civic
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false dichotomy question fallacy
Open Debate on the "Eternal Sonship vs Incarnate Sonship which is biblical?"
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civic
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i did just like Jesus and the Apostles would answer your silly questions
civic
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you sound just like the pharisees asking Jesus questions
praise_yeshua
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I had him pegged as a "Jesus Onlyist" but I don't think he really knows that position.
You're right about this discombobulated nonsense he's peddling as an answer.
101G
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look quit stalling for time, when 101G said Christ made nothing in the beginning, that answered the deity question for christ, but you had no clue as to what 101G said... did you? you make the statement, "See how that works? Treat me like you treat yourself". well 101G answered you and you had no clue that you received an answer. but that's ok.
when 101G said Christ created nothing, that's relative to christ none deity..... Oh boy.
but look, stay in darkness, because you cannot answer.
Good day,
101G.
101G
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so, you cannot answer either. it's ashamed, some just talk and cannot ANSWER, BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW. example, when 101G ask you who sits on the throne in Revelation chapter 4 and 5, you said both, Father and Son, and was caught when 101G ask "who then is the Lamb that stand before the throne, caught again.you sound just like the pharisees asking Jesus questions
the scriptures are correct, 2 Thessalonians 2:10 "And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." 2 Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:" 2 Thessalonians 2:12 "That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."
so, Good day to you too,
101G.
civic
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he is a modalist and maybe a hybrid jesus only too
praise_yeshua
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I would loosely group together. They can't keep up the "charade" in trying to be distinctly different at times.
praise_yeshua
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Ah. Getting on your nerves......
I'll paste it again.
Joh 16:32 Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me.
Verses like this really destroy your position. If what you say is true, then God is just playing a game relative to manifestations of the same Person.
I can't think like this. It is crazy to think this way and actually believe that this "manifestation" you believe in is wholesome and perfect.
praise_yeshua
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FreeInChrist
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Me thinks he needs the answer to give somewhere else or to someone else and he does not know.i did just like Jesus and the Apostles would answer your silly questions
Peterlag
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John 10:30 does not say I am Jesus and I'm also God. John 10:30 is not a teaching on the trinity or that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God. There is no reason to take this verse to mean that Christ was saying that he and the Father make up "one God." The phrase was a common one, and even today if someone used it, people would know exactly what they meant... he and his Father are very much alike. When Paul wrote to the Corinthians about his ministry there, he said that he had planted the seed and Apollos had watered it. Then he said, "... he who plants and he who waters are one..." (1 Corinthians 3:8 NKJV). In the Greek texts, the wording of Paul is the same as that in John 10:30, yet no one claims that Paul and Apollos make up "one being." Christ uses the concept of "being one" in other places, and from them one can see that "one purpose" is what is meant. John 11:52 says Jesus was to die to make all God's children "one." In John 17:11, 21 and 22, Jesus prayed to God that his followers would be "one" as he and God were "one." I think it's obvious that Jesus was not praying that all his followers would become one being in "substance" just as he and his Father were one being or "substance." I believe the meaning is clear: Jesus was praying that all his followers be one in purpose just as he and God were one in purpose.
FreeInChrist
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Make up your mind. No one has ever said, that I ever read that If Jesus is God that proves the Trinity.
Face it. If Jesus, Himself, came doen here and smacked you upside your head and said I am he. I am God... you would just tell him he isn't and proceed with an explanation.
I and the Father are one. (John 10:30) i WHO said this????????????????????????????????????????????????
As I recall you are so adamant that you and your wife are not one.... maybe it was said by a Jesus wannabe?
Peterlag
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My mind has never changed.
101G
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AS FOR GETTING ON 101gG'S NERVES? NO, 101G WILL NOT WASTE HIS TIME WITH IGNORANCE.
now speaking on "WITH" listen and try to understand. your scripture you gave, Joh 16:32 "Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me". you cannot see your own IGNORANCE. let 101G open your EYES. WITH, Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." .... see the "WITH" .... there, is this two persons? no, because, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." and "ALSO" means, in addition; too. so how can he be alone? did you not read... 2 Corinthians 5:19 "To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation."
my God, this is just 2 easy not to understand. NOW THINK, P.Y. .... IF GOD WAS IN, IN, IN, CHRIST, THEN CHRIST IS NOT GOD. FOR CHRIST IS FLESH AND BLOOD. my God man think.
101G.
101G
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civic
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Projecting
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Peterlag
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Hebrews 2:10-11 teaches that we are “brothers” of Jesus and “sons of God” and Jesus is never ashamed to call us such. Hebrews is making a distinction between God and Jesus that is very important and that we lose if we think Jesusis God. We would be “brothers of God” if that were the case, but we clearly are not that. A Trinitarian explanation is that we are brothersof the man part of Jesus, but that is adding to the text. The Bible nowhere says or implies anything like that. In John 14:12, Jesus told his disciples that “whoever believes in me will als odo the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do.” If Jesus was God, then his statement would be a commission for us to do greater works than God—which is not possible. Jesus would have had to have the attributes of God if he was God, and most theologians agree that some of God’s attributes are unoriginated, self-existent, immortal, all wise, all good, all-powerful and omnipresent. But Jesus had none of those attributes.
- He was not unoriginated. Christ was the only begotten Son of God (John 3:16).
- He was not self-existent. “I live because of the Father” (John 6:57).
- He was not immortal. Jesus died and God resurrected Him (Acts 13:30).
- He was not all wise. Jesus “grew in wisdom” (Luke 2:52).
- He was not all-powerful. Christ said “the Son can do nothing by Himself” (John 5:19).
- He was not omnipresent. Jesus said after Lazarus died “I am glad I was not there” (John 11:15).
