No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

[TomL]

That ridicules

“Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved.” Acts 16:31.
Believe in the Lord Jesus is to have faith in Him

In Christianity, the belief that faith comes before salvation is a central tenet; it posits that an individual's belief and trust in Jesus Christ are the necessary, albeit insufficient, human means through which God grants salvation. This perspective emphasizes faith as an act of receiving salvation and trusting in Christ, rather than a means of earning it, with good works being a subsequent manifestation of that genuine faith. AI

Indeed, it is rather difficult to see how someone could hold his view.

“Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved.” Acts 16:31.

 

[brightfame52]

Again, not if you believe scripture.

Salvation is before faith otherwise we can't hear or believe

 

[TomL]

Salvation is before faith otherwise we can't hear or believe

Again, not if you believe scripture.


John 3:16For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.
Acts 16:31And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household!”
Rom 10:9–10that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation.
Eph 2:8–9For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so that no one can boast.
Mark 16:16The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who refuses to believe will be condemned.
1 John 5:13These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life.
John 5:24Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
John 6:47Truly, truly I say to you, the one who believes has eternal life.

Why do you replace the word of God with the word of man?

 

[civic]

Salvation is before faith otherwise we can't hear or believe

Nope either way you divide the verse you are wrong

Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved.” Acts 16:31.

you will be saved when you Believe in the Lord Jesus

 

[brightfame52]

That ridicules

No it's not. Yes if he believes in the Lord after hearing the word he would be saved, believing is evidence . Be saved there is in the passive voice indicative mood, his believing showed he was in a saved state. So his act of believing didn't make him get saved, showed he had been saved. God probably regenerated him during the earthquake in prison

 

[TomL]

Jesus is saying man naturally lacks spiritually the will and ability to believe in Him, so really, He talks against the man made doctrine of man's so called freewill. Man has not the ability because by nature he is dead in sin, dead to everything that is Spiritual 1 Cor 2:14. In the flesh, we as men are spiritually deaf, blind and sit in darkness Isa 42:7

Nope

Romans 10:6–13 (LEB) — 6 But the righteousness from faith speaks like this: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ down), 7 or “Who will descend into the abyss?” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8 But what does it say? “The word is near to you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim), 9 that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord is Lord of all, who is rich to all who call upon him. 13 For “everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved.”

The bolded portion indicates they can

and that if you confess and believe, you will be saved.

 

[brightfame52]

Nope either way you divide the verse you are wrong

Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved.” Acts 16:31.

you will be saved when you Believe in the Lord Jesus

He was saved first in order to believe, so if he believes it is evidence of salvation

 

[Theophilus]

No it's not. Yes if he believes in the Lord after hearing the word he would be saved, believing is evidence . Be saved there is in the passive voice indicative mood, his believing showed he was in a saved state. So his act of believing didn't make him get saved, showed he had been saved. God probably regenerated him during the earthquake in prison

Yes it is

“Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved.” Acts 16:31.
Believe in the Lord Jesus is to have faith in Him

In Christianity, the belief that faith comes before salvation is a central tenet; it posits that an individual's belief and trust in Jesus Christ are the necessary, albeit insufficient, human means through which God grants salvation. This perspective emphasizes faith as an act of receiving salvation and trusting in Christ, rather than a means of earning it, with good works being a subsequent manifestation of that genuine faith. AI

 

[brightfame52]

Yes it is

No it's not you have been taught wrong

 

[civic]

Yes it is

“Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved.” Acts 16:31.
Believe in the Lord Jesus is to have faith in Him

In Christianity, the belief that faith comes before salvation is a central tenet; it posits that an individual's belief and trust in Jesus Christ are the necessary, albeit insufficient, human means through which God grants salvation. This perspective emphasizes faith as an act of receiving salvation and trusting in Christ, rather than a means of earning it, with good works being a subsequent manifestation of that genuine faith. AI

Yep

 

[Theophilus]

No it's not you have been taught wrong

I don't think so. And you have no clue as to what I have been taught.

 

[TomL]

He was saved first in order to believe, so if he believes it is evidence of salvation

You ignored the order

Acts 16:31 (LEB) — 31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household!”

 

[FreeInChrist]

Salvation is before Faith

And baby before Sex. (ie Joseph and Mary)

What other points can be made from the 4 corners of the Holy Scriptures that emphasize the cart before the horse?

 

[FreeInChrist]

He was saved first in order to believe, so if he believes it is evidence of salvation

So if???????????????????????????????????? You mean he might not.....

THIS IS WHAT YOU SAID

 

[brightfame52]

I don't think so. And you have no clue as to what I have been taught.

On the particular thing we just disagreed on l do

 

[FreeInChrist]

No it's not you have been taught wrong

YOU most certainly have

 

[brightfame52]

And baby before Sex. (ie Joseph and Mary)

What other points can be made from the 4 corners of the Holy Scriptures that emphasize the cart before the horse?

Salvation is before faith. Jesus said he that is of God hears the words of God Jn 8:47 that is a saved person

 

[brightfame52]

So if???????????????????????????????????? You mean he might not.....

THIS IS WHAT YOU SAID

If he is saved he will believe. Only the saved can believe Jn 6 44

 

[TomL]

If he is saved he will believe. Only the saved can believe Jn 6 44

Not what the passage states

John 6:44–45 (KJV 1900) — 44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

Every man who believed (heard and learned) the word that is from God comes to Christ.

 

[civic]

YOU most certainly have

yep

its the old cart before the horse syndrome.