brightfame52
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I do. Its evidence God has shown him Truth. Who cares what you state ?
No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !
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So you put Gill before God.
GallagherM
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Sure I can. I just believe.
brightfame52
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Of course not, but God gave him Truth to witness of. God has gifted certain men to be pastor teachers if you didnt know Eph 4:11
And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
For this purpose
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 ;Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Now question for you, have you ever posted commentary quotes ? Yes or no
Oh but you do.
You have ignored verse after verse while holding on to the theology of Gill.
brightfame52
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Its okay if you believe that. You have rejected the Truth any how
dwight92070
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"Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I (notice Jesus is equating Himself with God here) wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling." Matthew 23:37
Have you heard of "Irresistable Grace", one of the TULIP doctrines of Calvinism? Well, obviously Jesus did not believe in that, because He said that the people of Jerusalem, and by extension most of the Jews, were unwilling to be come to Him. This means that they had a free will.
Have you heard of "Irresistable Grace", one of the TULIP doctrines of Calvinism? Well, obviously Jesus did not believe in that, because He said that the people of Jerusalem, and by extension most of the Jews, were unwilling to be come to Him. This means that they had a free will.
brightfame52
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Coming to Christ necessitates Gods supernatural power [His Drawing] and not mans freewill so called Jn 6:44
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
The Supernatural Power is the Grace of God through the Power of the Holy Spirit which is through the New Birth ! 12
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
The Supernatural Power is the Grace of God through the Power of the Holy Spirit which is through the New Birth ! 12
The truth is found in scripture. You not I are contradicting it.
This only applies to sinners, not the innocent. When the Satanic and the elect fell and became sinners, the holy angels did not sin...they came in to Christ by their first faith and never left it. We, the sinful elect, are sheep in Christ by faith who have then gone astray into sin. We are the prodigal son who leaves the Family to go to sin city but who then, due to GOD's discipline and training in righteousness, Heb 12:5-11, RETURNS to the Shepherd of his soul, 1 Peter 2:25 For ye were as sheep going astray: but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls. Gone astray then returned denotes apostasy with repentance so I ask...WHEN were you a believer ??? who then went astray from your faith only to return to Christ later???? Especially since Peter is obviously speaking to every new Christian!
As the man said: "Most interesting..."
Drawing is by the word
John 6:45 (LEB) — 45 It is written in the prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who hears from the Father and learns comes to me.
Romans 10:17 (LEB) — 17 Consequently, faith comes by hearing, and hearing through the word about Christ.
brightfame52
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Coming to Christ necessitates Gods supernatural power [His Drawing] and not mans freewill so called Jn 6:44
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day
brightfame52
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It's by the word and power 1 Thess 1:5
For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.
Um, we are dealing with John 6:44, 45.
The drawing implies prevenient grace. The *can* implies libertarian free will. The exception implies a window of opportunity. The drawing implies a 50-50 counter draw to man to man's resistance. The rasing up implies a reward.
No one can choose whether to come to Christ without a window of opportunity and sufficient drawing against his own will. And God will raise the positive comers up at the last day.
You always leave this out
John 12:32–33 (LEB) — 32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.” 33 (Now he said this to indicate by what sort of death he was going to die.)
brightfame52
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Okay the drawing is Inward power, that's God's inward work
brightfame52
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False claims
It's the word
John 6:45 (LEB) — 45 It is written in the prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who hears from the Father and learns comes to me.
Romans 10:17 (LEB) — 17 Consequently, faith comes by hearing, and hearing through the word about Christ.
Romans 1:16 (LEB) — 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
brightfame52
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I accept that, what is your point? His Death is effective of the salvation for all the elect. If anything you don't believe that passage
