Refuting effectually caused faith

[civic]

First you ignored addressing why God had to harden these men to prevent belief

John 12:40 (NASB95) — 40 “HE HAS BLINDED THEIR EYES AND HE HARDENED THEIR HEART, SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND PERCEIVE WITH THEIR HEART, AND BE CONVERTED AND I HEAL THEM.”

According to your theology, he did not need to do anything.

second there is noting in the text of Luke 8:13 which states their belief was fake

Down goes TD lol

 

[brightfame52]

First you ignored addressing why God had to harden these men to prevent belief

John 12:40 (NASB95) — 40 “HE HAS BLINDED THEIR EYES AND HE HARDENED THEIR HEART, SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND PERCEIVE WITH THEIR HEART, AND BE CONVERTED AND I HEAL THEM.”

According to your theology, he did not need to do anything.

second there is nothing in the text of Luke 8:13 which states their belief was fake

You still dont get it the Jn 12:40 could not believe vs 39 and all men are born spiritually blind, thats depravity, and if you not elect, when the Gospel comes God is sending it to make their condemnation worse. God stiffens their hearts against the Gospel.

When the Gospel comes to the non elect, its not so they might believe, but so they can make their condemnation worse.

See the more you hear, the greater your condemnation for unbelief Lk 1246-48

46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

All unbelievers are condemned, but some more than others

 

[TomL]

You still dont get it the Jn 12:40 could not believe vs 39 and all men are born spiritually blind, thats depravity, and if you not elect, when the Gospel comes God is sending it to make their condemnation worse. God stiffens their hearts against the Gospel.

When the Gospel comes to the non elect, its not so they might believe, but so they can make their condemnation worse.

See the more you hear, the greater your condemnation for unbelief Lk 1246-48

46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

All unbelievers are condemned, but some more than others

That makes no sense at all.

Why does God have to harden men so they will not believe and be saved?

John 12:40 (NASB95) — 40 “HE HAS BLINDED THEIR EYES AND HE HARDENED THEIR HEART, SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND PERCEIVE WITH THEIR HEART, AND BE CONVERTED AND I HEAL THEM.”

 

[brightfame52]

That makes no sense at all.

Why does God have to harden men so they will not believe and be saved?

John 12:40 (NASB95) — 40 “HE HAS BLINDED THEIR EYES AND HE HARDENED THEIR HEART, SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND PERCEIVE WITH THEIR HEART, AND BE CONVERTED AND I HEAL THEM.”

I know it doesnt make sense to you. Now when God sent Moses to Pharoah and he was to tell him He wants the king to let His People go, was it Gods will for pharaoh to obey or disobey His command ? Think aout it b4 you answer.

 

[TomL]

I know it doesnt make sense to you. Now when God sent Moses to Pharoah and he was to tell him He wants the king to let His People go, was it Gods will for pharaoh to obey or disobey His command ? Think aout it b4 you answer.

You did not answer what was asked

Why does God have to harden men so they will not believe and be saved?

John 12:40 (NASB95) — 40 “HE HAS BLINDED THEIR EYES AND HE HARDENED THEIR HEART, SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND PERCEIVE WITH THEIR HEART, AND BE CONVERTED AND I HEAL THEM.”

 

[brightfame52]

You did not answer what was asked

You failed to understand my reponse

 

[TomL]

You failed to understand my reponse

You dodged my question

Why does God have to harden men so they will not believe and be saved?

John 12:40 (NASB95) — 40 “HE HAS BLINDED THEIR EYES AND HE HARDENED THEIR HEART, SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND PERCEIVE WITH THEIR HEART, AND BE CONVERTED AND I HEAL THEM.”

It has nothing to do with Moses or pharaoh.

 

[brightfame52]

You dodged my question

Why does God have to harden men so they will not believe and be saved?

John 12:40 (NASB95) — 40 “HE HAS BLINDED THEIR EYES AND HE HARDENED THEIR HEART, SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND PERCEIVE WITH THEIR HEART, AND BE CONVERTED AND I HEAL THEM.”

It has nothing to do with Moses or pharaoh.

You failed to understand my response