Paul's Theology #2 "Rightly divide"

[Behold]

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Reader, ...

1.) The bible is not a Novel. Its not pulp-fiction. Its not a news paper. Its not a dictionary.

It is the Final Authority that was leading the world to God before you were born, and after they bury you or cremate you, the Bible will still be here, leading the World to God, and showing the world their SIN and their Unrighteousness.

The Bible is living spiritual words that are revealed by the Spirit , and they must be "rightly divided", like this...
= "Spiritually Discerned".

To do this,.... = its 2 parts..

1.) You have to be spiritually born again, and that is not "water baptized"...

2.) You have to be trained (discipled) by someone who is able to "rightly divide".

3.) This Teacher has to be a devoted student of Paul's Theology, and if your "teacher" does not have this Theological core, then get another Teacher who does.

2.) The reason there are 200 Denominations in the USA and about 45,000 Denominations in the World, is often caused...by people who are not saved, who started a denomination. OR this situation is started by people who are saved, were taught terrible theology, and this became one more denomination, one more "christian cult".

Now......I have a REVELATION for you Reader..

A.) THERE are NO Denominations in Heaven

So, what is "right theology"? ???

A.). Its what Paul teaches as "sound doctrine".

And what does Paul teach?

He teaches the literal doctrine for the Body of Christ.
And where did He get it?
Paul said ""i learned it from no man"", but was taught by Jesus Himself. = Not only the Gospel, but the doctrine for the body of Christ.

Jesus said that Paul is a "Chosen Vessel"....That HE Selected, to be the deliverer of not onlyu the Gospel of the Grace of God, but, doctrine for the body of Christ.
This is why Paul wrote 13 Epistles.

What is Paul's Doctrine????

These for example, (some) are give by Paul as "doctrine" and as instruction in righteousness. They all come from PAUL the "apostle to the Gentiles" and we are in the "time of the Gentiles'.. right now, reader.

The Gospel of the Grace of God.
The Gifts of the Spirit
How to choose a Pastor, Deacon
How to start a Church
How to understand Giving
How to perfect your Discipleship
How to become "as many as be Perfect"
How to come to the "fullness of the Stature of Christ".
How to understand what is going on in the "time of the gentiles".
How do deal with your congregation.
How to deal with Heretics
How to deal with your marriage relationship, and your children.
How to teach the word of God.
How to disciple a new convert.
How to deal with the Devil.
How to Walk in the Spirit
How to come into the renewed mind of real faith.
How to work out your Salvation.
How to put on the full armor of God.
How to understand what it means to be born again.

And on and on.. .This all comes from Paul's epistles, and doctrine.

3.) So, let me show THE BORN AGAIN.... a few spiritual nuggets so that you can use these when trying to study the scriptures, so that you can receive their Light.

Reader.

The #1 reason that a born again believer is very Theologically confused, is because the person who taught them is the same...or worse.
And it can be that their teacher, that your teacher, who wrote the commentaries that you use instead of Paul's Epistles.... is not even a Christian, but is a "false minister of righteousness".

Now...Here is a nugget. = God's ministers and the Devil's ministers, both teach RIGHTEOUSNESS in commentaries, in Pulpits, On TV, and on "christian" forums, and online "christian" sites.

Note now the difference....

1.) God's ministers teach "the Righteousness of God" = that came from and through Christ on the Cross, and is THE "Gift of Righteousness" that you received by Faith.

2.) Satan's ministers, teach "SELF... righteousness".... They teach... "Do'ism"... "Self effort"... "commandment keeping".. "Law keeping".... and anything that has you trying to SELF PERFORM, to gain and maintain God's acceptance.

3.) God's Gospel is the Gospel of Grace. This is "The preaching of the Cross of Christ."
The Devil's Gospel is the Gospel of water and works.. in place of "The GIFT of Salvation"

God and God's Ministers want you to receive what Christ has finished for you on the Cross. = "the GIFT of Salvation"

4.) The Devil, and His Ministers want you to work for it and try to attain it, and try not to LOSE IT>... by SELF SELF SELF.... Effort.

And here is another more nugget for you..

4.) The #2 reason that a "Christian" is Theologically broken, faith ruined, and in the dark instead of walking in the Light, is because they do not and can not yet "rightly divide" the verses in the NT, most especially.
This means, that they do not have the developed spiritual "discernment" capacity to understand that some verses in the NT, are not for the Body of Christ as "Doctrine" or revelation.
So, when you dont understand this, you will read the bible as if all the verse are trying to get you do something or be something, and in fact, some of them are not even talking to you at all. Not directed to the born again.... at all.

Reader, those Apostles who wrote those NT epistles, were PREACHERS. And sometimes their verses are preaching or teaching UNBELIEVERS, often HEBREW unbelievers... Unsaved JEWS... (Hebrews).
And when you take one or some of those verses and apply it to yourself, then you have created such a confusion in your thinking and regarding your own FAITH and belief system, that it can be very difficult to find your way BACK from such a mental Theological stronghold.

Here is nugget #3.

All NEW TESTAMENT verses have to be viewed by the BELIEVER, in the LIGHT of the CROSS.

In the LIGHT>. .of The Cross..

This means, you have to read the verse and discern if it matches what God has done through Christ on the Cross, or if it seems to deny it, or reject it, or oppose it.
And when you find verses that do not Agree with The Grace of God, that is THE GIFT of Salvation,...... then these verses are not talking to the body of Christ, doctrinally.

And where are many of them found? ???????
They are usually found when JESUS is talking to the JEWS, before He is Crucified.. And on a few occasion, Jesus is speaking prophetically to the Apostles about the Trib/Grt Trib.
Sometimes those verses are found in 1 John, and also in some of Paul's epistle to the Hebrews.

So,.....READER.... always realize that Christ came to the House of Israel, before the Cross was raised...., and after the Cross was raised, He sent PAUL "the apostle to the Gentiles"... to give, to teach, what the Born again are to understand as "doctrine for the Body of CHRIST" "in the TIME of the Gentiles"....< that was not yet created, before Jesus was Crucified.

See that?
If you can get that revelation, then God can begin to show you the divisions in the NT, that are the "rightly dividing" that is the Spiritual Fruit that comes by "Study to show yourself approved unto God".....

Reader.....That is so very important for you to understand... as you have to read the NT, in LIGHT Of the Cross, understanding what i'm teaching you, or a cult that does not "rightly divide" the word of God, will have you completely deceived and you'll not know it, as that is how deception works..
See, if you KNEW you were deceived, (some of you)... then you would stop being Deceived......(those of you who are).
It can be that what im showing you, is going to now open your Spiritual Eyes., that have been closed by a deceiver or a Cult.

And, what im teaching you, is not "opinion".

Now, read these 2 partial verses, and decide to do it, or decide that you wont.., but you have to do what these 2 verses tell you, or you will never come into "all that be PERFECT" regarding your discipleship or your Theology.

1.) "Establish your heart with GRACE".... Hebrews 13:9

2.) Paul teaches.. "Be a follower of ME, as i follow Christ"... and that does not mean worship.....it means to learn HIS Doctrine, HIS Gospel, HIS Discipleship, and have it as your own. 1 Corinthians 11:1


-blessings.

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[Diserner]

The day there are no differences in the Body of Christ is the day there is no sin nature in man.

We should in fact, expect it, and we see it even among the most spiritual in Paul and Peter.

The hard part is maintaining a true attitude of love and sorting out what is essential.

 

[Behold]

The day there are no differences in the Body of Christ is the day there is no sin nature in man.

We should in fact, expect it, and we see it even among the most spiritual in Paul and Peter.

The hard part is maintaining a true attitude of love and sorting out what is essential.

If you've noticed that there are 45,000 denominations.

Yet there is only "one Body of Christ".. "one Faith.. "one Baptism"...

So what is the issue that is causing 45,000 different denominations, that all disagree?
What is causing all the fighting on "christian" forums?

Its very simple, Reader..

there is "rightly dividing the word", that is based on... "he that is SPIRITUAL, judges all things" and the "word of God, (The Bible), is Spiritually discerned"..

So, when its instead READ , vs being studied and "spiritually discerned" then you get this..."wrongly dividing the word".., and that is if the reader is born again....

So, imagine how many of the 45, 000 denominations are started and keep going, and the person who started them, is not born again.
And the members are not born again, and their Theology, is anti-Cross, which makes it anti-Christ.

its a lot of work just to keep true believers, born again, away from "doctrines of devils", when you have so much of this, on forums, and in pulpits, as cult theology that "sounds like" truth, and isn't.

This is why we have to study Paul's doctrine, as He is the one who brings us to the Armor of God and sound doctrine.

Its a must do reader, as Hebrews 13:9, tells us that "doctrines of devils" will get you every time, if you do not get your BIBLE RIGHT.

And Paul is the way you do that.... and stay there.

Most "believers" are commentary obsessed, and online site obsessed, and "church fathers" obsess, while the Light Of God, is collecting Dust on their shelf, for years.

 

[Rockson]

And Paul is the way you do that.... and stay there.

Just wondering. You keep focusing on Paul. What about the other Apostles like Peter, John, and what about James?

Most "believers" are commentary obsessed, and online site obsessed, and "church fathers" obsess, while the Light Of God, is collecting Dust on their shelf, for years.

Can be a problem true......you're teachings too would go along the lines of commentary as well right?

 

[JonC]

Why do you post a second commandment violation as your avatar, if you are going to offer us instruction???

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

I think your writing haven't actually rightly divided the word. So good reminder to test ever

 

[Behold]

Just wondering. You keep focusing on Paul.

This is because only Paul was sent by Jesus, as the "apostle to the Gentiles" in the "time of the Gentiles".

Are you a gentile?

We , the body of Christ" are in the "time of the Gentiles".

See, its Paul who wrote "church doctrine". Not the other apostles.
Its Paul who met with all the Apostles in Acts 15, and showed them what was going on, "in the time of the Gentiles'.

If you read Acts 10, that is 10 Yrs after Pentecost.... You'll find that the Apostle Peter, does not even know that gentiles can be saved.
Read it.
God had to give Peter a vision, so that Peter could begin to understand what PAUL was doing down here.

Its Paul's Gospel, that we preach, as "the Gospel of the Grace of God", that Paul referred to as "MY Gospel", 3x in the NT.

Its Paul who told us, "be a follower of ME.... as i follow Jesus"... and that means, its MY Doctrine, it my Christianity that is THE way that the believer is to BECOME.

If you read Peter's Epistles, you will find that Peter had Paul's letters, and said that they were equal to the TORAH...
Peter said that Paul's letters were SCRIPTURE....and that was before Paul's epistles were put in a NT.

 

[Rockson]

This is because only Paul was sent by Jesus, as the "apostle to the Gentiles" in the "time of the Gentiles".

Are you a gentile?

We , the body of Christ" are in the "time of the Gentiles".

See, its Paul who wrote "church doctrine". Not the other apostles.

I have great respect for Paul. God used him in a mighty way but I'd suggest you can put an over emphasis on Paul that scripture doesn't warrant. The other Apostles had revelation truth as well and Jesus even said they did. See Matt 16:17 And then we read this below,

Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. Acts 2:41-42, KJV

Its Paul who met with all the Apostles in Acts 15, and showed them what was going on, "in the time of the Gentiles'.

The way you're using this term "the time of the Gentiles" if you're imposing into that God is going to only use an Apostle specifically sent to them as the sole source of God's revelation truth I'd say you've went too far.

If you read Acts 10, that is 10 Yrs after Pentecost.... You'll find that the Apostle Peter, does not even know that gentiles can be saved.
Read it.

Don't have to. I've known that for well over 10 years. But one thing you'll notice.....it was not Paul who actually taught that to Peter. Now Behold, I'd encourage you to read this, Acts 10: 4-35

You'll see there Peter fell into a trance and saw a vision of the unclean animals. God told him, not Paul, but God told Peter that the Gentiles could be saved. So that's revelation of truth and doctrine that God was using Peter as well not just Paul. And we can find other things as well. Yes Paul had received much revelation but you can't just say I'm of Paul and not of Peter. I'd suggest to you God did use all of them.

 

[Behold]

The way you're using this term "the time of the Gentiles" if you're imposing into that God is going to only use an Apostle specifically sent to them as the sole source of God's revelation truth I'd say you've went too far.

Thank you for your opinion.

Im not posting opinion, and you'd do well to study what im teaching, vs, just analyzing it according to how you feel about it.

Paul said He's the apostle to the Gentiles.
Paul said that the Gospel that we are to preach is "my Gospel"... = Paul's Gospel., and that is not Acts 2:38
Jesus said He chose Paul for this Purpose.
Paul wrote the doctrine for the body of Christ
Paul said to follow Him as He follows Christ.
Paul taught the Apostles, in Acts 15, what im showing you.

So, you can feel about that, as you will.
That's on you.

Find more of Paul's Doctrine here...... @Rockson

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/jesus-is-our-sanctification.946/

 

[Rockson]

God had to give Peter a vision, so that Peter could begin to understand what PAUL was doing down here.

Are you meaning the vision in Acts 10? I don't see where Paul was even mentioned.

Its Paul who told us, "be a follower of ME.... as i follow Jesus"... and that means, its MY Doctrine, it my Christianity....

No I wouldn't say it means that at all. "be a follower of me as I follow Christ" can be said by all believers.....it's just a saying as I lead by example do the same.

 

[Behold]

Are you meaning the vision in Acts 10?

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Acts 10:9-11​

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Peter’s Vision :​

9 About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, PETER went up on the roof to pray. 10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13 Then a voice told him, “Get up, PETER. Kill and eat.”​

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This is God showing Peter that what God has made clean "the gentiles, thorough the blood of Jesus", is what Peter had to learn.​

As PETER didnt know any of this in ACTS 2:38.

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Paul was taught this REVELATiON = by Jesus Himself.​

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Paul helped all the apostles to fully understand "the gospel of the GRACE of God" , in Acts 15​

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[Rockson]

Thank you for your opinion.

Im not posting opinion, and you'd do well to study what im teaching,

I have been studying out and thinking about what you've said really no need to suggest that I haven't. As for you're not posting your opinion it's just not safe for one to consider that everything you're saying is absolute truth. People need to consider an odd thing you're saying could be just your opinion.

vs, just analyzing it according to how you feel about it.

That's not a wrong thing to seek to get a feel about what could be considered to be truth and I'm not talking about basic fundamental things. Paul the Apostle actually said that same, although he didn't use the word "feel" but it meant the same thing in 1 Cor 7:12 when he said this

statement, "I not the Lord" He admitted there there might be an odd thing where he couldn't say it would be truth absolute coming from God but he felt it was. I side in with him that it was but he never came out and tried to impose that it absolutely was and again not speaking of fundamental issues. I could hardly believe even with you Behold that there aren't things you have a feel that are true but you're not sure. Same goes with me and all others (and not about fundamental issues)

 

[Behold]

I have been studying out and thinking about what you've said really no need to suggest that I haven't. As for you're not posting your opinion it's just not safe for one to consider that everything you're saying

I just showed you that Peter, in Acts 10, was CLUELESS regarding Paul's Gospel.

Who else can show you that?
Who else has shown you that?

"well behold, what you teach.... is.... well.....its seems so true, but, its not what my pastor, mother, brother, online site or commentary has shown me'.

Yes i know.
That's why im here on the Forum.
That's why im on every forum that will allow Paul's Gospel.

That's not opinion.

Listen, im not going to lie to you.

Read any of my posts or Threads.

They are all CROSS CENTERED... They are all PAUL's Doctrine.

Read my "run from these" LIST..... this Thread.

It'll show you who is the LIAR, and who you need to avoid.

You wont find me teaching Acts 2:38, or Mary as a Perpetual virgin.
You wont find me teaching that Jesus only started your salvation, and now its ON YOU to try stay saved.
I dont teach Satanic John Calvinism.
i dont teach that water is required for Salvation, or that water "washes away your sin".
I dont teach that Mary is "co-equal" with Jesus, in Heaven, helping people get saved, down here.

Go here..

Romans 3:21-28.

Thats what im showing you. That is the basics, regarding Paul's Gospel.

And the reason you "never heard that", is because in these last days, the TRUE Gospel is hidden, and water and works and John Calvinism, are its replacement . = Galatians 1:8

 

[Rockson]

Paul said He's the apostle to the Gentiles.

Yes absolutely.

Paul said that the Gospel that we are to preach is "my Gospel"... = Paul's Gospel., and that is not Acts 2:38

But the doctrines in Acts 2:38 were still apart of what the church was built upon. And we also see Peter received revelation in Acts 10 about the Gentiles that Paul had also received. I'd say you need to pull back and realize God wasn't building the church upon one man Paul.....and what only God has given him.....and I believe Paul would tell you the same thing. Don't say I'm of Paul, or Apollos ....if one get's into that it becomes an unhealthy way of looking at the saints of God.

For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?

Even Paul didn't want people saying they are of him. Or any other saint of God. They were to be of only Christ

Jesus said He chose Paul for this Purpose.

He was chosen to be an Apostle to the Gentiles yes.

Paul wrote the doctrine for the body of Christ

I don't believe Paul would have such an exclusive opinion of himself. He recognized the other Apostles were given revelations from God too and when they were right he acknowledged they had things from the Lord too.

Paul taught the Apostles, in Acts 15, what im showing you.

Hold it right there! Paul did NOT do that exclusively like you say, Read the following from Acts 15,

Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. 8And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. Acts 15:7.11

So it wasn't Paul who went down and taught them this. He was a part of the mix of affirming this to be true but Peter was the one who even started with his statements. Then we read the following after Peter spoke,

Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.13And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me: 14Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. Acts 15: 12

So, you can feel about that, as you will.
That's on you.

I can only hope that you'll begin to feel that maybe you've gone a little bit too far by putting one Apostle over another as Jesus doesn't want us to think that way. Look I've liked and found true many of the things you've said about other things.....I just consider you're a little bit imbalanced on this one specific issue.

 

[Rockson]

I just showed you that Peter, in Acts 10, was CLUELESS regarding Paul's Gospel.

I've known Peter didn't have an understanding that the Gentiles could be saved. But what my point is you don't focus and assert this is Paul's Gospel. Whose gospel is it? It's Jesus gospel and Jesus doesn't exalt any human servant that they're to be considered someone like the greatest in the Kingdom of God.

It was Jesus, not Paul who gave Peter the vision in Acts 10. I'm looking for a way to express this but it seems that you're trying to make Paul the Apostle like the Pope of Christianity and Paul would NEVER have wanted anybody to do that.

"well behold, what you teach.... is.... well.....its seems so true, but, its not what my pastor, mother, brother, online site or commentary has shown me'.

But I'm not going by everything a commentary says. You yourself Behold are giving commentary. You therefore should appreciate that I'm not just going to take your assessments as gospel.

Listen, im not going to lie to you.

And much appreciated if you wouldn't. But because I or others may not agree 100% with everything you say that doesn't mean we think you're lying to us. I accept you're telling the truth as you see it.

 

[Rockson]

This is God showing Peter that what God has made clean "the gentiles, thorough the blood of Jesus", is what Peter had to learn.​

Yes I agree.

As PETER didnt know any of this in ACTS 2:38.

Again I agree.

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Paul was taught this REVELATiON = by Jesus Himself.​

Yes OK I agree.

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Paul helped all the apostles to fully understand "the gospel of the GRACE of God" , in Acts 15​

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But Jesus revealed the same thing to Peter in Acts 10. And I've already shared the passage from Acts 15 that Peter rose up in the midst as the highlight speaker and told them what Jesus in the vision had shown him about the Gentiles. My point is just don't say we're to follow Paul in some exclusive sense.

 

[Behold]

Yes absolutely.

But the doctrines in Acts 2:38

What Peter preached is not a doctrine.

He was a Jew Apostle, preaching to JEWS at a Jewish Feast.

He is preaching "John the baptist baptism for Jew" + the Cross..

This is because Peter had no revelation that Gentiles could be saved, and He had not been taught "The Gospel of the Grace of God" yet.

However, 15 yrs, after Acts 2, Paul met Peter and helped them to all get the revelation.

 

[Behold]

Even Paul didn't want people saying they are of him.

"Be a follower of Me, as i follow Christ" is not a request.

Also, its not asking for worship.

 

[Behold]

Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. 8And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. Acts 15:7.11

Yes, Peter is speaking about Acts 10, where God showed Him that the gentiles could be saved. (He didnt know this in Acts 2:38)

And noticed that peter speaks about a "yoke"... on the 'disciples" and that is Moses Law and commandment keeping.

So, when Peter speaks about Grace, He is teaching "Paul's Gospel".. not Acts 2:38

 

[Behold]

But Jesus revealed the same thing to Peter in Acts 10.

Peter was not taught the Gospel of the Grace of God, in Acts 10.
He was only shown that Gentiles could be saved.

its Paul who was shown by Jesus Himself, the Gospel of the Grace of God.

Galatians 1

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ. New Living Translation I received my message from no human source, and no one taught me. Instead, I received it by direct revelation from Jesus Christ. English Standard Version For I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ. Berean Standard Bible I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ. Berean Literal Bible For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but by a revelation of Jesus Christ. King James Bible For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ. New King James Version For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ. New American Standard Bible For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ. NASB 1995 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ. NASB 1977 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ.