Open Debate on the "Eternal Sonship vs Incarnate Sonship which is biblical?"

[101G]

These are the FACTS, either some one in a delusion, or bought into a lie. scripture, 2 Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:"

and he, God had already warned us, Isaiah 66:4 "I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not."

101G.

 

[101G]

Hebrews 2:10-11 teaches that we are “brothers” of Jesus and “sons of God” and Jesus is never ashamed to call us such. Hebrews is making a distinction between God and Jesus that is very important and that we lose if we think Jesusis God. We would be “brothers of God” if that were the case, but we clearly are not that. A Trinitarian explanation is that we are brothersof the man part of Jesus, but that is adding to the text. The Bible nowhere says or implies anything like that. In John 14:12, Jesus told his disciples that “whoever believes in me will als odo the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do.” If Jesus was God, then his statement would be a commission for us to do greater works than God—which is not possible. Jesus would have had to have the attributes of God if he was God, and most theologians agree that some of God’s attributes are unoriginated, self-existent, immortal, all wise, all good, all-powerful and omnipresent. But Jesus had none of those attributes.

• He was not unoriginated. Christ was the only begotten Son of God (John 3:16).
• He was not self-existent. “I live because of the Father” (John 6:57).
• He was not immortal. Jesus died and God resurrected Him (Acts 13:30).
• He was not all wise. Jesus “grew in wisdom” (Luke 2:52).
• He was not all-powerful. Christ said “the Son can do nothing by Himself” (John 5:19).
• He was not omnipresent. Jesus said after Lazarus died “I am glad I was not there” (John 11:15).

how can one teach? Hebrews 5:12 "For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat." Hebrews 5:13 "For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe." Hebrews 5:14 "But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."

101G.

 

[101G]

@Peterlag
this is what Hebrews speaking of, "He was not all-powerful. Christ said “the Son can do nothing by Himself” (John 5:19)." did you not read Phil. 2:6 especially 7? the answer is right there.

101G.

 

[FreeInChrist]

Why stay and argue with IGNORANCE?

101G.

Bye.

 

[Peterlag]

@Peterlag
this is what Hebrews speaking of, "He was not all-powerful. Christ said “the Son can do nothing by Himself” (John 5:19)." did you not read Phil. 2:6 especially 7? the answer is right there.

101G.

The answer is not right there. Philippians 2:7 does not say he emptied himself of his Godhood.

 

[101G]

Bye.

adiós, thank God. ... next.... (smile)

101G.

 

[101G]

The answer is not right there. Philippians 2:7 does not say he emptied himself of his Godhood.

Listen and Learn, Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:"
no reputation: G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') v.
1. to make empty.
2. (figuratively) to abase, neutralize, falsify.
[from G2756]
KJV: make (of none effect, of no reputation, void), be in vain
Root(s): G2756

Hebrews 2:9 "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man."

101G.

 

[101G]

@Peterlag
Note, Hebrews 2:9 "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man."

since the Lord Jesus was Made a little lower than the angels, deductive reasoning, dictates he had to be ... "HIGHER" than the angels in order to be made Lower than the angels. and there are only three entities, God, Angels and humans. and since he, Jesus was made lower than the angels, this means then he is ..... "GOD". just use simple reasoning.

101G.

 

[Peterlag]

@Peterlag
Note, Hebrews 2:9 "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man."

since the Lord Jesus was Made a little lower than the angels, deductive reasoning, dictates he had to be ... "HIGHER" than the angels in order to be made Lower than the angels. and there are only three entities, God, Angels and humans. and since he, Jesus was made lower than the angels, this means then he is ..... "GOD". just use simple reasoning.

101G.

If I make a chair lower than the table. That does not mean that once the chair was higher than the table.

 

[101G]

If I make a chair lower than the table. That does not mean that once the chair was higher than the table.

LOL, LOL, LOL, that's the best you can come up with? so you don't believe the scriptures then? thought so. this is the IGNORANCE 101G speak about.

101G.

 

[FreeInChrist]

If I make a chair lower than the table. That does not mean that once the chair was higher than the table.

It could mean the chair was of equal height to the table.

 

[FreeInChrist]

@Peterlag
Note, Hebrews 2:9 "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man."

since the Lord Jesus was Made a little lower than the angels, deductive reasoning, dictates he had to be ... "HIGHER" than the angels in order to be made Lower than the angels. and there are only three entities, God, Angels and humans. and since he, Jesus was made lower than the angels, this means then he is ..... "GOD". just use simple reasoning.

101G.

@101G
this is obne of the rare times I agree with what you are saying, especially to Peter... how ever....I know you are not in lacking for words... you should explain the reason why, and how that was accomplished.

NO, I wont because you won't agree with my conclusions and I am not part of this back and forth.

But so far you are spot on.

 

[101G]

you should explain the reason why, and how that was accomplished.

since 101G is not for back and forth, 101G agree. but, one word will sum it up... "Diversity", it's there in Revelation 22:16. hidden, but in plain sight through out the bible.

take care,

101G.

 

[FreeInChrist]

since 101G is not for back and forth,

This is the funniest comment you have ever made, and I sure do need a laugh to start my day

101G agree. but, one word will sum it up... "Diversity", it's there in Revelation 22:16. hidden, but in plain sight through out the bible.

Alrighty then, @101G has spoken.

Not the word I would have used... but interesting.

take care,

101G.

 

[101G]

This is the funniest comment you have ever made, and I sure do need a laugh to start my day

Glad it helps you, for laughter is good for the soul at times, but as said,

Not the word I would have used... but interesting.

"Diversity".... in Ordinal designations as First and Last in Isaiah or Revelation, or Root and Offspring, per Revelation 22:16?

or the Father and the Son.... (smile). yes, that one Word is the game changer in any doctrine.

101G thank God that he gave it to me. so, 101G will end it here, don't want to go back and forth..... (smile).

101G.

 

[FreeInChrist]

so, you cannot answer either. it's ashamed, some just talk and cannot ANSWER, BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW. example, when 101G ask you who sits on the throne in Revelation chapter 4 and 5, you said both, Father and Son, and was caught when 101G ask "who then is the Lamb that stand before the throne, caught again.

Ummm. @civic is correct because you asked the wrong question.

You should have asked if the one(s) on the throne in heaven are permanently in position with either Gorilla Glue or Alien Tape
or if they are moving about.

You know that Jesus , once ascended into heaven has His glorified body. Makes it real easy for him to stand before the throne.... don't you think? [Jesus received his glorified body at the moment of his resurrection, three days after his crucifixion. This transformation marked the beginning of his eternal life in a perfected state.]

the scriptures are correct, 2 Thessalonians 2:10 "And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." 2 Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:" 2 Thessalonians 2:12 "That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

so, Good day to you too,

101G.

STOP Do not reply as we are not going back and forth......... as to the other we are not going back and forth my only comment is diversity misses the mark when it comes to Jesus being made a little lower then the angels.

I am done... no more comments.

 

[101G]

To all,
@civic, @Peterlag.
Revelation 5:1 "And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals." Revelation 5:2 "And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?" Revelation 5:3 "And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon." Revelation 5:4 "And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon." Revelation 5:5 "And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof."

Revelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth." Revelation 5:7 "And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne."

"he", the Lamb came and took the book out of the right hand of "him" that sat upon the throne. ........he and him.
question, "is not "he", the Lamb, the same person who is "him" that sat upon the throne?" 101G say YES, (smile), but do you agree.? yes or no.

101G.

 

[Peterlag]

To all,
@civic, @Peterlag.
Revelation 5:1 "And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals." Revelation 5:2 "And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?" Revelation 5:3 "And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon." Revelation 5:4 "And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon." Revelation 5:5 "And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof."

Revelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth." Revelation 5:7 "And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne."

"he", the Lamb came and took the book out of the right hand of "him" that sat upon the throne. ........he and him.
question, "is not "he", the Lamb, the same person who is "him" that sat upon the throne?" 101G say YES, (smile), but do you agree.? yes or no.

101G.

The book of Revelation does not teach that Jesus is God or even deal with Christianity. It's a book written in parables and figures of speech based on the customs and culture of Israel that deal with what will concern Israel in the future.

 

[101G]

The book of Revelation does not teach that Jesus is God

it do

It's a book written in parables and figures of speech based on the customs and culture of Israel that deal with what will concern Israel in the future.

another ERROR of the Day,

now can you agree or disagree with 101G's question..... only a yes or no is required.

101G.

 

[Peterlag]