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Gal. 5: 19 Now the "works of the flesh" (He who committeth sin) are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

I know you will not be persuaded to go against your adopted religious philosophy. But for those reading along, how are the "works of the flesh" and the "works of the devil" not the same, according to what is actually written in Scriptures.


Your custom of only quoting "part" of God's Word is popular, even as far back as Eve. But it isn't edifying. Here, lets post more of the message in search of the truth of the message.

Eph. 4: 23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;

24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.

Is "lying" not a work of the Flesh that we are to mortify? Is it not also a "Work of the devil" that we are to flee?

What are you preaching here Red? That lying as a fleshy lust is acceptable to God, but lying as a result of satan's possession is not?

26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:

27 Neither give place to the devil. 28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

How is giving place to the carnal flesh, or giving place to the devil, two different things? It isn't, only in the hearts of men is such a wickedness distinction found.



But the works of the Flesh are, " Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like.

How can the "devil" exist in our walk with God, without the Carnal Flesh?


How does the works of the Flesh, "Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like.", not bring shame to the name of Jesus Christ?


But if I walk in the Flesh, I am a servant of my flesh and live in "Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like.".

If I am a child of the devil, I am a servant of the devil and live in "Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like".

How can a man walk in his carnal flesh, and NOT be "OF the devil? How can I be "of the devil" if I'm not walking in my carnal flesh?

I know you are not allowed by your master to honestly engage or answer these questions. But for those reading along, what is the difference between the carnal flesh and the devil?

Who tempted Jesus ?

End of discussion, major failure on your part with your false doctrine about satan and his angels , demons .

 

[civic]

If you were interested in an actual discussion about what it means to have free will, I would engage with you Civic. But clearly all this is just a joke to you. I have already answered this question, according to Scriptures. So I respectfully decline to engage in your question.

Forget the free will I’m asking you who tempted Jesus .

Nice diversion in your part to avoid the question

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

If you were interested in an actual discussion about what it means to have free will, I would engage with you Civic. But clearly all this is just a joke to you. I have already answered this question, according to Scriptures. So I respectfully decline to engage in your question.

what does free will have to do with Satan and the temptation of christ?

 

[mikesw]

What "People" have mentioned this? Can you show me somewhere in the Scriptures where it is written that one of satan's lies is that it doesn't exist? And if not, then who told you these things?

And what about the statement you replied to is false? If Eve wasn't created with the free will ability to reject God's Word, how is it even possible that she rejected God's Word? Did the Talking snake "MAKE HER" reject God's Word? And if so, then why did God punish her or rebuke her at all?

And if you can't answer these questions in support of your preaching and "subtle" insult, then who are you to me? A demon? A deceiver? Or did a talking snake "MAKE YOU" reply to my posts without even considering its content?

What I hope to convey is seeking God's truth though scriptures, not through "other voices".

If I walk in the flesh, I will die. If I walk after satan, I will die. Are these not Biblical Truths?

If I listen to my flesh, I will be deceived. If I listen to satan, I will be deceived. Are these not biblical Truths?

Gal. 5:19 Now the works "of the flesh" are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: (ALL direct disobedience to God's commandments) of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

1 John 3:8 He that "committeth sin" is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he "might destroy" the works of the devil.

Gal. 5: 24 And they that are Christ's have "crucified the flesh" with "the affections and lusts".

Acts 13: 10 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child "of the devil", thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?

Col. 3: 5 Mortify therefore your members (Flesh) which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh "on the children of disobedience:"

Rom. 8: 5 For they that are "after the flesh" do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh "cannot please God".

Is it not true then that if I am "in the devil", I cannot please God?

I could go on and on with scriptures that place the Flesh of Humans and the devil on the exact same plane.

Jesus said to "Deny ourselves" and follow Him. He inspired it to be written, "The heart of man is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked, who can know it"

Where does the devil dwell, if not in the heart of man? And what was created first, the Human Flesh, or the devil?

I know you have your popular religious boogie man Mike, promoted by this world's religions. A being "from without" that you can always point to and say, "The devil whom thou gavest "to be with me", it gave me the lust to disobey, and I disobeyed.

But after study I have come to understand that to have free will, one must have the ability to "Choose". And in order to "Choose" there must be options to choose from. And every human will be or has already been given God's Word and also the Adversary to God's Word, called the "Flesh", the "Devil", a "Serpent", a viper, satan, deceiver, and so on.

This was true in Adam and Eves time, and is is true in my time.

This is why Jesus said, in my understanding, nothing from without can defile a man, only those things of the Flesh, from within, from the heart of man, from the flesh, the devil, which are "Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like:.

And as it is written "they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God".

2 Thess. 2: 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan (Adversary) with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they "received not" the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

You guys all looking for the boogie man "from without", rejecting and omitting from your minds the "Truth" that it's your own Flesh, your own free will, that cause you to reject God's Word.

You maybe are missing the point of the thread. The original post is about the nature of who Satan is. However, it seems you are saying that Satan is everyone who is affected by their flesh. You have now posted 90% the content of this discussion but, at best, have seemed to share the consequence of his lies. Even that concept is not clear.

 

[civic]

what does free will have to do with Satan and the temptation of christ?

Exactly

 

[civic]

You maybe are missing the point of the thread. The original post is about the nature of who Satan is. However, it seems you are saying that Satan is everyone who is affected by their flesh. You have now posted 90% the content of this discussion but, at best, have seemed to share the consequence of his lies. Even that concept is not clear.

The reality is the god of the world has blinded him to the truth and duped him as per 2 Corinthians 4:3-4

 

[Studyman]

Who tempted Jesus ?

End of discussion, major failure on your part with your false doctrine about satan and his angels , demons .

I told you preacher, in this thread already. But you, like so many "who call Jesus Lord, Lord", don't believe Jesus was a flesh and blood human being with a human free will. You don't believe HE overcame sin and temptation according the direction HE gave to everyone else, on how to over come sin and temptation. You don't believe Jesus struggled with a human flesh, and "Chose" to Love Righteousness and Hate wickedness of His own human free will.

So you can't accept that the "devil" and the uncontrolled carnal flesh of man, might be the same, according to Scriptures.

You and the Pope and others have your boogie man, someone to blame for your own lawless free will choices. And Christ Himself said you would be given over to the desires of your carnal flesh that you work so hard to preserve.

I have laid out the case for this, asked relevant questions, eager to address what is actually written in scriptures with anyone interested in honest discussion concerning them. But you guys are only interested in preserving your boogie man, your "scape goat".

It's fascinating really. According to your philosophy, Christ forgot to, or simply refused to warn Adam and Eve of most deceitful creature HE ever created, that would deceive the entire world and bring chaos, death and misery to all mankind for millennia.

That HE sent the woman, the weaker vessel, into a wilderness "Alone", knowing full well there was an evil talking snake, a deceitful, human devouring lion, seeking humans in the garden HE placed Eve in, whom he may devour.

And when she was devoured by the talking snake, that Christ didn't warn her about, HE punished her, and her children, and all of mankind for century after century after century to this very day.

How you must hate God to promote such a wicked philosophy concerning Him. And why? So you can justify your own wicked free will choices?

I love this forum, my brothers and I have learned so much about this world's religions, and have come to understand so much about our own heart, the deceptions and foolishness I was taught, and reason the Christ had these stories written for us, to expose them little by little.

It's an amazing, though sometimes not easy journey Civic, I really wish you could turn away from the popular "course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience", and come to understand who your true enemy, God true adversary actually is. It's not a talking snake. It isn't anything that comes from without, but what comes from within.

 

[civic]

I told you preacher, in this thread already. But you, like so many "who call Jesus Lord, Lord", don't believe Jesus was a flesh and blood human being with a human free will. You don't believe HE overcame sin and temptation according the direction HE gave to everyone else, on how to over come sin and temptation. You don't believe Jesus struggled with a human flesh, and "Chose" to Love Righteousness and Hate wickedness of His own human free will.

So you can't accept that the "devil" and the uncontrolled carnal flesh of man, might be the same, according to Scriptures.

You and the Pope and others have your boogie man, someone to blame for your own lawless free will choices. And Christ Himself said you would be given over to the desires of your carnal flesh that you work so hard to preserve.

I have laid out the case for this, asked relevant questions, eager to address what is actually written in scriptures with anyone interested in honest discussion concerning them. But you guys are only interested in preserving your boogie man, your "scape goat".

It's fascinating really. According to your philosophy, Christ forgot to, or simply refused to warn Adam and Eve of most deceitful creature HE ever created, that would deceive the entire world and bring chaos, death and misery to all mankind for millennia.

That HE sent the woman, the weaker vessel, into a wilderness "Alone", knowing full well there was an evil talking snake, a deceitful, human devouring lion, seeking humans in the garden HE placed Eve in, whom he may devour.

And when she was devoured by the talking snake, that Christ didn't warn her about, HE punished her, and her children, and all of mankind for century after century after century to this very day.

How you must hate God to promote such a wicked philosophy concerning Him. And why? So you can justify your own wicked free will choices?

I love this forum, my brothers and I have learned so much about this world's religions, and have come to understand so much about our own heart, the deceptions and foolishness I was taught, and reason the Christ had these stories written for us, to expose them little by little.

It's an amazing, though sometimes not easy journey Civic, I really wish you could turn away from the popular "course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience", and come to understand who your true enemy, God true adversary actually is. It's not a talking snake. It isn't anything that comes from without, but what comes from within.

Nice dodge .

In one simple sentence who tempted Jesus ?

Quit avoiding the question with your rambling nonsense.

I know what scripture says and who tempted Jesus but you sure don’t.

Now try and give a short answer. Who tempted Jesus ?

 

[mikesw]

I told you preacher, in this thread already. But you, like so many "who call Jesus Lord, Lord", don't believe Jesus was a flesh and blood human being with a human free will. You don't believe HE overcame sin and temptation according the direction HE gave to everyone else, on how to over come sin and temptation. You don't believe Jesus struggled with a human flesh, and "Chose" to Love Righteousness and Hate wickedness of His own human free will.

Few people, if any, in this discussion deny Jesus's humanity. We also would recognize his divinity in the Godhead. Your response sound like that of a unitarian -- but only in the way you are reflecting Jesus overcoming the temptation of Satan.

At least in once sense, Jesus was not tempted inwardly (i.e., reacting momentarily toward the external points by Satan) because Jesus had the testimony of scriptures against the lies of Satan. The stronger reason is Jesus's divinity itself kept him from following the temptation. Yet, he became familiar with the temptation men feel and thus could become the High Priest with this experience.

Christians have the element of God's Spirit to help against temptation, but Christians are not simply able to follow Jesus's example against Satan (or rather the flesh) -- as you seem to imply. None of us our Christ.

 

[Studyman]

You maybe are missing the point of the thread. The original post is about the nature of who Satan is. However, it seems you are saying that Satan is everyone who is affected by their flesh.

Be careful not to let your carnal flesh cloud your judgment here Mike, by promoting a falsehood. What I am saying, is that the Carnal Flesh, and satan are one in the same. That God has "ZERO" Adversaries, but we have adversaries. That we make ourselves enemies of God by our own free will choices.

If we walk in the Flesh, are we not then become children of the devil?

You have now posted 90% the content of this discussion but, at best, have seemed to share the consequence of his lies. Even that concept is not clear.

Perhaps you would be better served to actually engage in what is written, rather than just clinging to or working to preserve popular religious philosophies.

 

[mikesw]

Be careful not to let your carnal flesh cloud your judgment here Mike, by promoting a falsehood. What I am saying, is that the Carnal Flesh, and satan are one in the same. That God has "ZERO" Adversaries, but we have adversaries. That we make ourselves enemies of God by our own free will choices.

If we walk in the Flesh, are we not then become children of the devil?



Perhaps you would be better served to actually engage in what is written, rather than just clinging to or working to preserve popular religious philosophies.

This is like the discussions with the unitarians. You share many passages about the flesh that influences people and perhaps about people following the flesh. Those issues are not doubted by the people responding to you. However, you try to say this is people being as a satan because they are weak in the flesh (or not yet Christian). Your responses do not lead to the conclusion that Satan does not exist as a separate entity created by God. Your long posts are not worth detailed scrutiny due to the fact they do not address the primary issues in dispute.

 

[Studyman]

Nice dodge .

In one simple sentence who tempted Jesus ?
Quit avoiding the question with your rambling nonsense.

Now fleshy preacher, I posted the answer to this question already. Don't be continually ruled by your wicked flesh, try to get a grip. Here, I'll post it again.

Jam. 1: 12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

Wasn't Jesus the Firstfruit, the first to receive the promise? Or don't believe that HE was tested as other men?

13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

14 But "every man" is tempted, when he is drawn away "of his own lust", and enticed.

15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

I wasn't avoiding anything. I was simply posting why you don't believe this and much more of the Holy Scriptures.

It's not because you are possessed by a talking snake, it's because you walk in your carnal Flesh, like Eve did.

I know what scripture says and who tempted Jesus but you sure don’t.

I just posted scripture.

Now try and give a short answer. Who tempted Jesus ?

I let the Spirit of Christ in James answer. You can reject him. I am a nobody.

 

[civic]

Now fleshy preacher, I posted the answer to this question already. Don't be continually ruled by your wicked flesh, try to get a grip. Here, I'll post it again.

Jam. 1: 12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

Wasn't Jesus the Firstfruit, the first to receive the promise? Or don't believe that HE was tested as other men?

13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

14 But "every man" is tempted, when he is drawn away "of his own lust", and enticed.

15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

I wasn't avoiding anything. I was simply posting why you don't believe this and much more of the Holy Scriptures.

It's not because you are possessed by a talking snake, it's because you walk in your carnal Flesh, like Eve did.



I just posted scripture.



I let the Spirit of Christ in James answer. You can reject him. I am a nobody.

You make Jesus and His word a lie.

 

[Studyman]

This is like the discussions with the unitarians. You share many passages about the flesh that influences people and perhaps about people following the flesh. Those issues are not doubted by the people responding to you. However, you try to say this is people being as a satan because they are weak in the flesh (or not yet Christian). Your responses do not lead to the conclusion that Satan does not exist as a separate entity created by God. Your long posts are not worth detailed scrutiny due to the fact they do not address the primary issues in dispute.

Ya, the whole "Scripture" thing is so "Yesterday". And answering questions, who does that anymore.

Well there you go. You can keep your boogie man, and cling only to this world's philosophies that promote it.

It didn't work for Adam and Eve to blame someone else for their own choices, maybe the Christ will let you skate. Those "Christians" in Matt. 7 thought so.

I just wanted to share a perspective of someone who believes all that is written.

Thanks for the discussion, such as it was.