Salvation and how Jesus used the word in the N.T.

[civic]

Salvation and the N.T. Greek words.


NT:4990 ‎/‎soter (so-tare'); from NT:4982; a deliverer, i.e. God or Christ:

KJV - saviour.

NT:4991 / ‎soteria (so-tay-ree'-ah); feminine of a derivative of NT:4990 as (properly, abstract) noun; rescue or safety (physically or morally):

KJV - deliver, health, salvation, save, saving.


NT:4982 ‎ ‎sozo (sode'-zo); from a primary sos (contraction for obsolete saoz, "safe"); to save, i.e. deliver or protect (literally or figuratively):

KJV - heal, preserve, save (self), do well, be (make) whole.


Luke 19:5-10

5 And when Jesus came to the place, he looked up, and saw him, and said unto him, Zacchaeus, make haste, and come down; for to day I must abide at thy house.

6 And he made haste, and came down, and received him joyfully.

7 And when they saw it, they all murmured, saying, That he was gone to be guest with a man that is a sinner.

8 And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord; Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold.

9 And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, for so much as he also is a son of Abraham.

10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.


To save- it means to deliver out of danger

Salvation- refers to the activity which produces the state of safety

Savior- is reserved for the one who saves.

We sometimes talk about saving things but Jesus only used the word with man whom He saved.


Luke 19:9- This is the only time Jesus used the word salvation and that was with Zacchaeus. Christ’s purpose was one of seeking and saving the lost. Zacchaeus was a rich tax collector who was looked down upon for his livelihood. He was despised by those around him. When Jesus approached him and Zacchaeus looked up at Him , Jesus asked him to use his house and Zacchaeus gladly came down and received Him. When they went into the house the multitude murmured and within a short visit Zacchaeus was repentant of his ill gains which was evidence of his new found faith in the Savior. Salvation is the power that takes hold of a person and remakes him.

Here are some verses that Jesus used the word save.

Luke 6:9- Jesus restored the withered hand

Luke 8:48- Jesus healed the woman with the issue of blood

Luke 8:50- Jesus raised Jairus daughter from the dead

Luke 17:19- Jesus cleansed the lepers

Luke 18:42- Jesus healed the blind

So as we can see to save means to completely remove or destroy those destructive forces. To restore all that had been lost. Salvation in the teaching of Jesus is the complete change from one condition to its opposite. Jesus confronted man with the reality of sin. The religious people of his day hated Him without a cause because they loved their sin. Jesus taught us to “repent toward God”(Matt 4:17) To believe in Me (John 6:28,29) and “test Me”, will to do My will. ( John 7:17)

Eternal life is to know Christ ( John 17:3) Jesus said you are my disciples if you abide in Me. ( John 8:31,32) Apart from Him I can do nothing.(John 15:5)

Faith is a conviction of the mind that Christ is God. Jesus said unless you believe that “ I AM” you will die in your sins.(John 8:24) Read the whole chapter. Paul declared one must confess Jesus is Lord(YHWH) to be saved and those who call upon Him will be delivered(Joel 2:32). Secondly it is a voluntary surrender to Him as Lord or Master of your life. By faith our mind trusts in God, our heart responds to His love and our will submits to the commands of God. Our life yields to obedience in our service to Him. Faith goes beyond reason, it believes without understanding why. ( Heb 11:1) Faith chooses to endure ill treatment (Heb 11:25) Faith accepts all things as a part of God will, Paul’s imprisonment.( Phil1:12) You are not born with faith, it comes from hearing Gods word(Rom 10:17) You cannot be saved without faith.(John 3:36) No peace with God without faith.(Rom 5:1) You are justified by faith(Gal 2:16) Christ dwells in our hearts by faith (Eph 3:17) The Spirit is received by faith (Gal 3:2) And finally Jesus alone is the author and finisher of our faith.(Heb 12:2)


hope this helps,

 

[Jim]

Salvation and the N.T. Greek words.


NT:4990 ‎/‎soter (so-tare'); from NT:4982; a deliverer, i.e. God or Christ:

KJV - saviour.

NT:4991 / ‎soteria (so-tay-ree'-ah); feminine of a derivative of NT:4990 as (properly, abstract) noun; rescue or safety (physically or morally):

KJV - deliver, health, salvation, save, saving.


NT:4982 ‎ ‎sozo (sode'-zo); from a primary sos (contraction for obsolete saoz, "safe"); to save, i.e. deliver or protect (literally or figuratively):

KJV - heal, preserve, save (self), do well, be (make) whole.


Luke 19:5-10

5 And when Jesus came to the place, he looked up, and saw him, and said unto him, Zacchaeus, make haste, and come down; for to day I must abide at thy house.

6 And he made haste, and came down, and received him joyfully.

7 And when they saw it, they all murmured, saying, That he was gone to be guest with a man that is a sinner.

8 And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord; Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold.

9 And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, for so much as he also is a son of Abraham.

10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.


To save- it means to deliver out of danger

Salvation- refers to the activity which produces the state of safety

Savior- is reserved for the one who saves.

We sometimes talk about saving things but Jesus only used the word with man whom He saved.


Luke 19:9- This is the only time Jesus used the word salvation and that was with Zacchaeus. Christ’s purpose was one of seeking and saving the lost. Zacchaeus was a rich tax collector who was looked down upon for his livelihood. He was despised by those around him. When Jesus approached him and Zacchaeus looked up at Him , Jesus asked him to use his house and Zacchaeus gladly came down and received Him. When they went into the house the multitude murmured and within a short visit Zacchaeus was repentant of his ill gains which was evidence of his new found faith in the Savior. Salvation is the power that takes hold of a person and remakes him.

Here are some verses that Jesus used the word save.

Luke 6:9- Jesus restored the withered hand

Luke 8:48- Jesus healed the woman with the issue of blood

Luke 8:50- Jesus raised Jairus daughter from the dead

Luke 17:19- Jesus cleansed the lepers

Luke 18:42- Jesus healed the blind

So as we can see to save means to completely remove or destroy those destructive forces. To restore all that had been lost. Salvation in the teaching of Jesus is the complete change from one condition to its opposite. Jesus confronted man with the reality of sin. The religious people of his day hated Him without a cause because they loved their sin. Jesus taught us to “repent toward God”(Matt 4:17) To believe in Me (John 6:28,29) and “test Me”, will to do My will. ( John 7:17)

Eternal life is to know Christ ( John 17:3) Jesus said you are my disciples if you abide in Me. ( John 8:31,32) Apart from Him I can do nothing.(John 15:5)

Faith is a conviction of the mind that Christ is God. Jesus said unless you believe that “ I AM” you will die in your sins.(John 8:24) Read the whole chapter. Paul declared one must confess Jesus is Lord(YHWH) to be saved and those who call upon Him will be delivered(Joel 2:32). Secondly it is a voluntary surrender to Him as Lord or Master of your life. By faith our mind trusts in God, our heart responds to His love and our will submits to the commands of God. Our life yields to obedience in our service to Him. Faith goes beyond reason, it believes without understanding why. ( Heb 11:1) Faith chooses to endure ill treatment (Heb 11:25) Faith accepts all things as a part of God will, Paul’s imprisonment.( Phil1:12) You are not born with faith, it comes from hearing Gods word(Rom 10:17) You cannot be saved without faith.(John 3:36) No peace with God without faith.(Rom 5:1) You are justified by faith(Gal 2:16) Christ dwells in our hearts by faith (Eph 3:17) The Spirit is received by faith (Gal 3:2) And finally Jesus alone is the author and finisher of our faith.(Heb 12:2)


hope this helps,

Again, @civic, with all due respect, while all you presented there is, I believe, the truth, you have said a lot about salvation, but you have not really clarified what is salvation.

 

[civic]

Again, @civic, with all due respect, while all you presented there is, I believe, the truth, you have said a lot about salvation, but you have not really clarified what is salvation.

Actually I did , please reread the post and see everything in RED. Thanks

 

[101G]

Salvation and the N.T. Greek words.


NT:4990 ‎/‎soter (so-tare'); from NT:4982; a deliverer, i.e. God or Christ:

KJV - saviour.

NT:4991 / ‎soteria (so-tay-ree'-ah); feminine of a derivative of NT:4990 as (properly, abstract) noun; rescue or safety (physically or morally):

KJV - deliver, health, salvation, save, saving.


NT:4982 ‎ ‎sozo (sode'-zo); from a primary sos (contraction for obsolete saoz, "safe"); to save, i.e. deliver or protect (literally or figuratively):

KJV - heal, preserve, save (self), do well, be (make) whole.


Luke 19:5-10

5 And when Jesus came to the place, he looked up, and saw him, and said unto him, Zacchaeus, make haste, and come down; for to day I must abide at thy house.

6 And he made haste, and came down, and received him joyfully.

7 And when they saw it, they all murmured, saying, That he was gone to be guest with a man that is a sinner.

8 And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord; Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold.

9 And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, for so much as he also is a son of Abraham.

10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.


To save- it means to deliver out of danger

Salvation- refers to the activity which produces the state of safety

Savior- is reserved for the one who saves.

We sometimes talk about saving things but Jesus only used the word with man whom He saved.


Luke 19:9- This is the only time Jesus used the word salvation and that was with Zacchaeus. Christ’s purpose was one of seeking and saving the lost. Zacchaeus was a rich tax collector who was looked down upon for his livelihood. He was despised by those around him. When Jesus approached him and Zacchaeus looked up at Him , Jesus asked him to use his house and Zacchaeus gladly came down and received Him. When they went into the house the multitude murmured and within a short visit Zacchaeus was repentant of his ill gains which was evidence of his new found faith in the Savior. Salvation is the power that takes hold of a person and remakes him.

Here are some verses that Jesus used the word save.

Luke 6:9- Jesus restored the withered hand

Luke 8:48- Jesus healed the woman with the issue of blood

Luke 8:50- Jesus raised Jairus daughter from the dead

Luke 17:19- Jesus cleansed the lepers

Luke 18:42- Jesus healed the blind

So as we can see to save means to completely remove or destroy those destructive forces. To restore all that had been lost. Salvation in the teaching of Jesus is the complete change from one condition to its opposite. Jesus confronted man with the reality of sin. The religious people of his day hated Him without a cause because they loved their sin. Jesus taught us to “repent toward God”(Matt 4:17) To believe in Me (John 6:28,29) and “test Me”, will to do My will. ( John 7:17)

Eternal life is to know Christ ( John 17:3) Jesus said you are my disciples if you abide in Me. ( John 8:31,32) Apart from Him I can do nothing.(John 15:5)

Faith is a conviction of the mind that Christ is God. Jesus said unless you believe that “ I AM” you will die in your sins.(John 8:24) Read the whole chapter. Paul declared one must confess Jesus is Lord(YHWH) to be saved and those who call upon Him will be delivered(Joel 2:32). Secondly it is a voluntary surrender to Him as Lord or Master of your life. By faith our mind trusts in God, our heart responds to His love and our will submits to the commands of God. Our life yields to obedience in our service to Him. Faith goes beyond reason, it believes without understanding why. ( Heb 11:1) Faith chooses to endure ill treatment (Heb 11:25) Faith accepts all things as a part of God will, Paul’s imprisonment.( Phil1:12) You are not born with faith, it comes from hearing Gods word(Rom 10:17) You cannot be saved without faith.(John 3:36) No peace with God without faith.(Rom 5:1) You are justified by faith(Gal 2:16) Christ dwells in our hearts by faith (Eph 3:17) The Spirit is received by faith (Gal 3:2) And finally Jesus alone is the author and finisher of our faith.(Heb 12:2)


hope this helps,

Why not start in the OT First. Exodus 15:2 "The LORD is my strength and song, and he is become my salvation: he is my God, and I will prepare him an habitation; my father's God, and I will exalt him."

MY SALVATION: H3444 יְשׁוּעָה yshuw`ah (yesh-oo'-aw) n-f.
1. something saved.
2. (abstractly) the act or instance of saving or rescuing a soul.
3. (hence) protective aid, victory, prosperity.
4. custodial salvation (that is, in the protective, custodial care of another).
5. (specially) custodial Salvation through the Anointed-One, Yeshua.
[feminine passive participle of H3467]
KJV: deliverance, health, help(-ing), salvation, save, saving (health), welfare.
Root(s): H3467

101G.

 

[civic]

Why not start in the OT First. Exodus 15:2 "The LORD is my strength and song, and he is become my salvation: he is my God, and I will prepare him an habitation; my father's God, and I will exalt him."

MY SALVATION: H3444 יְשׁוּעָה yshuw`ah (yesh-oo'-aw) n-f.
1. something saved.
2. (abstractly) the act or instance of saving or rescuing a soul.
3. (hence) protective aid, victory, prosperity.
4. custodial salvation (that is, in the protective, custodial care of another).
5. (specially) custodial Salvation through the Anointed-One, Yeshua.
[feminine passive participle of H3467]
KJV: deliverance, health, help(-ing), salvation, save, saving (health), welfare.
Root(s): H3467

101G.

why because I was quoting the savior Himself and how He used the word.

why are you diverting, dodging Jesus ?

 

[101G]

why because I was quoting the savior Himself and how He used the word.

why are you diverting, dodging Jesus ?

LOL, LOL, LOL, Oh boy, How IGNORANT, did you read the definition 101G provided? no, because you're disobedient. LISTEN and LEARN, MY SALVATION: H3444 יְשׁוּעָה yshuw`ah (yesh-oo'-aw) n-f.
5. (specially) custodial Salvation through the Anointed-One, Yeshua.

yes, "YESHUA", scripture N.T. Matthew 1:19 "Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily." Matthew 1:20 "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost." Matthew 1:21 "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins."

JESUS: G2424 Ἰησοῦς Iesous (yee-sous') n/p.
1. (meaning) He is Salvation, Yahweh saves (i.e. the Savior).
2. (person) Jesus (i.e. Yeshua, Yehoshua), the name of our Lord, also called the Last Adam.
3. (person) Joshua (i.e. Yehoshua) an Israelite, the servant and successor of Moses.
4. (person) Jeshua, also called Justus, an Israelite, a coworker with Paul.
5. (NOTE) (“Jesus” is a valid English transliteration, coming from Ancient Hebrew to Koine Greek (via the Septuagint) to Latin to Old English to Modern English. It is completely acceptable to God (Yahweh) for us call upon the Savior's name as “Jesus,” or “Iesous,” or “Yeshua,” or even “Yesu” as in Christian Arabic or in the Fijian Islands, et al. God prepared for all nations to be able to trust in the Savior and to call upon his name by preparing a language dialect for international use: the Hebraic-Koine Greek. Thus, technically and formally, the pronunciation “Iesous” was intentionally established by the Savior as the common basis for Jewish and Gentile acknowledgment of his Redemption and Salvation, going forth as needed into every tribe, native tongue, people, and nation. “Yeshua” is of course delightfully acceptable to him, when it is not used as an exclusionary name. Love edifies).
6. (NOTE) (Revelation 3:12).
[of Hebrew origin (H3442 as the shortened form of H3091)]
KJV: Jesus
Root(s): H3442

again, YES, "Yeshua", [of Hebrew origin (H3442 as the shortened form of H3091)]

did not 101G say, H3442, Yeshua .... "My SALVATION" ..... who is H3091 ... LOOK UP H3091 ,,, (smile), YKES!.

101G.

P.S. yes, your Savior, my Saviour, all of us .... who obey GOD/JESUS/YESHUA is the ONE and Only SAVIOUR.... (smile)
Jesus the Lord, us the ONE and ONLY TRUE and LIVING God who "SAVES"......

 

[civic]

LOL, LOL, LOL, Oh boy, How IGNORANT, did you read the definition 101G provided? no, because you're disobedient. LISTEN and LEARN, MY SALVATION: H3444 יְשׁוּעָה yshuw`ah (yesh-oo'-aw) n-f.
5. (specially) custodial Salvation through the Anointed-One, Yeshua.

yes, "YESHUA", scripture N.T. Matthew 1:19 "Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily." Matthew 1:20 "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost." Matthew 1:21 "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins."

JESUS: G2424 Ἰησοῦς Iesous (yee-sous') n/p.
1. (meaning) He is Salvation, Yahweh saves (i.e. the Savior).
2. (person) Jesus (i.e. Yeshua, Yehoshua), the name of our Lord, also called the Last Adam.
3. (person) Joshua (i.e. Yehoshua) an Israelite, the servant and successor of Moses.
4. (person) Jeshua, also called Justus, an Israelite, a coworker with Paul.
5. (NOTE) (“Jesus” is a valid English transliteration, coming from Ancient Hebrew to Koine Greek (via the Septuagint) to Latin to Old English to Modern English. It is completely acceptable to God (Yahweh) for us call upon the Savior's name as “Jesus,” or “Iesous,” or “Yeshua,” or even “Yesu” as in Christian Arabic or in the Fijian Islands, et al. God prepared for all nations to be able to trust in the Savior and to call upon his name by preparing a language dialect for international use: the Hebraic-Koine Greek. Thus, technically and formally, the pronunciation “Iesous” was intentionally established by the Savior as the common basis for Jewish and Gentile acknowledgment of his Redemption and Salvation, going forth as needed into every tribe, native tongue, people, and nation. “Yeshua” is of course delightfully acceptable to him, when it is not used as an exclusionary name. Love edifies).
6. (NOTE) (Revelation 3:12).
[of Hebrew origin (H3442 as the shortened form of H3091)]
KJV: Jesus
Root(s): H3442

again, YES, "Yeshua", [of Hebrew origin (H3442 as the shortened form of H3091)]

did not 101G say, H3442, Yeshua .... "My SALVATION" ..... who is H3091 ... LOOK UP H3091 ,,, (smile), YKES!.

101G.

P.S. yes, your Savior, my Saviour, all of us .... who obey GOD/JESUS/YESHUA is the ONE and Only SAVIOUR.... (smile)
Jesus the Lord, us the ONE and ONLY TRUE and LIVING God who "SAVES"......

I'm not going to take your bait and turn this into a modalism/oneness discussion.

 

[101G]

I'm not going to take your bait and turn this into a modalism/oneness discussion.

LOL, LOL, LOL, the Bait is the TRUTH, the scriptures are correct, Matthew 7:21 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." Matthew 7:22 "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?" Matthew 7:23 "And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

see civic, you had a chance to LEARN God, but yet your HEART is far from God, for the root of H3091 is the bait you refuse,
H3091: יְהוֹשׁוּעַ YhowShuw`a (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah) n/p.
יְהוֹשֻׁעַ YhowShu`a (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah)
1. Yahweh-saved.
2. Jehoshua (i.e. Joshua), the Jewish leader.
[from H3068 and H3467]
KJV: Jehoshua, Jehoshuah, Joshua.
Root(s): H3068, H3467

H3068 יְהוָה Yhvah (yeh-vaw') n/p.
יְהוָֹה Yhovah (yeh-ho-vaw')
יְהוֹ Yhow (yeh-ho') [as a prefix]
1. (meaning) the self-Existent or Eternal, the I AM.
2. (person) Yahweh (Yehvah), Jewish national name of God.
3. (anglicized) Jehovah.
4. (as a name prefix) Yeho-.
5. (As expressed in Hebraic Koine Greek) ἐγώ εἰμί, I AM (literally: I myself, I am).
[from H1961]
KJV: Jehovah, the Lord.
Root(s): H1961

THIS IS BASIC BIBLE STUDY, AND YOU REFUSE THE LORD "JESUS"/"YESHUAH"....

101G.

 

[civic]

LOL, LOL, LOL, the Bait is the TRUTH, the scriptures are correct, Matthew 7:21 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." Matthew 7:22 "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?" Matthew 7:23 "And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

see civic, you had a chance to LEARN God, but yet your HEART is far from God, for the root of H3091 is the bait you refuse,
H3091: יְהוֹשׁוּעַ YhowShuw`a (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah) n/p.
יְהוֹשֻׁעַ YhowShu`a (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah)
1. Yahweh-saved.
2. Jehoshua (i.e. Joshua), the Jewish leader.
[from H3068 and H3467]
KJV: Jehoshua, Jehoshuah, Joshua.
Root(s): H3068, H3467

H3068 יְהוָה Yhvah (yeh-vaw') n/p.
יְהוָֹה Yhovah (yeh-ho-vaw')
יְהוֹ Yhow (yeh-ho') [as a prefix]
1. (meaning) the self-Existent or Eternal, the I AM.
2. (person) Yahweh (Yehvah), Jewish national name of God.
3. (anglicized) Jehovah.
4. (as a name prefix) Yeho-.
5. (As expressed in Hebraic Koine Greek) ἐγώ εἰμί, I AM (literally: I myself, I am).
[from H1961]
KJV: Jehovah, the Lord.
Root(s): H1961

THIS IS BASIC BIBLE STUDY, AND YOU REFUSE THE LORD "JESUS"/"YESHUAH"....

101G.

Nice try as I believe the Son is YHWH, the Great I Am, the Creator of all things without beginning or end. The Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last and besides Him there is no Savior. He is the Great Shepherd, the Good Shepherd, the Redeemer, the Almighty.

next fallacy.................

 

[101G]

Nice try as I believe the Son is YHWH, the Great I Am, the Creator of all things without beginning or end. The Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last and besides Him there is no Savior. He is the Great Shepherd, the Good Shepherd, the Redeemer, the Almighty.

next fallacy.................

no, you believe that the son is a separate and distinct person from the Father..... (smile). there is only one Father and that's the Lord Jesus.
that's your fallacy, because 2 Corinthians 6:17 destroys your lack of God's wisdom, "Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you," 2 Corinthians 6:18 "And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty."

that one verse alone reprove your nonsense, and ther are many more...... (smile)..... Oh my, this is 2 good. NEXT....

101G.

 

[civic]

no, you believe that the son is a separate and distinct person from the Father..... (smile). there is only one Father and that's the Lord Jesus.
that's your fallacy, because 2 Corinthians 6:17 destroys your lack of God's wisdom, "Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you," 2 Corinthians 6:18 "And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty."

that one verse alone reprove your nonsense, and ther are many more...... (smile)..... Oh my, this is 2 good. NEXT....

101G.

fallacy alert.

heresy alert- oneness/ modalism/ Sabellianism

Modalism is a theological heresy that denies the Trinitarian doctrine of God as three distinct persons (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) in one essence. Instead, Modalism teaches that God is one person who manifests or appears in three different modes or forms—sometimes as the Father, sometimes as the Son, and sometimes as the Holy Spirit—rather than existing eternally as three distinct persons. Modalism is also referred to as Sabellianism, after its most prominent early proponent, Sabellius, and Patripassianism, due to its implication that the Father suffered on the cross (since there is no distinction between the Father and the Son in Modalism).

History of Modalism​

1. Early Beginnings (2nd-3rd Century): Modalism emerged in the 2nd and 3rd centuries AD during the early theological debates about the nature of God, particularly the relationship between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Early Modalists sought to defend the oneness of God but ended up doing so at the expense of the distinct persons within the Trinity.
   
   The theological landscape of the time was filled with questions about how to understand the divinity of Christ and how He relates to God the Father. Modalism was, in part, a reaction to Arianism, which argued that the Son was a created being and subordinate to the Father. In seeking to uphold the full divinity of Christ and protect the unity of God, Modalists overcorrected by rejecting the distinct personhood of the Son and the Holy Spirit, viewing them as mere modes of the one God.
2. Sabellius and Sabellianism: Sabellius, an early 3rd-century Christian theologian, was the most notable advocate of Modalism, which is why Modalism is sometimes called Sabellianism. Sabellius taught that God is a single person who manifests in three different modes at different times. He used the analogy of the sun, where God is the source (Father), light (Son), and heat (Holy Spirit), but they are not distinct entities—just different aspects of one substance.
   
   Sabellius’ views were condemned by various church leaders, including Tertullian, who coined the term Patripassianism to highlight the logical consequence of Modalism—that it would imply the Father suffered on the cross. This concept was seen as deeply problematic, as it violated the clear distinctions made between the Father and the Son in Scripture.
3. Condemnation by Early Church Councils: Modalism was strongly opposed by early church fathers such as Tertullian, Hippolytus, and later by Athanasius and others. The church councils eventually condemned Modalism as heretical because it denied the distinction of persons in the Godhead. The Council of Nicaea in 325 AD and later the Council of Constantinople in 381 AD affirmed the doctrine of the Trinity, clarifying that God is one in essence but exists as three distinct persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Modalism, by rejecting this distinction, was officially rejected by the church as incompatible with biblical teaching.
4. Influence and Recurrences: Although officially condemned, Modalism has resurfaced throughout church history in various forms. One significant modern resurgence is found in the Oneness Pentecostalism movement, which rejects the orthodox doctrine of the Trinity and teaches a form of Modalism where God is one person who reveals Himself as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in different contexts, but not as three distinct persons.

Theology of Modalism​

1. Denial of the Trinity: Modalism affirms the unity of God but at the cost of denying the distinction between the persons of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. According to Modalists, God is a single person who manifests Himself in three different modes at different times. For instance:
   
   • As Father in the Old Testament,
   • As Son during the earthly life of Jesus,
   • As Holy Spirit after the ascension of Christ and in the church age.
   • These modes are not distinct persons, but rather different manifestations or roles that God takes on.
2. Patripassianism: One consequence of Modalism is the view known as Patripassianism, which means "the Father suffers." Since Modalism teaches that the Father and the Son are not distinct persons, it implies that God the Father also suffered and died on the cross, which directly contradicts orthodox Christian teaching that the Son alone suffered in His humanity. This led to sharp criticism from early church theologians like Tertullian, who argued that such a view misunderstands both the incarnation and the Trinity.
3. Christology: Modalism distorts the biblical understanding of the incarnation. The orthodox doctrine holds that the Son, the second person of the Trinity, took on human nature in the person of Jesus Christ (John 1:14). In Modalism, however, the Son is not a distinct person but merely a temporary mode or manifestation of God. This diminishes the full significance of the incarnation and confuses the roles of Father and Son as revealed in Scripture.
4. Role of the Holy Spirit: In Modalism, the Holy Spirit is not a distinct person either but simply another mode or manifestation of God. This means that the personal interactions between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in Scripture—such as the baptism of Jesus (Matthew 3:16-17), where all three persons are present—are explained as different appearances of the same person, rather than the interpersonal relationships within the Godhead.

Why Modalism is Heretical​

Modalism is considered heretical by historic Christian orthodoxy for several reasons:

1. Denial of the Distinction of Persons: The primary error of Modalism is its rejection of the Trinitarian doctrine of God as one essence in three distinct persons. Scripture clearly presents the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as distinct persons who interact with one another. For example:
   
   • At Jesus’ baptism (Matthew 3:16-17), the Father speaks, the Son is baptized, and the Holy Spirit descends like a dove.
   • Jesus prays to the Father (John 17), showing a clear distinction between the two persons.
   • The Great Commission (Matthew 28:19) commands baptism in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, implying their equal authority and distinction.
   • Modalism, by collapsing these distinctions into one person who appears in different modes, contradicts the biblical revelation of the Trinity.
2. Undermining the Doctrine of the Incarnation: Modalism confuses the relationship between the Father and the Son, leading to a distorted view of the incarnation. In orthodox Christianity, the Son (not the Father or the Holy Spirit) became incarnate, taking on human flesh and dying for our sins (John 1:14; Philippians 2:6-8). Modalism blurs this distinction, which undermines the full significance of the Son’s redemptive work on the cross and the Father’s role in sending the Son.
3. Contradiction of Scripture: Scripture clearly distinguishes between the persons of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, both in the Old Testament and the New Testament. For example:
   
   • In John 1:1, we read that "the Word was with God, and the Word was God"—a distinction between the Father and the Son, even while affirming their unity in essence.
   • John 14:16-17 teaches that Jesus prays to the Father to send the Holy Spirit, the Helper, demonstrating the distinction between all three persons of the Trinity. Modalism denies or misinterprets these clear distinctions, thus falling into error.
4. Patristic Condemnations: The early church universally rejected Modalism as a heresy. Figures like Tertullian, Athanasius, and Hippolytus all wrote against it, defending the doctrine of the Trinity. The Council of Nicaea (325 AD) and the Council of Constantinople (381 AD) definitively condemned Modalism, affirming the Nicene Creed, which declares that the Son is "of the same essence" (homoousios) as the Father and that the Holy Spirit is "worshipped and glorified" together with the Father and the Son.

Historic Christian Orthodox View​

The historic Christian view of God is rooted in the doctrine of the Trinity, which affirms that God is one in essence and three in persons—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. This is the view that was articulated in the Nicene Creed and reaffirmed in subsequent church councils.

1. One God, Three Persons: The doctrine of the Trinity teaches that there is only one God (Deuteronomy 6:4), but this one God exists in three co-equal and co-eternal persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Each person of the Trinity is fully God, sharing the same divine essence, yet they are distinct in their personal relations. The Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is not the Father. They are distinct, yet they act in perfect unity.
2. Christ’s True Incarnation: Orthodox Christianity teaches that the Son—not the Father or the Holy Spirit—became incarnate as Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man, two natures in one person (John 1:14; Colossians 2:9). The incarnation is central to the Christian faith because it is through the death and resurrection of the Son that humanity is saved. Modalism’s denial of the distinct personhood of the Son undermines this crucial aspect of salvation.
3. Distinct Roles within the Godhead: While the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are united in essence, they have distinct roles in the economy of salvation. The Father sends the Son (John 3:16), the Son dies for the sins of the world (John 10:15), and the Holy Spirit applies the work of Christ to believers (John 16:13). Modalism confuses these distinct roles, collapsing them into one person and thus distorting the biblical understanding of salvation history.

Modern-Day Iterations of Modalism​

1. Oneness Pentecostalism: The most prominent modern-day example of Modalism is found in Oneness Pentecostalism, a movement that emerged in the early 20th century. Oneness Pentecostals reject the doctrine of the Trinity, teaching instead that God is one person who manifests in different modes as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. They hold that Jesus is the manifestation of the one God, denying the distinction of persons within the Godhead.
   
   Oneness Pentecostalism is considered outside of orthodox Christianity because of its denial of the Trinity and its Modalist understanding of God. Most Christian denominations, including Trinitarian Pentecostals, reject this theology as heretical.
2. Other Non-Trinitarian Movements: Modalist tendencies can also be found in other non-Trinitarian groups, though they may not always explicitly identify as Modalists. Groups that emphasize the oneness of God at the expense of the distinction of persons within the Godhead may unwittingly fall into a form of Modalism.

Conclusion​

Modalism (or Sabellianism) is a heretical view that denies the distinct persons of the Trinity—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit—by claiming that God is one person who manifests in different modes. This view was condemned by the early church as it contradicts the biblical teaching of the Trinity, the incarnation of Christ, and the personal relationship between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Modalism reappears in modern times, particularly within Oneness Pentecostalism, but it remains outside the bounds of historic Christian orthodoxy, which affirms one God in three persons, co-equal and co-eternal, sharing the same divine essence.monergism.com

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[101G]

fallacy alert.

heresy alert- oneness/ modalism/ Sabellianism

Modalism is a theological heresy that denies the Trinitarian doctrine of God as three distinct persons (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) in one essence. Instead, Modalism teaches that God is one person who manifests or appears in three different modes or forms—sometimes as the Father, sometimes as the Son, and sometimes as the Holy Spirit—rather than existing eternally as three distinct persons. Modalism is also referred to as Sabellianism, after its most prominent early proponent, Sabellius, and Patripassianism, due to its implication that the Father suffered on the cross (since there is no distinction between the Father and the Son in Modalism).

History of Modalism​

1. Early Beginnings (2nd-3rd Century): Modalism emerged in the 2nd and 3rd centuries AD during the early theological debates about the nature of God, particularly the relationship between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Early Modalists sought to defend the oneness of God but ended up doing so at the expense of the distinct persons within the Trinity.
   
   The theological landscape of the time was filled with questions about how to understand the divinity of Christ and how He relates to God the Father. Modalism was, in part, a reaction to Arianism, which argued that the Son was a created being and subordinate to the Father. In seeking to uphold the full divinity of Christ and protect the unity of God, Modalists overcorrected by rejecting the distinct personhood of the Son and the Holy Spirit, viewing them as mere modes of the one God.
2. Sabellius and Sabellianism: Sabellius, an early 3rd-century Christian theologian, was the most notable advocate of Modalism, which is why Modalism is sometimes called Sabellianism. Sabellius taught that God is a single person who manifests in three different modes at different times. He used the analogy of the sun, where God is the source (Father), light (Son), and heat (Holy Spirit), but they are not distinct entities—just different aspects of one substance.
   
   Sabellius’ views were condemned by various church leaders, including Tertullian, who coined the term Patripassianism to highlight the logical consequence of Modalism—that it would imply the Father suffered on the cross. This concept was seen as deeply problematic, as it violated the clear distinctions made between the Father and the Son in Scripture.
3. Condemnation by Early Church Councils: Modalism was strongly opposed by early church fathers such as Tertullian, Hippolytus, and later by Athanasius and others. The church councils eventually condemned Modalism as heretical because it denied the distinction of persons in the Godhead. The Council of Nicaea in 325 AD and later the Council of Constantinople in 381 AD affirmed the doctrine of the Trinity, clarifying that God is one in essence but exists as three distinct persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Modalism, by rejecting this distinction, was officially rejected by the church as incompatible with biblical teaching.
4. Influence and Recurrences: Although officially condemned, Modalism has resurfaced throughout church history in various forms. One significant modern resurgence is found in the Oneness Pentecostalism movement, which rejects the orthodox doctrine of the Trinity and teaches a form of Modalism where God is one person who reveals Himself as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in different contexts, but not as three distinct persons.

Theology of Modalism​

1. Denial of the Trinity: Modalism affirms the unity of God but at the cost of denying the distinction between the persons of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. According to Modalists, God is a single person who manifestsHimself in three different modes at different times. For instance:
   • As Father in the Old Testament,
   • As Son during the earthly life of Jesus,
   • As Holy Spirit after the ascension of Christ and in the church age.
   • These modes are not distinct persons, but rather different manifestations or roles that God takes on.
2. Patripassianism: One consequence of Modalism is the view known as Patripassianism, which means "the Father suffers." Since Modalism teaches that the Father and the Son are not distinct persons, it implies that God the Father also suffered and died on the cross, which directly contradicts orthodox Christian teaching that the Son alone suffered in His humanity. This led to sharp criticism from early church theologians like Tertullian, who argued that such a view misunderstands both the incarnation and the Trinity.
3. Christology: Modalism distorts the biblical understanding of the incarnation. The orthodox doctrine holds that the Son, the second person of the Trinity, took on human nature in the person of Jesus Christ (John 1:14). In Modalism, however, the Son is not a distinct person but merely a temporary mode or manifestation of God. This diminishes the full significance of the incarnation and confuses the roles of Father and Son as revealed in Scripture.
4. Role of the Holy Spirit: In Modalism, the Holy Spirit is not a distinct person either but simply another mode or manifestation of God. This means that the personal interactions between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in Scripture—such as the baptism of Jesus (Matthew 3:16-17), where all three persons are present—are explained as different appearances of the same person, rather than the interpersonal relationships within the Godhead.

Why Modalism is Heretical​

Modalism is considered heretical by historic Christian orthodoxy for several reasons:

1. Denial of the Distinction of Persons: The primary error of Modalism is its rejection of the Trinitarian doctrineof God as one essence in three distinct persons. Scripture clearly presents the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as distinct persons who interact with one another. For example:
   • At Jesus’ baptism (Matthew 3:16-17), the Father speaks, the Son is baptized, and the Holy Spirit descends like a dove.
   • Jesus prays to the Father (John 17), showing a clear distinction between the two persons.
   • The Great Commission (Matthew 28:19) commands baptism in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, implying their equal authority and distinction.
   • Modalism, by collapsing these distinctions into one person who appears in different modes, contradicts the biblical revelation of the Trinity.
2. Undermining the Doctrine of the Incarnation: Modalism confuses the relationship between the Father and the Son, leading to a distorted view of the incarnation. In orthodox Christianity, the Son (not the Father or the Holy Spirit) became incarnate, taking on human flesh and dying for our sins (John 1:14; Philippians 2:6-8). Modalism blurs this distinction, which undermines the full significance of the Son’s redemptive work on the cross and the Father’s role in sending the Son.
3. Contradiction of Scripture: Scripture clearly distinguishes between the persons of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, both in the Old Testament and the New Testament. For example:
   • In John 1:1, we read that "the Word was with God, and the Word was God"—a distinction between the Father and the Son, even while affirming their unity in essence.
   • John 14:16-17 teaches that Jesus prays to the Father to send the Holy Spirit, the Helper, demonstrating the distinction between all three persons of the Trinity. Modalism denies or misinterprets these clear distinctions, thus falling into error.
4. Patristic Condemnations: The early church universally rejected Modalism as a heresy. Figures like Tertullian, Athanasius, and Hippolytus all wrote against it, defending the doctrine of the Trinity. The Council of Nicaea (325 AD) and the Council of Constantinople (381 AD) definitively condemned Modalism, affirming the Nicene Creed, which declares that the Son is "of the same essence" (homoousios) as the Father and that the Holy Spirit is "worshipped and glorified" together with the Father and the Son.

Historic Christian Orthodox View​

The historic Christian view of God is rooted in the doctrine of the Trinity, which affirms that God is one in essence and three in persons—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. This is the view that was articulated in the Nicene Creed and reaffirmed in subsequent church councils.

1. One God, Three Persons: The doctrine of the Trinity teaches that there is only one God (Deuteronomy 6:4), but this one God exists in three co-equal and co-eternal persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Each person of the Trinity is fully God, sharing the same divine essence, yet they are distinct in their personal relations. The Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is not the Father. They are distinct, yet they act in perfect unity.
2. Christ’s True Incarnation: Orthodox Christianity teaches that the Son—not the Father or the Holy Spirit—became incarnate as Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man, two natures in one person (John 1:14; Colossians 2:9). The incarnation is central to the Christian faith because it is through the death and resurrection of the Son that humanity is saved. Modalism’s denial of the distinct personhood of the Son undermines this crucial aspect of salvation.
3. Distinct Roles within the Godhead: While the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are united in essence, they have distinct roles in the economy of salvation. The Father sends the Son (John 3:16), the Son dies for the sins of the world (John 10:15), and the Holy Spirit applies the work of Christ to believers (John 16:13). Modalism confuses these distinct roles, collapsing them into one person and thus distorting the biblical understanding of salvation history.

Modern-Day Iterations of Modalism​

1. Oneness Pentecostalism: The most prominent modern-day example of Modalism is found in Oneness Pentecostalism, a movement that emerged in the early 20th century. Oneness Pentecostals reject the doctrine of the Trinity, teaching instead that God is one person who manifests in different modes as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. They hold that Jesus is the manifestation of the one God, denying the distinction of persons within the Godhead.
   
   Oneness Pentecostalism is considered outside of orthodox Christianity because of its denial of the Trinity and its Modalist understanding of God. Most Christian denominations, including Trinitarian Pentecostals, reject this theology as heretical.
2. Other Non-Trinitarian Movements: Modalist tendencies can also be found in other non-Trinitarian groups, though they may not always explicitly identify as Modalists. Groups that emphasize the oneness of God at the expense of the distinction of persons within the Godhead may unwittingly fall into a form of Modalism.

Conclusion​

Modalism (or Sabellianism) is a heretical view that denies the distinct persons of the Trinity—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit—by claiming that God is one person who manifests in different modes. This view was condemned by the early church as it contradicts the biblical teaching of the Trinity, the incarnation of Christ, and the personal relationship between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Modalism reappears in modern times, particularly within Oneness Pentecostalism, but it remains outside the bounds of historic Christian orthodoxy, which affirms one God in three persons, co-equal and co-eternal, sharing the same divine essence.monergism.com

hope this helps !!!

LOL, LOL, LOL, so, we can take this as you cannot acknowledge that the Lord Jesus is the "Father". let this verse be a witness against you, 2 Corinthians 6:18 "And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty."

Good day.... (smile)....

101G.

 

[civic]

LOL, LOL, LOL, so, we can take this as you cannot acknowledge that the Lord Jesus is the "Father". let this verse be a witness against you, 2 Corinthians 6:18 "And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty."

Good day.... (smile)....

101G.

Nope the Father is not the Son just like you are not the same person as your father.

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