Open Debate on the "Eternal Sonship vs Incarnate Sonship which is biblical?"

[101G]

These are the FACTS, either some one in a delusion, or bought into a lie. scripture, 2 Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:"

and he, God had already warned us, Isaiah 66:4 "I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not."

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[101G]

Hebrews 2:10-11 teaches that we are “brothers” of Jesus and “sons of God” and Jesus is never ashamed to call us such. Hebrews is making a distinction between God and Jesus that is very important and that we lose if we think Jesusis God. We would be “brothers of God” if that were the case, but we clearly are not that. A Trinitarian explanation is that we are brothersof the man part of Jesus, but that is adding to the text. The Bible nowhere says or implies anything like that. In John 14:12, Jesus told his disciples that “whoever believes in me will als odo the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do.” If Jesus was God, then his statement would be a commission for us to do greater works than God—which is not possible. Jesus would have had to have the attributes of God if he was God, and most theologians agree that some of God’s attributes are unoriginated, self-existent, immortal, all wise, all good, all-powerful and omnipresent. But Jesus had none of those attributes.

• He was not unoriginated. Christ was the only begotten Son of God (John 3:16).
• He was not self-existent. “I live because of the Father” (John 6:57).
• He was not immortal. Jesus died and God resurrected Him (Acts 13:30).
• He was not all wise. Jesus “grew in wisdom” (Luke 2:52).
• He was not all-powerful. Christ said “the Son can do nothing by Himself” (John 5:19).
• He was not omnipresent. Jesus said after Lazarus died “I am glad I was not there” (John 11:15).

how can one teach? Hebrews 5:12 "For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat." Hebrews 5:13 "For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe." Hebrews 5:14 "But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."

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[101G]

@Peterlag
this is what Hebrews speaking of, "He was not all-powerful. Christ said “the Son can do nothing by Himself” (John 5:19)." did you not read Phil. 2:6 especially 7? the answer is right there.

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[FreeInChrist]

Why stay and argue with IGNORANCE?

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Bye.

 

[Peterlag]

@Peterlag
this is what Hebrews speaking of, "He was not all-powerful. Christ said “the Son can do nothing by Himself” (John 5:19)." did you not read Phil. 2:6 especially 7? the answer is right there.

101G.

The answer is not right there. Philippians 2:7 does not say he emptied himself of his Godhood.

 

[101G]

Bye.

adiós, thank God. ... next.... (smile)

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[101G]

The answer is not right there. Philippians 2:7 does not say he emptied himself of his Godhood.

Listen and Learn, Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:"
no reputation: G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') v.
1. to make empty.
2. (figuratively) to abase, neutralize, falsify.
[from G2756]
KJV: make (of none effect, of no reputation, void), be in vain
Root(s): G2756

Hebrews 2:9 "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man."

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[101G]

@Peterlag
Note, Hebrews 2:9 "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man."

since the Lord Jesus was Made a little lower than the angels, deductive reasoning, dictates he had to be ... "HIGHER" than the angels in order to be made Lower than the angels. and there are only three entities, God, Angels and humans. and since he, Jesus was made lower than the angels, this means then he is ..... "GOD". just use simple reasoning.

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[Peterlag]

@Peterlag
Note, Hebrews 2:9 "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man."

since the Lord Jesus was Made a little lower than the angels, deductive reasoning, dictates he had to be ... "HIGHER" than the angels in order to be made Lower than the angels. and there are only three entities, God, Angels and humans. and since he, Jesus was made lower than the angels, this means then he is ..... "GOD". just use simple reasoning.

101G.

If I make a chair lower than the table. That does not mean that once the chair was higher than the table.

 

[101G]

If I make a chair lower than the table. That does not mean that once the chair was higher than the table.

LOL, LOL, LOL, that's the best you can come up with? so you don't believe the scriptures then? thought so. this is the IGNORANCE 101G speak about.

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