I just wanted to know if that was the case with anyone of us so that we can take appropriate actions to remedy that. Thanks for that clarification.
Paul's Theology #2 "Rightly divide"
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You do realize that at the moment that Paul wrote those words there was no NT. So "Paul's doctrines" were actually not his doctrines. They were OT doctrines that he was proclaiming and announcing.
Behold
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Not correct.
See, Paul's Epistles were in the Hands of the Churches that He planted, and that is nearly every Epistle.
Corinthians
Ephesisans
Galatians
All of these and more are "local bodies of Christ' that Paul created, in those areas, and They had Paul's letters (copies), as did Peter and the Apostles..
So, these letters, are Scripture, are doctrine, that later were assembled into a New Testament, so that the entire body of Christ, could have Paul's doctrine.
If you read Peter's 2 epistles, You'll find that Peter has Paul's letters and refers to them ALREADY.... at that time... "pre-NT", as "Scripture".
This is one of the original 12 that Jesus walked with, who is describing the letters of a non-original Apostle as : SCRIPTURE. = to the "Torah".
Behold
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Jesus chose this "apostle to the gentiles", to deliver "church doctrine".
Paul is very specific about that and told His disciples and us, to tend to this ""doctrine.""
Paul said that "no man" gave it to him, but it came from Jesus, Himself.
So, when we want to understand how to understand the NT, and how to walk in perfected discipleship, we turn to the one who wrote the doctrine for the Church, and who told us he had "finished his course" and said..>"be a follower of Me, as i follow Christ".
Now, Paul is not saying "worship" or "idolize" me.. He is saying.."im your example"... "emulate me" = "follow".
EclipseEventSigns
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You have a very faulty understanding of the timeline of when the letters of the New Testament were written and in what order. They aren't arranged in order of oldest to newest in the common English New Testament.
Behold
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You like to post what you can't prove, .... and pretend your game of "gotcha" is a reason for you to be on the Forum.
Let me show you something, @EclipseEventSigns ...... and i hope you realize that you don't have to pay me for all this, i show you. You dont have to buy my commentaries, or pay me to come to my classes.
I'm teaching some 1st year Seminary here......in all my Threads and Posts, and its all for free, ... no charge........as that is my GIFT to people whom God loves and so do i.
You keep that in mind...
Now....One of the reasons that it can be that a verse one apostle writes, seems to contradict something that another one wrote..
1.) You are not rightly dividing the word.
But, it can also be.. that the Apostle at the time they wrote a verse, that seems to contradict.....is because at the time they wrote it, they didnt have all the revelation that they would have later.
I'll give you an example.
In Acts 2, .. You have Peter preaching both John the Baptist's baptism, and Christ on the Cross.
So, that is all he knew at that time........to do.
10 Yrs later, God is showing Peter.... in Acts 10..... that Gentiles can be saved, as Peter didnt know that in Acts 2.
And in Acts 15, Peter is now talking about GRACE.......and that is because all the Apostles got together with Paul, and from that, they were all finally on the same page, theologically.
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Complete
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'But rise, and stand upon thy feet:
for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose,
to make thee a minister
and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen,
and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;'
(Act 26:16)
Hello @Behold,
I agree with what you say: the doctrines that Paul delivered, were not His own, but what He Himself received from the risen Christ.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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EclipseEventSigns
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Nothing that you wrote disproves anything that I said. No "gotcha". Just the truth. And just because your icon has "Jesus" as an image, does not somehow make you the expert on subjects.
Behold
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Here is something interesting to understand.
Paul said that Jesus delivered to Him... .the Gospel....
Then, Paul said that this Gospel, is "MY Gospel"... 3x in the New Testament.
Multiple Churches were already planted and thriving decades before Paul's first Epistle was even written, let alone even distributed to all those Churches. The Churches already had Apostolic structure decades before Paul's first Epistle. How does that historical fact fit in with your way of thinking?
Complete
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'But I certify you, brethren,
that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
For I neither received it of man,
neither was I taught it,
but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.'
(Gal 1:11-12)
Hello again, @Behold,
Yes, Paul does say that what he ministered was 'My' gospel. I agree, for it was given to him from the risen Christ. He was not taught by man.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus,
Chris
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EclipseEventSigns
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Do you even know what the word "gospel" means? Substitute "good news" everywhere where it occurs. The meaning becomes clear and does not imply what you think it implies.
Behold
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I dont Teach, to disprove.
I Teach to reveal.
See, im not some carnal baby who comes to a forum everyday and night, to try to "win" an argument.
God knows that there are enough of these diaper christians who do nothing for God in real life, , and all they do is park and preach on forums some argument they learned from their cult or cult commentary.
Its sickening, its harmful to real believers,, and its a faith killer regarding a new Christian who stumbles into one of these forums..... but that is what a "christian" forum, allows, and often, its all that its really able to produce.
Im grateful that this one, is not a Calvin worshiping theological sewer, as that is what many of them have become... unfortunately.
So, what i do, is expose heresy, so that the real student of the word, can discern, and in this, they learn who is truth and who is false, and what is Theologically right and what isnt'.
The real student of the word of God, will come to understand that the way you find out what is TRUE, is to learn how to discern what is NOT true.
And what i do for believers, on forums is Teach Paul's Doctrine, and i Preach Christ Crucified, as this is the LIGHT of Revelation, that allows someone to find it, and begin to exist there... and remain.
EclipseEventSigns
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Yes, and I read what people write and compare it with Scripture. And a lot of what you write misses the mark. And you will be continually called out when you do that. Even if you do not like it. Because, again, just because you use an image of Christ to give authority to your writing, you are not speaking in the authority of Jesus.
Behold
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That word "gospel" is meaningless, unless its taught as "God's Grace", as then it becomes CHRISTianity.
See, let me show you..
Last Saturday, 8 days ago... A Gospel of Islam, was commanding Human ARAB devils to burn and behead Jewish Babies, and slaughter old Jewish women, among others.
They were obeying their Muslim "Gospel".. as there are many Gospels, and all are cursed, save for one.
Galatians 1:8
EclipseEventSigns
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Well, then you truly do NOT understand how the word is used by the authors of the New Testament.
Behold
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You can't quote anything by me that proves Edit by admin.... @EclipseEventSigns I don't understand how you can say "your continued lying innuendo" It's not a name Or using a derogatory remark
That's a fact.
Believe it.
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EclipseEventSigns
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I have. That's a fact.
