Do you believe these words -
Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 2 Timothy 2:10
Do you believe God wants the elect to also obtain salvation?
Redeemed from unbelief !
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Do you believe these words -
Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 2 Timothy 2:10
Do you believe God wants the elect to also obtain salvation?
brightfame52
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Sure it ensures everyone Jesus gave Himself for be redeemed from all iniquity and purified unto good works. So if one never experiences it, Christ didnt give Himself for them, its just that simple.
brightfame52
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Another word salad without addressing the truth that the scriptures teach.
God desires for the elect to also receive salvation.
Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 2 Timothy 2:10
brightfame52
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He *might*. You left out the word "might". That was merely His intent. So it might not end up that all get redeemed.
Titus 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
brightfame52
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I already commented on that friend.
brightfame52
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The elect are redeemed unto God, from unbelief unto believing and Faith in God 1 Pet 1:18-21
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation[unbelief] received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
Belief in the True God and Faith in Christ are purchased redemptive blessings for the elect. Its impossible for them to remain in false religions in unbelief of the True God and Jesus Christ whom He has sent to redeem them.
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation[unbelief] received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
Belief in the True God and Faith in Christ are purchased redemptive blessings for the elect. Its impossible for them to remain in false religions in unbelief of the True God and Jesus Christ whom He has sent to redeem them.
brightfame52
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The scripture certainly teaches us that God in Christ does rescue His People, them for whom Christ died, from unbelief and ignorance, by stating deliverance from darkness. Darkness symbolizes spiritual ignorance and unbelief. Remember how Paul testified that he acted in opposition towards Christ and the Church in ignorance and unbelief 1 Tim 1:13
13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
In spiritual matters of Christ ignorance and unbelief are joined at the hip, and ignorance also represents darkness.
So God in Christ rescues His Elect from the darkness and ignorance of unbelief by His effectual call and He aught to be praised and thanked for , in opposition to those who were appointed to disobedience, God called/rescued His elect out of darkness into the Marvelous light not doubt of the Gospel 1 Pet 2:8-9
8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
See God left certain ones in disobedience and darkness in Vs 8, but the Chosen of His, He called them out of darkness, disobedience, unbelief and ignorance, and shined in their hearts the Light of the Gospel 2 Cor 4:4
13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
In spiritual matters of Christ ignorance and unbelief are joined at the hip, and ignorance also represents darkness.
So God in Christ rescues His Elect from the darkness and ignorance of unbelief by His effectual call and He aught to be praised and thanked for , in opposition to those who were appointed to disobedience, God called/rescued His elect out of darkness into the Marvelous light not doubt of the Gospel 1 Pet 2:8-9
8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
See God left certain ones in disobedience and darkness in Vs 8, but the Chosen of His, He called them out of darkness, disobedience, unbelief and ignorance, and shined in their hearts the Light of the Gospel 2 Cor 4:4
Behold
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No one is redeemed from Unbelief.
No one is caused, made, or forced, to be born again.
No one is born again in sin, so that they can THEN have faith in Christ.
God is not a Calvinist.
Jesus is not a Calvinist
The Holy Spirit is not a Calvinist
Paul is not a Calvinist
The Bible does not teach Calvinism.
Christians lead people to Christ.
Calvinist's lead people to Calvin.
Believers are redeemed from SIN., after they give God THEIR Faith, in Christ, and their faith is "counted by God, as (Christ's) Righteousness.""
No one is caused, made, or forced, to be born again.
No one is born again in sin, so that they can THEN have faith in Christ.
God is not a Calvinist.
Jesus is not a Calvinist
The Holy Spirit is not a Calvinist
Paul is not a Calvinist
The Bible does not teach Calvinism.
Christians lead people to Christ.
Calvinist's lead people to Calvin.
Believers are redeemed from SIN., after they give God THEIR Faith, in Christ, and their faith is "counted by God, as (Christ's) Righteousness.""
brightfame52
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@Behold
Absolutely false, when they are delivered from the power of darkness Col 1:13-14
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Vs 14 they were redeemed
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Absolutely false, when they are delivered from the power of darkness Col 1:13-14
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Vs 14 they were redeemed
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Behold
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They (the Believer) is redeemed the instant they give GOD Their = faith......in Christ.
God is not looking for His, He's looking for ours.
The Beleiver has "redemption through the blood and forgiveness" just as soon as Their "faith is counted by God".
God is not looking for His faith.
He's looking for ours.
brightfame52
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They are given Faith when delivered from the power of darkness and ignorance and unbelief. Until that deliverance takes place we remain under the power of darkness. You must believe man delivers himself from the power and kingdom of darkness.
Behold
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Paul teaches that every person ever born has "the measure of faith">.
That is Romans chapter 12. (KJV)
How do you know this is true?
Its because everyone has FAITH in something, or someone.
Muslims have FAITH in Muhammed.
Tom Cruise has FAITH in Scientology.
Atheist's have faith that God does not exist.
See their "faith??
They were born with it, as its innate.
What God requires is that we place OUR FAITH.......in Christ.
Anyone can, but not everyone will..........tho everyone could, and everyone should, and God's will is that everyone does..
Hell is waiting for everyone who didn't, and dies., for the last 2000 yrs.
brightfame52
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I dont know what you talking about, some tirade. Look God delivers, rescues the redeemed from the power and kingdom of darkness and unbelief Col 1:13
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Before that, men are under the power of satan and his kingdom and unbelief 2 Cor 4:3-4
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Acts 26:18
18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
One cant believe who has not had their spiritual eyes open, and turned from darkness and the power of satan,
Jesus Christ must redeem us out of this darkness and power of satan, to be able to believe and convert to God
