There is no mention of the elect in that verse
John 12:32–33 (LEB) — 32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.” 33 (Now he said this to indicate by what sort of death he was going to die.)
No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !
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John 12:32–33 (LEB) — 32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.” 33 (Now he said this to indicate by what sort of death he was going to die.)
brightfame52
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The all is the elect
It does not say that, so you are reading into scripture.
brightfame52
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It means that. He only died for the elect. The lifting up on the Cross was only for the elect or His Sheep Jn 10
Sorry, your assumptions are not a standard of truth.
John 12:32 (KJV 1900) — 32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
brightfame52
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The all are the Sheep from Jn 10
Nope
John 12:32 (YLT) — 32 and I, if I may be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto myself.’
brightfame52
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Yes it is all the Sheep He just talked about in Jn 10
Angelo
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All means all
John 12:32 signifies that when Jesus is "lifted up" on the cross, his crucifixion will serve as God's appointed means to draw all people, regardless of their background, to a saving relationship with him by defeating Satan and offering eternal life to believers. The phrase "lifted up" refers to both his public crucifixion and his subsequent exaltation by God, symbolizing his complete victory over sin and death for the salvation of all who believe.
The word sheep does not appear in the text
Yep and Christ died for allAll means all
John 12:32 signifies that when Jesus is "lifted up" on the cross, his crucifixion will serve as God's appointed means to draw all people, regardless of their background, to a saving relationship with him by defeating Satan and offering eternal life to believers. The phrase "lifted up" refers to both his public crucifixion and his subsequent exaltation by God, symbolizing his complete victory over sin and death for the salvation of all who believe.
Isaiah 53:6 (KJV 1900) 6 All we like sheep have gone astray;We have turned every one to his own way; And the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
John 1:29 (KJV 1900) 29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:14–16 (KJV 1900) 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 4:42 (KJV 1900) 42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.
John 6:33 (KJV 1900) 33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
John 6:51 (KJV 1900) 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
Romans 5:18 (KJV 1900) 18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900) 14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
1 Timothy 2:4–6 (KJV 1900) 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
1 Timothy 4:10 (KJV 1900) 10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
Titus 2:11 (KJV 1900) 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Hebrews 2:9 (KJV 1900) 9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
1 John 2:2 (KJV 1900) 2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 John 4:14 (KJV 1900) 14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
brightfame52
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All the Sheep of Jn 10All means all
John 12:32 signifies that when Jesus is "lifted up" on the cross, his crucifixion will serve as God's appointed means to draw all people, regardless of their background, to a saving relationship with him by defeating Satan and offering eternal life to believers. The phrase "lifted up" refers to both his public crucifixion and his subsequent exaltation by God, symbolizing his complete victory over sin and death for the salvation of all who believe.
brightfame52
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It means the Sheep from Jn 10
dwight92070
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Correct but remember what Jesus said: "And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself." John 12:32
So ALL men are drawn to Jesus, not just a select few. Their response to that drawing will either save them through the new birth or doom them if they reject Him.
And how do the Father and the Son draw us? With their kindness, tolerance and patience.
Not only that, but it is the kindness of God that leads men to repentance, not a sovereign choice by God to save some and damn the rest.
Romans 2:4 "Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads to repentance?"
"I have loved you with an everlasting love; therefore I have drawn you with lovingkindness." Jeremiah 31:3
