Refuting effectually caused faith

[TomL]

You failed to understand my response, and those cannot believe in Christ Vs 39

Your response lacked any answer to the question.

Why did God have to harden anyone so they would not believe?

John 12:39–40 (KJV 1900) — 39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, 40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

 

[brightfame52]

Your response lacked any answer to the question.

Why did God have to harden anyone so they would not believe?

John 12:39–40 (KJV 1900) — 39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, 40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

You failed to understand my response, and those cannot believe in Christ Vs 39

Jn 12:39

39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,

This means they dont have the ability to believe, which is an proof the mans freewill philosophy's are bogus

 

[TomL]

You failed to understand my response, and those cannot believe in Christ Vs 39

Jn 12:39

39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,

This means they dont have the ability to believe, which is an proof the mans freewill philosophy's are bogus

You ignored the reason they could not believe

40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them

this is typical of how you handle scripture.

 

[brightfame52]

You ignored the reason they could not believe

40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them

this is typical of how you handle scripture.

You failed to understand my response, and those cannot believe in Christ Vs 39

Jn 12:39

39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,

This means they dont have the ability to believe, which is an proof the mans freewill philosophy's are bogus, Vs 40 compliments Vs 30 duh

 

[TomL]

You failed to understand my response, and those cannot believe in Christ Vs 39

Jn 12:39

39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,

This means they dont have the ability to believe, which is an proof the mans freewill philosophy's are bogus, Vs 40 compliments Vs 30 duh

Duh because he hardened them

Hello

40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them

so they could not believe

Why would God need to harden someone so they cannot believe when your theology insists all are born incapable of believing unless God regenerates them first?

 

[brightfame52]

Duh because he hardened them

Hello

40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them

so they could not believe

Why would God need to harden someone so they cannot believe when your theology insists all are born incapable of believing unless God regenerates them first?

You failed to understand my response earlier, and those cannot believe in Christ Vs 39

Jn 12:39

39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,

This means they dont have the ability to believe, which is an proof the mans freewill philosophy's are bogus, Vs 40 compliments Vs 30 duh

 

[TomL]

You failed to understand my response earlier, and those cannot believe in Christ Vs 39

Jn 12:39

39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,

This means they dont have the ability to believe, which is an proof the mans freewill philosophy's are bogus, Vs 40 compliments Vs 30 duh

Still ignoring how this was brought about

John 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them

so they could not believe

Why would God need to harden someone so they cannot believe when your theology insists all are born incapable of believing unless God regenerates them first?

Thus you continue running from the issue

 

[brightfame52]

Still ignoring how this was brought about




Thus you continue running from the issue

You failed to understand my response earlier, and those cannot believe in Christ Vs 39

Jn 12:39

39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,

This means they dont have the ability to believe, which is an proof the mans freewill philosophy's are bogus, Vs 40 compliments Vs 30 duh Those in Vs 40 were the non elect in Israel who are blinded Rom 11:7

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

Were blinded, passive voice, its the same word pōroō in Jn 12:40

He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

 

[TomL]

You failed to understand my response earlier, and those cannot believe in Christ Vs 39

Jn 12:39

39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,

This means they dont have the ability to believe, which is an proof the mans freewill philosophy's are bogus, Vs 40 compliments Vs 30 duh Those in Vs 40 were the non elect in Israel who are blinded Rom 11:7

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

Were blinded, passive voice, its the same word pōroō in Jn 12:40

He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

You still run from verse 40

John 12:40 (NASB95) — 40 “HE HAS BLINDED THEIR EYES AND HE HARDENED THEIR HEART, SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND PERCEIVE WITH THEIR HEART, AND BE CONVERTED AND I HEAL THEM.”

 

[TomL]

You failed to understand my response earlier, and those cannot believe in Christ Vs 39

Jn 12:39

39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,

This means they dont have the ability to believe, which is an proof the mans freewill philosophy's are bogus, Vs 40 compliments Vs 30 duh Those in Vs 40 were the non elect in Israel who are blinded Rom 11:7

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

Were blinded, passive voice, its the same word pōroō in Jn 12:40

He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

You still run from verse 40

John 12:40 (NASB95) — 40 “HE HAS BLINDED THEIR EYES AND HE HARDENED THEIR HEART, SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND PERCEIVE WITH THEIR HEART, AND BE CONVERTED AND I HEAL THEM.”

 

[brightfame52]

You still run from verse 40

John 12:40 (NASB95) — 40 “HE HAS BLINDED THEIR EYES AND HE HARDENED THEIR HEART, SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND PERCEIVE WITH THEIR HEART, AND BE CONVERTED AND I HEAL THEM.”

You failed to understand my response earlier, and those cannot believe in Christ Vs 39

Jn 12:39

39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,

This means they dont have the ability to believe, which is an proof the mans freewill philosophy's are bogus, Vs 40 compliments Vs 30 duh Those in Vs 40 were the non elect in Israel who are blinded Rom 11:7

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

Were blinded, passive voice, its the same word pōroō in Jn 12:40

He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

 

[brightfame52]

You still run from verse 40

John 12:40 (NASB95) — 40 “HE HAS BLINDED THEIR EYES AND HE HARDENED THEIR HEART, SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND PERCEIVE WITH THEIR HEART, AND BE CONVERTED AND I HEAL THEM.”

, Vs 40 compliments Vs 39 duh Those in Vs 40 were the non elect in Israel who are blinded Rom 11:7

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

Were blinded, passive voice, its the same word pōroō in Jn 12:40

He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

 

[TomL]

, Vs 40 compliments Vs 39 duh Those in Vs 40 were the non elect in Israel who are blinded Rom 11:7

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

Were blinded, passive voice, its the same word pōroō in Jn 12:40

He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

Why was such necessary to prevent belief

You do not answer

John 12:40 (NASB95) — 40 “HE HAS BLINDED THEIR EYES AND HE HARDENED THEIR HEART, SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND PERCEIVE WITH THEIR HEART, AND BE CONVERTED AND I HEAL THEM.”

 

[TomL]

You failed to understand my response earlier, and those cannot believe in Christ Vs 39

Jn 12:39

39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,

This means they dont have the ability to believe, which is an proof the mans freewill philosophy's are bogus, Vs 40 compliments Vs 30 duh Those in Vs 40 were the non elect in Israel who are blinded Rom 11:7

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

Were blinded, passive voice, its the same word pōroō in Jn 12:40

He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

Why did God harden them to prevent belief if they had no ability to believe

You consistently ignore this

John 12:40 (NASB95) — 40 “HE HAS BLINDED THEIR EYES AND HE HARDENED THEIR HEART, SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND PERCEIVE WITH THEIR HEART, AND BE CONVERTED AND I HEAL THEM.”

 

[brightfame52]

Why was such necessary to prevent belief

You do not answer

John 12:40 (NASB95) — 40 “HE HAS BLINDED THEIR EYES AND HE HARDENED THEIR HEART, SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND PERCEIVE WITH THEIR HEART, AND BE CONVERTED AND I HEAL THEM.”

You failed to understand my response earlier,

 

[TomL]

You failed to understand my response earlier,

Why was such necessary to prevent belief

You do not answer

John 12:40 (NASB95) — 40 “HE HAS BLINDED THEIR EYES AND HE HARDENED THEIR HEART, SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND PERCEIVE WITH THEIR HEART, AND BE CONVERTED AND I HEAL THEM.”

 

[brightfame52]

Why was such necessary to prevent belief

You do not answer

John 12:40 (NASB95) — 40 “HE HAS BLINDED THEIR EYES AND HE HARDENED THEIR HEART, SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND PERCEIVE WITH THEIR HEART, AND BE CONVERTED AND I HEAL THEM.”

You failed to understand my response earlier,

 

[TomL]

You failed to understand my response earlier,

Your response ignored this

Why was such necessary to prevent belief

John 12:40 (NASB95) — 40 “HE HAS BLINDED THEIR EYES AND HE HARDENED THEIR HEART, SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND PERCEIVE WITH THEIR HEART, AND BE CONVERTED AND I HEAL THEM.”

Why did God need to take action when your theology holds man has no ability to believe.

 

[brightfame52]

Your response ignored this




Why did God need to take action when your theology holds man has no ability to believe.

You failed to understand my response earlier,

 

[TomL]

You failed to understand my response earlier,

Wil you run forever?

Why did God need to take action when your theology holds man has no ability to believe?