No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

[brightfame52]

Awe @brightfame52 . you seem to delight in confusing me

You confusing yourself

 

[brightfame52]

John 6:44 states, "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him." This verse emphasizes that it is God who invites individuals to Jesus.

Drawing to Christ is not a invitation, you made that up. The drawing is a conversion to Christ.

 

[civic]

Drawing to Christ is not a invitation, you made that up. The drawing is a conversion to Christ.

the drawing to Christ is not conversion, you made that up.

 

[FreeInChrist]

Drawing to Christ is not a invitation, you made that up. The drawing is a conversion to Christ.

Why do people who are predestined have to be converted to Christ.

They are predestined ergo according to Ai Search Assist

In the context of predestination, those who are predestined by God are considered saved, as this doctrine teaches that God has chosen certain individuals for salvation before the foundation of the world.

THEY ARE PREDESTINED> THEY ARE THE ELECT> THEY ARE SAVED> WHAT ARE THEY BEING CONVERTED TO AND FROM WHAT?

@brightfame52 , I promise you I will let this drop here but I want you to read the following that I just saw and thought it could be helpful to explain....

Predestination vs. Jesus’ Salvation and Free Will - Walk With Scripture

What does the Bible say about predestination and free will? Does God predestine salvation, or do we choose Christ? Discover biblical answers.

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Common Questions

Predestination vs. Jesus’ Salvation and Free Will: What Does the Bible Say?​

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Walk with Scripture
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February 9, 2025

1. Does the Bible Teach Predestination?​

The Bible does teach predestination, but it is not an arbitrary selection of individuals. Rather, God predetermined a plan—that all who obey the gospel through faith, repentance, baptism, and faithful living would be saved.

Biblical Evidence for God’s Sovereign Plan:​

• Romans 8:29-30 (ESV):
  “For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son… And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.”
• Ephesians 1:5 (ESV):
  “He predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will.”

What Does This Mean?​

• God did not predestine individuals to be saved or lost regardless of their choices.
• Instead, God predestined a group—those who obey the gospel—to receive salvation.
• Those who conform to the image of Christ (Romans 8:29) are the predestined.

Thus, God’s plan was determined before creation, but each individual must choose to follow Christ by responding to His call.

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2. Does the Bible Teach Free Will?​

Yes! Throughout Scripture, God calls people to make choices, showing that He has given mankind the ability to obey or reject His will.

Biblical Evidence for Free Will:​

• Deuteronomy 30:19 (ESV):
  “I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live.”
• Joshua 24:15 (ESV):
  “And if it is evil in your eyes to serve the Lord, choose this day whom you will serve.”
• Acts 2:38 (ESV):
  “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”

What Does This Mean?​

• The gospel invitation is extended to all people (Matthew 11:28; 2 Peter 3:9).
• Individuals must respond by choosing to believe, repent, confess Christ, be baptized, and remain faithful.
• Salvation is conditional, meaning that even after receiving Christ, we must continue walking in obedience (Revelation 2:10).

God’s will is for everyone to be saved, but not all will choose to follow Him (Matthew 7:13-14).

 

[brightfame52]

the drawing to Christ is not conversion, you made that up.

Yes it is a conversion, they already been reconciled to God by the Death of Christ Rom 5:10. See the death of Christ and the lifting up of Christ in Jn 12:32 are the same thing.

 

[brightfame52]

Why do people who are predestined have to be converted to Christ.

Rabbit trail

 

[FreeInChrist]

Rabbit trail

Is a scarecrow the same as a strawman?

I think maybe on that rabbit trail it is....

 

[civic]

Rabbit trail

you are good at them.

 

[TomL]

No it's not

If it's not a common error

It's an uncommon error, then.

 

[TomL]

The all Christ draws, He converts to Himself, and all of Salvation is by Grace.

Nope as drawing does not necessitate faith


The Greek word for “drawn” is used in the LXX in Neh 9:30… (esdras 19:30) and that group of Israelites, though drawn by God to the opportunity to obey Him, did not do it.



Nehemiah 9:30 (YLT)

30 `And Thou drawest over them many years, and testifiest against them by Thy Spirit, by the hand of Thy prophets, and they have not given ear, and Thou dost give them into the hand of peoples of the lands,

The Hebrew word for “drawn” used in Neh 9:30 is also used in Hos 11:4-5, which again is showing that Israel was “drawn” by God with love to Himself, but they refused Him. Brian Wagner




Jeremiah 31:3–4 (KJV 1900)

3 The Lord hath appeared of old unto me, saying,

Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love:

Therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.

4 Again I will build thee, and thou shalt be built, O virgin of Israel:

Thou shalt again be adorned with thy tabrets,

And shalt go forth in the dances of them that make merry.